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Well as I said all along and this confirms it.


" Red Hat's chief executive has said that Linux needs to mature further before
home users will get a positive experience from the operating system, saying
they should choose Windows instead.

Linux is seen by Microsoft as its most dangerous competitor for desktop
operating systems, and after a number of high-profile cases where government
departments have switched from Windows to Linux-based systems, the OS has been
making some progress. However, Red Hat said that the hype around desktop Linux
is still mostly unfounded at the moment.

Matthew Szulik, chief executive of Linux vendor Red Hat, said on Monday that
although Linux is capable of exceeding expectations for corporate users, home
users should stick with Windows: "I would say that for the consumer market
place, Windows probably continues to be the right product line," he said. "I
would argue that from the device-driver standpoint and perhaps some of the
other traditional functionality, for that classic consumer purchaser, it is my
view that (Linux) technology needs to mature a little bit more."

Greg Parker wrote:

> Well as I said all along and this confirms it.
>
>
> " Red Hat's chief executive has said that Linux needs to mature further
> before home users will get a positive experience from the operating
> system, saying they should choose Windows instead.
>

.... but haven't they already done that?
Don't home users already choose Windows instead?

Bye RedHat!

On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:50:22 -0600, Greg Parker wrote:

>
> Well as I said all along and this confirms it.
>
>
> " Red Hat's chief executive has said that Linux needs to mature further
> before home users will get a positive experience from the operating
> system, saying they should choose Windows instead.

This is not news. Linux Torvalds himself said that although the kernel
is ready, he didn't think a sufficient number of Linux applications
would be finished-enough to make Linux ready for the consumer market for
another two years. However there's a difference between not being ready
for home users, and not being able to replace Windows for a great many
home users if they happen to have a geek handy. For example, I've done
quite a few installations of Linux and a small set of applications for
people who just wanted a reliable, no-hassle machine for web browsing,
email, and simple home-office chores, and have neither the need nor the
desire to be installing new software toys and twiddling with the OS all
the time. Such systems have proven to be significantly more reliable and
much less hassle for both myself and the end-users than similar systems
I've put together for people who wanted the same thing accomplished with
Windows applications.

Nontechnical home users will come last. Businesses are arriving before
consumers because they have a narrower range of software needs, they
have the money to fund development of high-office tools and the
financial motivation to make that investment, they have their own
tech-support staff so they can better live with software that needs a
little technical expertise to install and maintain, and businesses who
purchase large numbers of machines are in a far better position than
individual consumers to persuade name-brand manufacturers to sell them
Windows-less computers at a good price.

Linux's entry into the home market will come when people start wanting
to use the same software at home that they use at the office.

"techie" <> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:50:22 -0600, Greg Parker wrote:
>
> >
> > Well as I said all along and this confirms it.
> >
> >
> > " Red Hat's chief executive has said that Linux needs to mature further
> > before home users will get a positive experience from the operating
> > system, saying they should choose Windows instead.
>
> This is not news. Linux Torvalds himself said that although the kernel
> is ready, he didn't think a sufficient number of Linux applications
> would be finished-enough to make Linux ready for the consumer market for
> another two years. However there's a difference between not being ready
> for home users, and not being able to replace Windows for a great many
> home users if they happen to have a geek handy. For example, I've done
> quite a few installations of Linux and a small set of applications for
> people who just wanted a reliable, no-hassle machine for web browsing,
> email, and simple home-office chores, and have neither the need nor the
> desire to be installing new software toys and twiddling with the OS all
> the time. Such systems have proven to be significantly more reliable and
> much less hassle for both myself and the end-users than similar systems
> I've put together for people who wanted the same thing accomplished with
> Windows applications.
>
> Nontechnical home users will come last. Businesses are arriving before
> consumers because they have a narrower range of software needs, they
> have the money to fund development of high-office tools and the
> financial motivation to make that investment, they have their own
> tech-support staff so they can better live with software that needs a
> little technical expertise to install and maintain, and businesses who
> purchase large numbers of machines are in a far better position than
> individual consumers to persuade name-brand manufacturers to sell them
> Windows-less computers at a good price.
>
> Linux's entry into the home market will come when people start wanting
> to use the same software at home that they use at the office.



This is a far cry from what was being spouted 6 months ago where Linux was
taking over windows and Linux is the only OS you ever need and Linux can do
100x more than windows 1000x faster and.......................

I went there..... I'll never go back.....

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:34:02 +1300, cowboyz wrote:

> This is a far cry from what was being spouted 6 months ago where Linux was
> taking over windows and Linux is the only OS you ever need and Linux can
> do 100x more than windows 1000x faster and.......................

Not really, hardly anyone has changed what's being 'spouted'.

Linus is still saying the same thing,
Lennier is still saying the same thing,
Woger is still saying the same thing,
etc etc

You're just mixing up who said what

The only reason that RedHat has disparaged Linux for home users is that
they aren't trying to sell them anything anymore. It sounded like it was
aimed to hurt other distros, which wasn't that smart a move IMO.

Cheers
Anton

"cowboyz" <> wrote in message
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>
> "techie" <> wrote in message
> newsan.2003.11.06.01.26.23.211365.2769@nospam321 .invalid...
> > On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 16:50:22 -0600, Greg Parker wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Well as I said all along and this confirms it.
> > >
> > >
> > > " Red Hat's chief executive has said that Linux needs to mature
further
> > > before home users will get a positive experience from the operating
> > > system, saying they should choose Windows instead.
> >
> > This is not news. Linux Torvalds himself said that although the kernel
> > is ready, he didn't think a sufficient number of Linux applications
> > would be finished-enough to make Linux ready for the consumer market for
> > another two years. However there's a difference between not being ready
> > for home users, and not being able to replace Windows for a great many
> > home users if they happen to have a geek handy. For example, I've done
> > quite a few installations of Linux and a small set of applications for
> > people who just wanted a reliable, no-hassle machine for web browsing,
> > email, and simple home-office chores, and have neither the need nor the
> > desire to be installing new software toys and twiddling with the OS all
> > the time. Such systems have proven to be significantly more reliable and
> > much less hassle for both myself and the end-users than similar systems
> > I've put together for people who wanted the same thing accomplished with
> > Windows applications.
> >
> > Nontechnical home users will come last. Businesses are arriving before
> > consumers because they have a narrower range of software needs, they
> > have the money to fund development of high-office tools and the
> > financial motivation to make that investment, they have their own
> > tech-support staff so they can better live with software that needs a
> > little technical expertise to install and maintain, and businesses who
> > purchase large numbers of machines are in a far better position than
> > individual consumers to persuade name-brand manufacturers to sell them
> > Windows-less computers at a good price.
> >
> > Linux's entry into the home market will come when people start wanting
> > to use the same software at home that they use at the office.
>
>
>
> This is a far cry from what was being spouted 6 months ago where Linux was
> taking over windows and Linux is the only OS you ever need and Linux can
do
> 100x more than windows 1000x faster and.......................
>
> I went there..... I'll never go back.....
>
>
>
But would you buy a TiVO ?

harry wrote:

>>
>>
>> This is a far cry from what was being spouted 6 months ago where
>> Linux was taking over windows and Linux is the only OS you ever need
>> and Linux can do 100x more than windows 1000x faster
>> and.......................
>>
>> I went there..... I'll never go back.....
>>
>>
>>
> But would you buy a TiVO ?

err -- probably not. why?

"cowboyz" <> wrote in message
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> harry wrote:
>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is a far cry from what was being spouted 6 months ago where
> >> Linux was taking over windows and Linux is the only OS you ever need
> >> and Linux can do 100x more than windows 1000x faster
> >> and.......................
> >>
> >> I went there..... I'll never go back.....
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > But would you buy a TiVO ?
>
> err -- probably not. why?
>
>
In the civilized world it is synonymous with Personal Video Recorder or PVR,
which is the next appliance boom to happen after the DVD player. TiVO is
built with Linux.
Linux isn't a substitute for Windows, as an office appliance desktop thingy,
but an increasing number of PVR and STB appliances, routers, access points
etc are using Linux as their operating systems.
I'm currently building a system based on mythtv on Linux on PXE players for
video. I'm quite happy to use Windows for what it does best, and acknowledge
what it does best, but I've got 6-8 PCs on my network at any one time, doing
what my hifi and ht stuff used to do, running a fax and print server. Most
of them would be a bit off the pace as state of the art gamers boxes, but
they are good for what they do. I use Debian for this stuff, and its like
having all the software for a huge number of projects on tap.
Windows has great fonts, its slick and shiny and easy, but it doesn't fill
all the niches.
The best of both worlds is a good way to go.

>

harry wrote:

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>>
>>
>
> But would you buy a TiVO ?
>
>
Think I'll stick with FreeVo

harry wrote:
> but I've got 6-8 PCs on my network at any one time, doing
> what my hifi and ht stuff used to do, running a fax and print server.

Is this economic? I mean 6-8 PC's or an actual sound system etc...