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Peter Murray
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      07-29-2003

"Who is this" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> I give up, spam has finally made email unuseable.
>
> I have informed my ISP that I will no longer be reading any email from
> the pop servers, ie close the account.
>
> I have informed my work management that I will no longer read any email
> sent to me at work either as the spam there is even more prolific.
>
> To any ISPs out their, if you are able to offer a web only (no email,
> news, gnutella, etc) account cheaper than xtra offers their full account
> (on jetstart) leave a note here as I will happily switch to save the $$.
>
> I believe it will be more profitable not to offer email now:
> 1. no mail server
> 2. no backup mail server
> 3. reduced traffic (more than 50% of email is now spam)
> 4. no spam filtering
> 5. A reduction in staff (no email server to maintain)
> 6. A reduction is backup facilities (no email to backup)
>
> The alternative is if an ISP will set up mail service based on a
> whitelist where they bounce all email from people not on the list, that
> list should be editable via a secure web page by the customer. this must
> surely be easier as maintaining black lists is time consuming and labour
> intensive as the spammers just keep faking domains etc to get through
> the filters. It is now most likely quicker to filter mail in based on a
> customers whitelist than to try the loosing battle of keeping spam out.


Whitelists add their own problems:
1. What stops a spammer impersonating someone on the whitelist by faking the
headers?
2. How do new non-spammers who genuinely want to contact you get onto the
list?
3. What happens when people on the whitelist change their email address?

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Peter Murray
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      07-29-2003
"Peter Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> Whitelists add their own problems:
> 1. What stops a spammer impersonating someone on the whitelist by
> faking the headers?


And what percentage of spam fits this category? (Make sure that your own
address is not on the whitelist, that IS commonly used by spammers)

> 2. How do new non-spammers who genuinely want to contact you get onto
> the list?


Good point. Especially difficult if they are unaware of you whitelist
system and just assume that you would have received the message.

> 3. What happens when people on the whitelist change their email
> address?


Hopefully they send you a message before the change advising about the
impending change. If not then it may take a few messages before they
realise that you are not receiving them.



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      07-29-2003
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
"Peter Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Whitelists add their own problems:
> 1. What stops a spammer impersonating someone on the whitelist by faking the
> headers?


How will the know who is on the list ?

> 2. How do new non-spammers who genuinely want to contact you get onto the
> list?


Phone, fax, snail mail, web based form fill in page

> 3. What happens when people on the whitelist change their email address?


They should let everyone know beforehand or have an overlap period to
catch the few they did not inform.
 
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      07-29-2003
In article <bg5slu$4m4$(E-Mail Removed)>, MarkH <(E-Mail Removed)>
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> "Peter Murray" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:(E-Mail Removed):
>
> > 2. How do new non-spammers who genuinely want to contact you get onto
> > the list?

>
> Good point. Especially difficult if they are unaware of you whitelist
> system and just assume that you would have received the message.


Not the message is bounced back to them with a note to contact you via
another means (snail mail, phone NOT fax as there are now fax spammers
too), or a secure web form fill in, ie they have a URL which is valid
for 7 days 1 off use so that they can put in a quick message with who
they are in real life and then then email address, this will be sent to
the white list owner who can choose to add/or not the person.
 
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      07-29-2003
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
"Uncle StoatWarbler" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 13:26:23 +0000, MarkH wrote:
>
> >> Whitelists add their own problems:
> >> 1. What stops a spammer impersonating someone on the whitelist by faking
> >> the headers?

> >
> > And what percentage of spam fits this category? (Make sure that your own
> > address is not on the whitelist, that IS commonly used by spammers)

>
> small now, but spoofing attacks are already happening and will increase.


Rule To you/From you + external IP = deny
 
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