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T.N.O.
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      10-10-2003
"~misfit~" wrote
> > there is one.


> LOL. It doesn't always work though. I have a few games that ran fine under
> 98SE that won't go with XP, even using 'compatability mode'. Random

crashes.

which ones, I'll see if I know any work arounds.


 
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      10-10-2003
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:44:06 -0700, techie wrote:

> No, it would be Microsoft's fault for failing to maintain compatability
> with their older API's.
>
> Here I am running a *free* OS that can run binaries compiled for
> entirely different operating systems - and in many cases even
> closed-source Windows - and yet Microsoft can't even maintain code
> compatability from one version of their own expensive OS to the next on
> the very same hardware.
>
> Absolutely pitiful.


Ignoring API vs ABI or binary format confusion for the moment...

I won't comment on FreeBSD (I plead ignorance there), but both Linux and
OpenBSD have changed x86 binary formats in recent years. This doesn't
include ABI changes between gcc 2.x and 3.x, Linux changes from libc to
glibc etc.

Things aren't quite as rosy as you make out in the open source world,
there have been transitions that weren't exactly seamless.

I take the opposite view towards MS. IMO they have tried too hard to
maintain backwards compatibility and dragged too much DOS and Win9x legacy
stuff into NT.

Dropping legacy cruft is a good thing (when done properly).

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      10-10-2003
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:23:38 -0700, T.N.O. wrote:

> "Richard" wrote
>> But why should they? If their software does the job, why should they
>> have to change it just because some greedy wankers in Redmond decide
>> that they're going to ditch support for their own b0rken code and force
>> everyone to do the new-os-new-hardware-new-everything dance all over
>> again?

>
> Who said that the OS code is broken, could it be that the software
> simply wasnt designed to work on XP, wouldn't that make it the software
> vendors fault?


No, it would be Microsoft's fault for failing to maintain compatability
with their older API's.

Here I am running a *free* OS that can run binaries compiled for
entirely different operating systems - and in many cases even
closed-source Windows - and yet Microsoft can't even maintain code
compatability from one version of their own expensive OS to the next on
the very same hardware.

Absolutely pitiful.


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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 22:38:23 -0500, harry wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:16:45 +1300, Eagle Eye wrote:
>
>
>> Don't tell me it's Linux - I would never have guessed.


"Eagle Eye", huh?

> Don't tell me, you are a moron that can't read a signature that says
> FreeBSD in both ASCII art and a URL.


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> ~misfit~ scribbled:

>> "Eagle Eye" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:bm4cua$imura$(E-Mail Removed)-berlin.de...
>> I had a look at that program recently. Don't like it personally.
>> However I came across Print Shop Pro 5.01 by Jasc. It's on the
>> October Aussie "PC User" magazine's CD and totally free. I also
>> updated it on the website to
>> 5.03. You need to register it by November 10 though. Surprisingly
>> they only want an email address and name, no address, age, etc data.
>> The only problem is that it's only for Win 95/98, as it's an old
>> program from 1999. I also tried the trial version of PSP 8 and I
>> will definitely upgrade if I get Win XP in the near future. They are
>> offering users a cheaper upgrade when I looked at the information on
>> the CD, however the Jasc website also has slashed the price lately.


> That's Jasc *paint* shop pro, not *print* shop pro.


> I didn't realise it was 95/98 only.
> I was going to install it on my XP
> machine this week, that's why I have the disk on-hand.


I have just installed it on my P4 running XP, it works fine. I'm
updating from 4.12 which I have been using since 1995 and also have
installed on the P4/XP. I use Paintshop Pro as my basic graphics editor
to do all the basic image/photo editing....
For advanced editing I use Photo Impact 5, another free install from APA
magazine, and Microsoft Image composer....

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      10-10-2003
> techie scribbled:
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 12:03:35 -0700, Eagle Eye wrote:


>> The only problem is that it's only for Win 95/98, as it's an old
>> program from 1999.


> Heh. Sounds like MS needs to add a Windows 98 compatability layer to
> Windows XP.


They have; They also included a Win95 compatability 'layer'....
Paintshop Pro (V4.12 and this version) doesn't need to run through any
compatability layer to run on XP....

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      10-10-2003
> ~misfit~ scribbled:

>> "T.N.O." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:bm4m3a$irf9g$(E-Mail Removed)-berlin.de...
>> "techie" wrote


>>> Heh. Sounds like MS needs to add a Windows 98 compatability layer to
>>> Windows XP.


>> there is one.


> LOL. It doesn't always work though. I have a few games that ran fine
> under 98SE that won't go with XP, even using 'compatability mode'.
> Random crashes.


Trying to access hardware directly which is not allowed in XP?

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      10-10-2003
~misfit~ wrote:
> "T.N.O." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:bm4m3a$irf9g$(E-Mail Removed)-berlin.de...
>
>>"techie" wrote
>>
>>>Heh. Sounds like MS needs to add a Windows 98 compatability layer to
>>>Windows XP.

>>
>>there is one.

>
>
> LOL. It doesn't always work though. I have a few games that ran fine under
> 98SE that won't go with XP, even using 'compatability mode'. Random crashes.
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I have two peaces of softwhere both not games one is a art programe runs
on 95 98 havent tested 3.11 but the box indicates it will wont run on NT
2k XP at all memory probs and cant find its own dll's and the other was
a Virtul CD rom drive (mutipule) only works on 95 both were good and
useful still use the art packge on a older machine given up on the cd one.

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      10-10-2003
Peter wrote:

> this quote is from me here of Fri, 10 Oct 2003 06:21 :
>>
>> If you want to save/edit GIF files you must download an add-in that is
>> seperate to the GIMP installation. This is because GIF is a patented
>> file format and GIMP does not have a liscense.

>
> I thought that the gif patent had expired.
> After google search, I see that was only in USA, and we have to wait until
> mid 2004 before it runs out in Europe / Canada.
> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/6/19/35919/4079
>
> Does anyone know the status in NZ?


As far as I know they never held a patent in NZ for GIF (aka LZW
compression).

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Kristofer Clayton
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      10-10-2003
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 07:13:02 +1300, RecylerMan
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>a Virtul CD rom drive (mutipule) only works on 95 both were good and
>useful still use the art packge on a older machine given up on the cd one.


No loss, for a Virtual CD ROM program you can't go past Daemon Tools.


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