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In article <>,
says...
> Suddenly, The Other Guy sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
> > All repies so far have been incorrect. It is NOT advisable to send large
> > files by e-mail.
>
> But many individual users do not have any practical means to post things
> on a server. (Nor do they have the knowledge).

They shouldn't be on the internet then, these are the same users who
download and install Gator and all the other trash out there, who open
virus attachhments, who propagate virus hoax messages and submit their
friends' email addresses to online sites.

In short - there are far too many people using the net who haven't got a
clue. Are we responsible for them?

"Mainlander" <*@*.*> wrote in message
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> In article <>,
> says...
> > Suddenly, The Other Guy sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
> > > All repies so far have been incorrect. It is NOT advisable to send
large
> > > files by e-mail.
> >
> > But many individual users do not have any practical means to post things
> > on a server. (Nor do they have the knowledge).
>
> They shouldn't be on the internet then, these are the same users who
> download and install Gator and all the other trash out there, who open
> virus attachhments, who propagate virus hoax messages and submit their
> friends' email addresses to online sites.
>
> In short - there are far too many people using the net who haven't got a
> clue. Are we responsible for them?

Well you are more responsible than a non-user, in that you are a
stake-holder who finances the infrastructure that also benefits from the
traffic of the clueless.
Deal with it.

"Mainlander" <*@*.*> wrote in message
news:. nz...
> In article <>,
> says...
> > Suddenly, The Other Guy sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
> > > All repies so far have been incorrect. It is NOT advisable to send
large
> > > files by e-mail.
> >
> > But many individual users do not have any practical means to post things
> > on a server. (Nor do they have the knowledge).
>
> They shouldn't be on the internet then, these are the same users who
> download and install Gator and all the other trash out there, who open
> virus attachhments, who propagate virus hoax messages and submit their
> friends' email addresses to online sites.
>
> In short - there are far too many people using the net who haven't got a
> clue. Are we responsible for them?

Magazines such as NetGuide are noble examples of assisting the clueless into
keeping their machines and surfing activities clean. I know some family
friends who exemplify the paragraph above, and sometimes they ask for help,
and that's ok. But I know what you mean - sometimes they still persist in
sending / proliferating / participating in this junk, no matter how much
advice one gives. Maybe even Ad Aware / Spybot are beyond the abilities of
many Average Joes out there? I know some people whom struggle with
anti-virus programs and the notion of keeping them updated. One lady refused
to update her system, because she was afraid she might catch a virus while
it was online, downloading the updates ~ there's a lot of paranoia and
cluenessness out there, for sure )

In article <n2hub.7901$>,
says...
>
> "Mainlander" <*@*.*> wrote in message
> news:. nz...
> > In article <>,
> > says...
> > > Suddenly, The Other Guy sprang forth and uttered these pithy words:
> > > > All repies so far have been incorrect. It is NOT advisable to send
> large
> > > > files by e-mail.
> > >
> > > But many individual users do not have any practical means to post things
> > > on a server. (Nor do they have the knowledge).
> >
> > They shouldn't be on the internet then, these are the same users who
> > download and install Gator and all the other trash out there, who open
> > virus attachhments, who propagate virus hoax messages and submit their
> > friends' email addresses to online sites.
> >
> > In short - there are far too many people using the net who haven't got a
> > clue. Are we responsible for them?
>
> Magazines such as NetGuide are noble examples of assisting the clueless into
> keeping their machines and surfing activities clean. I know some family
> friends who exemplify the paragraph above, and sometimes they ask for help,
> and that's ok. But I know what you mean - sometimes they still persist in
> sending / proliferating / participating in this junk, no matter how much
> advice one gives. Maybe even Ad Aware / Spybot are beyond the abilities of
> many Average Joes out there? I know some people whom struggle with
> anti-virus programs and the notion of keeping them updated. One lady refused
> to update her system, because she was afraid she might catch a virus while
> it was online, downloading the updates ~ there's a lot of paranoia and
> cluenessness out there, for sure )

She may have got a virus if for example fileshareing was enabled on the
TCP/IP protocol. I believe this is the default under Windows. I saw a
system where a virus got in while they were on the Internet, because
Nortons kept popping up the blue screen message, it was because this
particular virus looked for open file shares and hacked itself in that
way.

Heh. Thats not paranoia and cluelessness. I was with a customer last
weekend trying to fix up his CAPI drivers and once thats done, of course
the first thing I want to do is go to windows update, then while waiting
for windows update to load, BANG, infected with MS Blaster Worm just
like that...

The ladys fears were therefore justified. I suggest she upgrade to linux.

Lebowski wrote:

> anti-virus programs and the notion of keeping them updated. One lady refused
> to update her system, because she was afraid she might catch a virus while
> it was online, downloading the updates ~ there's a lot of paranoia and
> cluenessness out there, for sure )
>
>

Kurt Häusler wrote:

> Heh. Thats not paranoia and cluelessness. I was with a customer last
> weekend trying to fix up his CAPI drivers and once thats done, of course
> the first thing I want to do is go to windows update, then while waiting
> for windows update to load, BANG, infected with MS Blaster Worm just
> like that...

Which OS? NT/2K/XP?

Well, MS Blaster was the first thing which came to mind for me as well, but
this lady has Win 98!! MSBlaster cannot infect a Win98 machine.

Linux? No, that would be completely out of the question, but she still uses
(and loves) her old Acorn - if only it could be transformed into a
netsurfing machine, she would be right at home. She is 82 years old, very
nice lady.

"Kurt Häusler" <> wrote in message
news:bpd7vf$vmv$02$...
> Heh. Thats not paranoia and cluelessness. I was with a customer last
> weekend trying to fix up his CAPI drivers and once thats done, of course
> the first thing I want to do is go to windows update, then while waiting
> for windows update to load, BANG, infected with MS Blaster Worm just
> like that...
>
> The ladys fears were therefore justified. I suggest she upgrade to linux.
>
> Lebowski wrote:
>
> > anti-virus programs and the notion of keeping them updated. One lady
refused
> > to update her system, because she was afraid she might catch a virus
while
> > it was online, downloading the updates ~ there's a lot of paranoia and
> > cluenessness out there, for sure )
> >
> >
>

T.N.O. wrote:
> Kurt Häusler wrote:
>
>> Heh. Thats not paranoia and cluelessness. I was with a customer last
>> weekend trying to fix up his CAPI drivers and once thats done, of
>> course the first thing I want to do is go to windows update, then
>> while waiting for windows update to load, BANG, infected with MS
>> Blaster Worm just like that...
>
>
> Which OS? NT/2K/XP?

XP

Kurt Häusler wrote:
>>> Heh. Thats not paranoia and cluelessness. I was with a customer last
>>> weekend trying to fix up his CAPI drivers and once thats done, of
>>> course the first thing I want to do is go to windows update, then
>>> while waiting for windows update to load, BANG, infected with MS
>>> Blaster Worm just like that...

>> Which OS? NT/2K/XP?

> XP

you mean that you didn't use the built in firewall? silly boy.

T.N.O. wrote:
> Kurt Häusler wrote:
>
>>>> Heh. Thats not paranoia and cluelessness. I was with a customer
>>>> last weekend trying to fix up his CAPI drivers and once thats done,
>>>> of course the first thing I want to do is go to windows update, then
>>>> while waiting for windows update to load, BANG, infected with MS
>>>> Blaster Worm just like that...
>
>
>>> Which OS? NT/2K/XP?
>
>
>> XP
>
>
> you mean that you didn't use the built in firewall? silly boy.

Heh that was the next step.