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"Lennier" <> wrote in message
newsan.2003.08.18.08.40.26.537332@TRACKER...
> Well, that would be the case if you call Mozilla, Evolution, Pan, the
> Gimp, Open Office, Smbd, ftpd, Sendmail, Fetchmail, Iptables, Apache, to
> be "very few decent apps" - and that covers most of what people use their
> computers for.
>
Iptables isn't an application

"Lennier" <> wrote in message
newsan.2003.08.18.10.10.58.438582@TRACKER...
>
> LOL - Sendmail, Fetchmail, Samba, and Apache are only the most commonly
> used servers on the internet today. Micro$oft does not have any software
> which can come even close to the performance and stability of those
> programmes.
>
Sendmail and Apache are available for Windows
Qmail is a better choice than Sendmail
Fetchmail isn't a server

Samba is totally dependent on Microsoft networking, there is nothing about
the performance and stability of Microsoft networking that doesn't affect
Samba.

Arguing with woger is pointless

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:50:31 +1200, "Howard Johnson" <> wrote:

>
>"Lennier" <> wrote in message
>newsan.2003.08.18.10.10.58.438582@TRACKER...
>>
>> LOL - Sendmail, Fetchmail, Samba, and Apache are only the most commonly
>> used servers on the internet today. Micro$oft does not have any software
>> which can come even close to the performance and stability of those
>> programmes.
>>
>Sendmail and Apache are available for Windows
>Qmail is a better choice than Sendmail
>Fetchmail isn't a server
>
>Samba is totally dependent on Microsoft networking, there is nothing about
>the performance and stability of Microsoft networking that doesn't affect
>Samba.
>
>Arguing with woger is pointless
>
>



Yes teenagers just don't have a clue..

"Uncle StoatWarbler" <alanb+> wrote in message
news.. .
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:21:54 +1200, Howard Johnson wrote:
>
> > But PCs are available with Windows pre installed, so you don't have to
pay
> > for an operating system.
>
> preinstalled is not free installed.
>
> The OEM cost is about $120, which is in the price you paid somewhere.
But not in Thailand

"Uncle StoatWarbler" <alanb+> wrote in message
news.. .
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:50:31 +1200, Howard Johnson wrote:
>
>
> > Samba is totally dependent on Microsoft networking, there is nothing
about
> > the performance and stability of Microsoft networking that doesn't
affect
> > Samba.
>
> Check out www.samba.org - 3.0rc is out and it's a complete NT server
> replacement right down to active directory, etc.
>
>
Thats great, I'll use it.
But its a server to serve windows workstations, making ridiculous claims
about performance and stability in isolation is complete nonsense

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:21:54 +1200, Howard Johnson wrote:

> But PCs are available with Windows pre installed, so you don't have to pay
> for an operating system.

preinstalled is not free installed.

The OEM cost is about $120, which is in the price you paid somewhere.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:50:31 +1200, Howard Johnson wrote:


> Samba is totally dependent on Microsoft networking, there is nothing about
> the performance and stability of Microsoft networking that doesn't affect
> Samba.

Check out www.samba.org - 3.0rc is out and it's a complete NT server
replacement right down to active directory, etc.

"Howard Johnson" <> wrote:

>
>"m00se" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> Lennier wrote:
S for it.
>>
>But PCs are available with Windows pre installed, so you don't have to pay
>for an operating system.
>Is $US3 worth claiming as a refund if you don't use it ?
>
>

"But PCs are available with Windows pre installed, so you don't have
to pay >for an operating system."

Where have you been?? Having Windows pre installed costs up to
NZ$300 on top of the hardware..

"Mutley" <> wrote in message
news: s.com...
> "Howard Johnson" <> wrote:
>
> >
> >"m00se" <> wrote in message
> >news:...
> >> Lennier wrote:
> S for it.
> >>
> >But PCs are available with Windows pre installed, so you don't have to
pay
> >for an operating system.
> >Is $US3 worth claiming as a refund if you don't use it ?
> >
> >
>
> "But PCs are available with Windows pre installed, so you don't have
> to pay >for an operating system."
>
> Where have you been?? Having Windows pre installed costs up to
> NZ$300 on top of the hardware..

Not in any of the shop windows in this town.
I'm sure the licence costs the manufacturer $X and they recover it in the
total price.
Tell me what refund I will be offered for giving it back?

"Lennier" wrote
> > So again... US$3 is too much for an OS?
>
> Absolutely! RedHat 9 can be downloaded for nothing more than the cost of
> the time connected.

On dialup, $24 a month, so ~80c a day.
3-5 days downloading it, thats more than $3, may as well pirate windows,
cheaper