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I've been seeing lots of posts about braindumps on here. I work with a guy
that uses braindumps to get his IT certs. He tells me there is an obvious
advantage to them. In an industry that is already swamped with paper-certs,
it makes no sense spending time studying the real books. The only way an
employer can differentiate between someone who knows his stuff, to someone
that doesnt, is by how well they perform their job tasks and their success
at project delivery. This guy is very successful at his job. He is no fool.
The guy is a solutions architect and has degrees in engineering and
mathematics, and has many cisco and microsoft certs. He just doesnt want to
waste time. He tells me he has more meaningful things to do with his spare
time i.e. investing.

**peter's** the one who fcukin said it
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> I've been seeing lots of posts about braindumps on here. I work with
> a guy that uses braindumps to get his IT certs. He tells me there is
> an obvious advantage to them. In an industry that is already swamped
> with paper-certs, it makes no sense spending time studying the real
> books. The only way an employer can differentiate between someone who
> knows his stuff, to someone that doesnt, is by how well they perform
> their job tasks and their success at project delivery. This guy is
> very successful at his job. He is no fool. The guy is a solutions
> architect and has degrees in engineering and mathematics, and has
> many cisco and microsoft certs. He just doesnt want to waste time. He
> tells me he has more meaningful things to do with his spare time i.e.
> investing.
Br@indumps ARE bad......they contain questions that were procured illegally
from actual exams. One would need to "waste" time memorizing the questions
on the br@indumps anyways...so why not take a few legitimate practice exams
and go take the test?

If the guy was really that smart, then he would have no problem taking a
couple of practice exams (NOT br@indumps). If you already know what you're
doing, then there is no need to even study. The study guides are there for
the people that want to get started in the field.

Besides, what does he need to get certs for if he has those degrees? And why
does he need to "prove" himself to potential employers if he has degrees?
Degrees speak for themselves. Personally, I think this guy is BSing you and
everyone around you. From the sounds of it, I wouldn't doubt if he paid for
the paper degrees too.

The Microsoft NDA:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...licies/nda.asp

Non-Disclosure Agreement and General Terms of Use
For Exams Developed for the Microsoft Certified Professional Program

This exam is Microsoft confidential and is protected by trade secret law. It
is made available to you, the examinee, solely for the purpose of becoming
certified in the technical area referenced in the title of this exam. You
are expressly prohibited from disclosing, publishing, reproducing, or
transmitting this exam, in whole or in part, in any form or by any means,
verbal or written, electronic or mechanical, for any purpose, without the
prior express written permission of Microsoft Corporation.

What those a$$fsuking br@indumpers are doing is illegal. And what he is
doing is condoning illegal behavior. If he is found to have cheated on any
one exam, he will be *permanently* barred from all other MS Exams. An I
hope he does get caught.

Do *yourself* a favor and study.

--
Bigus Di©kus
--Don't feel bad. A lot of people have no talent!

"Bigus Di©kus" <BigusDi©kus@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:...
> **peter's** the one who fcukin said it
> <<-------------------------------->>
>> I've been seeing lots of posts about braindumps on here. I work with
>> a guy that uses braindumps to get his IT certs. He tells me there is
>> an obvious advantage to them. In an industry that is already swamped
>> with paper-certs, it makes no sense spending time studying the real
>> books. The only way an employer can differentiate between someone who
>> knows his stuff, to someone that doesnt, is by how well they perform
>> their job tasks and their success at project delivery. This guy is
>> very successful at his job. He is no fool. The guy is a solutions
>> architect and has degrees in engineering and mathematics, and has
>> many cisco and microsoft certs. He just doesnt want to waste time. He
>> tells me he has more meaningful things to do with his spare time i.e.
>> investing.
> Br@indumps ARE bad......they contain questions that were procured
> illegally from actual exams. One would need to "waste" time memorizing
> the questions on the br@indumps anyways...so why not take a few legitimate
> practice exams and go take the test?
>
> If the guy was really that smart, then he would have no problem taking a
> couple of practice exams (NOT br@indumps). If you already know what
> you're doing, then there is no need to even study. The study guides are
> there for the people that want to get started in the field.
>
> Besides, what does he need to get certs for if he has those degrees? And
> why does he need to "prove" himself to potential employers if he has
> degrees? Degrees speak for themselves. Personally, I think this guy is
> BSing you and everyone around you. From the sounds of it, I wouldn't
> doubt if he paid for the paper degrees too.

Yeah he uses the study guides as well. Everyone doesnt know everything. He
just tried to economise his time and thus utilises the dumps as a final
preparation to the exams. He's also doing a masters degree so he hasnt got
lots of time at hand.

> NDA

sounds boring...

peter wrote:

>
> "Bigus Di©kus" <BigusDi©kus@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:...
>> **peter's** the one who fcukin said it
>> <<-------------------------------->>
>>> I've been seeing lots of posts about braindumps on here. I work with
>>> a guy that uses braindumps to get his IT certs. He tells me there is
>>> an obvious advantage to them. In an industry that is already swamped
>>> with paper-certs, it makes no sense spending time studying the real
>>> books. The only way an employer can differentiate between someone who
>>> knows his stuff, to someone that doesnt, is by how well they perform
>>> their job tasks and their success at project delivery. This guy is
>>> very successful at his job. He is no fool. The guy is a solutions
>>> architect and has degrees in engineering and mathematics, and has
>>> many cisco and microsoft certs. He just doesnt want to waste time. He
>>> tells me he has more meaningful things to do with his spare time i.e.
>>> investing.
>> Br@indumps ARE bad......they contain questions that were procured
>> illegally from actual exams. One would need to "waste" time memorizing
>> the questions on the br@indumps anyways...so why not take a few
>> legitimate practice exams and go take the test?
>>
>> If the guy was really that smart, then he would have no problem taking a
>> couple of practice exams (NOT br@indumps). If you already know what
>> you're doing, then there is no need to even study. The study guides are
>> there for the people that want to get started in the field.
>>
>> Besides, what does he need to get certs for if he has those degrees? And
>> why does he need to "prove" himself to potential employers if he has
>> degrees? Degrees speak for themselves. Personally, I think this guy is
>> BSing you and everyone around you. From the sounds of it, I wouldn't
>> doubt if he paid for the paper degrees too.
>
> Yeah he uses the study guides as well. Everyone doesnt know everything. He
> just tried to economise his time and thus utilises the dumps as a final
> preparation to the exams. He's also doing a masters degree so he hasnt got
> lots of time at hand.
>
>> NDA
>
> sounds boring...

Legal contracts are boring as Hell until you find yourself on the wrong end
of a lawsuit for having violated one, then they get very exciting very
quickly.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

> I've been seeing lots of posts about braindumps on here. I work with a guy
> that uses braindumps to get his IT certs. He tells me there is an obvious
> advantage to them. In an industry that is already swamped with
> paper-certs, it makes no sense spending time studying the real books. The
> only way an employer can differentiate between someone who knows his
> stuff, to someone that doesnt, is by how well they perform their job tasks
> and their success at project delivery. This guy is very successful at his
> job. He is no fool. The guy is a solutions architect and has degrees in
> engineering and mathematics, and has many cisco and microsoft certs. He
> just doesnt want to waste time. He tells me he has more meaningful things
> to do with his spare time i.e. investing.

This is rationalizing. The question is not about consequenses, the question
is "are you a liar?" your friend is a liar. Don't make it complicated by
saying the others do this and that, I suspect you are not a child...

Test question:

Q: Choose the most appropriate way of living your life, all rationalizations
and other bullshit aside

a) Say whatever you think can give you short-term gain
b) Say whatever can give you long-term gain
c) Be a stand-up guy

Thor

>> I've been seeing lots of posts about braindumps on here. I work with a
>> guy that uses braindumps to get his IT certs. He tells me there is an
>> obvious advantage to them. In an industry that is already swamped with
>> paper-certs, it makes no sense spending time studying the real books. The
>> only way an employer can differentiate between someone who knows his
>> stuff, to someone that doesnt, is by how well they perform their job
>> tasks and their success at project delivery. This guy is very successful
>> at his job. He is no fool. The guy is a solutions architect and has
>> degrees in engineering and mathematics, and has many cisco and microsoft
>> certs. He just doesnt want to waste time. He tells me he has more
>> meaningful things to do with his spare time i.e. investing.
>
> This is rationalizing. The question is not about consequenses, the
> question is "are you a liar?" your friend is a liar. Don't make it
> complicated by saying the others do this and that, I suspect you are not a
> child...
>
> Test question:
>
> Q: Choose the most appropriate way of living your life, all
> rationalizations and other bullshit aside
>
> a) Say whatever you think can give you short-term gain
> b) Say whatever can give you long-term gain
> c) Be a stand-up guy
>
> Thor

Obvious. NOW.

>> I've been seeing lots of posts about braindumps on here. I work with a
>> guy that uses braindumps to get his IT certs. He tells me there is an
>> obvious advantage to them. In an industry that is already swamped with
>> paper-certs, it makes no sense spending time studying the real books. The
>> only way an employer can differentiate between someone who knows his
>> stuff, to someone that doesnt, is by how well they perform their job
>> tasks and their success at project delivery. This guy is very successful
>> at his job. He is no fool. The guy is a solutions architect and has
>> degrees in engineering and mathematics, and has many cisco and microsoft
>> certs. He just doesnt want to waste time. He tells me he has more
>> meaningful things to do with his spare time i.e. investing.
>
> This is rationalizing. The question is not about consequenses, the
> question is "are you a liar?" your friend is a liar. Don't make it
> complicated by saying the others do this and that, I suspect you are not a
> child...
>
> Test question:
>
> Q: Choose the most appropriate way of living your life, all
> rationalizations and other bullshit aside
>
> a) Say whatever you think can give you short-term gain
> b) Say whatever can give you long-term gain
> c) Be a stand-up guy

Thory, you are overgeneralizing the situation and applying it to life. The
application is towards IT and the bullshit certifications Why waste your
effort in preparing for these certifications if 1) you believe them to be
meaningless, 2) it is a requirement by your employer, and 3) you have better
things to do with your life.

> Thory, you are overgeneralizing the situation and applying it to life. The
> application is towards IT and the bullshit certifications Why waste
> your effort in preparing for these certifications if 1) you believe them
> to be meaningless, 2) it is a requirement by your employer, and 3) you
> have better things to do with your life.

I think people are the sum of their decisions.
Still, I can appreciate the problem: The certs are too hard to measure the
skills needed to do the jobs for which the titles are needed. If a person
tells me he has all MS certifications, it tells me nothing.
If a person tells me he is MCSE and proves it with actual knowledge from
real world (no courses, no books, no mentoring, just experience). I will be
amazed, I think it is very rare.

Myself, I have no certs at all. I have tried the new TS- and PRO- exams with
_just experience_ and almost passed a PRO- exam (678?), TS-exams were much
worse (500, 583 I think). I have a lot of experience with this stuff
(Yukon/Whidbey), but I haven't touched every single consept of what the
exams covers. Still, you can take two weeks of training and pass a TS- exam.
There is something seriously wrong with this, I think; the solution however
is hard to find.

I would rather fail exams than use the braindumps. Braindumps will pollute
your character, I think.

>> Test question:
>>
>> Q: Choose the most appropriate way of living your life, all
>> rationalizations and other bullshit aside
>>
>> a) Say whatever you think can give you short-term gain
>> b) Say whatever can give you long-term gain
>> c) Be a stand-up guy
>
> Thory, you are overgeneralizing the situation and applying it to life. The
> application is towards IT and the bullshit certifications Why waste
> your effort in preparing for these certifications if 1) you believe them
> to be meaningless, 2) it is a requirement by your employer, and 3) you
> have better things to do with your life.

So your answer to my question (and your life) would be a) or b)?
I think braindumps implies a). Not that this is wrong for everybody.

"Gorm Braarvig" <> wrote in message
news:...
>>> Test question:
>>>
>>> Q: Choose the most appropriate way of living your life, all
>>> rationalizations and other bullshit aside
>>>
>>> a) Say whatever you think can give you short-term gain
>>> b) Say whatever can give you long-term gain
>>> c) Be a stand-up guy
>>
>> Thory, you are overgeneralizing the situation and applying it to life.
>> The application is towards IT and the bullshit certifications Why
>> waste your effort in preparing for these certifications if 1) you believe
>> them to be meaningless, 2) it is a requirement by your employer, and 3)
>> you have better things to do with your life.
>
> So your answer to my question (and your life) would be a) or b)?
> I think braindumps implies a). Not that this is wrong for everybody.
>

I'd like to say 'C', but it's really 'all the above', well... more like 5%A
+ 5%B + 90%C ... or there abouts. Its a function of situation.