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<> wrote in message
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> I'll take scratch over rot any day. I can avoid scratches, and if they
> happen it's my own damn fault. If a company thinks that rot is
> acceptable because it means consumers will buy another disc, screw
> that! Tell me what to avoid and I will!

What are you babbling about?

"Jordan" <> wrote in message
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> On Dec 28, 2:11 pm, "Bells" <ilovetosp...@spam.com> wrote:
>
>> They all scratch equally.
>> Blu Ray disks have a rot problem though that is becoming common on DVD's
>> I have 2 that have gone bad.
>
> It doesn't look like traditional rot because the spots are all on the
> plastic layer, even on the hub where there is no aluminum layer. Rot
> (on laserdisc) was a failure in the aluminum, not the plastic.
>
> p.s. Blu-Ray discs are harder to scratch because they have an anti-
> scratch coating. This is needed because the data is recorded much
> closer to the surface of the disc.
>

Which makes beta Ray more prone to damage and rot. A good scratch will kill
a Beta Ray whil a DVD will play just fine.

The Beta Ray movies I rent from BB are just as scratched the **** up as any
other disk. At least 1/2 I rent don't play.
Extra coating is good for kids I guess..still does not help much if at all.

nothing beats just plain old common sense. none of my DVD's/Games or
practically anything are scratched.

"Jordan" <> wrote in message
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> On Dec 28, 1:48 pm, "Shonk" <a...@a.ca> wrote:
>
>> why are people so negative about blu-ray
>
> Because Sony shouldn't be allowed to control the entire distribution
> chain from the time a movie is made through it being sold to the
> consumer.
>
>> 50gig a disk

>
Toshiba has a 51GB disk approved by all members including Disney. By the
time it arrives later this year it will be a finished and fully tested spec
unlike Beta Ray.

note that MOST Beta Ray movies are still on 30GB disks.

In fact most games especially from EA that are on the PS3 are just regular
old...DVD's.

Another thing, Warner Brothers masters ALL it's new HD stuff in HD-DVD
first, then copies it to Blu ray.
So if your watching a Blu ..Beta Ray WB movie, it's just a copy of an
HD-DVD.

In article <Kaedj.19109$>, Shonk <> wrote:
>why are people so negative about blu-ray
>
>I love my 360 and have nearly 50k gamer score
>
>But blu-ray is clearly the better format
>
>50gig a disk
>and they dont get scratches on them
>unlike my hd-dvd's
>
>
>I own 6 hd-dvd's and 22 blu-rays
>
>im gona stick to what works for me my ps3 for films
>and my 360 for games
>
>
>The biggest seller for me is no scratches on the disks everytime you look at
>them
>take a look at your hd-dvd's or a game they scratch like mad
>
>not one of my blu-rays has one single mark on it

There were some recent posts that indicate the X-Box is prone
to scratching disks. From your post it seems you use that platform
for the HD-DVDs

Bill

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Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com

"Jordan" <> wrote in message
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> On Dec 28, 1:48 pm, "Shonk" <a...@a.ca> wrote:
>
>> why are people so negative about blu-ray
>
> Because Sony shouldn't be allowed to control the entire distribution
> chain from the time a movie is made through it being sold to the
> consumer.

Utter hogwash. Sony is the only studio producing movies? Even if they
were, what possible difference could it make? Would you be so concerned if
Warner had a storage media as well?


> If your HD-DVDs are getting scratched then one of 2 things is
> happening:
>
> 1) You're an ape and shouldn't be allowed to own optical media OR...
>
> 2) You're making a common mistake, placing a disc in the case and
> spinning it on the spindle so the label is right side up. When you do
> this any dust or debris trapped between the disc and the case
> scratches it. It happens with any disc you'd do this with.

> I have around 500 DVDs and a couple hundred disc based games and have
> never had a problem. If all your discs are getting scratched except
> the ones with an anti-scratch coating then you need to look at how
> you're handling the discs.

Bully for you that you don't have problems with scratches. Others of us
actually have kids and accidents happen (I've had multiple DVDs ruined by
scratches). I've tought my kids how they are SUPPOSED to handle DVDs, that
doesn't mean they always do it, or that they don't leave them out of the
case, or they don't get put face down on the counter, etc. Heck my wife
still does this after yelling at her dozens of times so I can't expect much
more from my kids. I'm not always standing over their shoulder when they
handle them, so it's definitely a BENEFIT to have a more scratch resistant
media (just because YOU don't need that benefit, doesn't mean it's not a
benefit).

"dork" <> wrote in message
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> Which makes beta Ray more prone to damage and rot.

utter nonsense

yer thats from people moveing the machine when the disk is spinning
i dont mean that sort of mark

just general light scratches



"Bill Vermillion" <> wrote in message news:...
> In article <Kaedj.19109$>, Shonk <>
> wrote:
>>why are people so negative about blu-ray
>>
>>I love my 360 and have nearly 50k gamer score
>>
>>But blu-ray is clearly the better format
>>
>>50gig a disk
>>and they dont get scratches on them
>>unlike my hd-dvd's
>>
>>
>>I own 6 hd-dvd's and 22 blu-rays
>>
>>im gona stick to what works for me my ps3 for films
>>and my 360 for games
>>
>>
>>The biggest seller for me is no scratches on the disks everytime you look
>>at
>>them
>>take a look at your hd-dvd's or a game they scratch like mad
>>
>>not one of my blu-rays has one single mark on it
>
> There were some recent posts that indicate the X-Box is prone
> to scratching disks. From your post it seems you use that platform
> for the HD-DVDs
>
> Bill
>
> --
> Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com

"Luke Duke" <> once tried to test me. I ate their liver
with some fava beans and a nice chianti

> In an interesting development, Amazon.com's current (as of this
> writing) list of best selling DVD/Blu-Ray/HD-DVD sales charts shows
> that four of the five Harry Potter films in the HD-DVD format are the
> top four movie disk sellers on the online retailer. This is the first
> time that a high-def movie disk has reached number on on Amazon.com's
> movie sales charts (the Blu-Ray version of 300 peaked at number two
> earlier this year). This massive increase was likely due to Amazon's
> current buy one-get one free deal on selected HD-DVD releases. Other
> HD-DVD movie in Amazon.com's top 25 current are Serenity (14), Hot
> Fuzz (20) Children of Men (22) and Planet Earth (23). The highest
> Blu-Ray release on Amazon.com at the moment is Planet Earth (34).
>
> Note Beta-Ray had just as many BOGO and 3 for 1 sales..etc as HD-DVD
> thoughout the year.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd
>
>

What *******s are you spreading, you leg humping gimp. Beta-ray my
arse, how do you intend to be taken as impartial eh?

I take it you've waited months for this brief windows of success, it
took long enough for Blade Runner Blu-ray to drop, which was a very
large pre-order and was top of the charts for a while.

HD DVD fans are like Mac users, they feel so insecure about their wrong
purchasing choice that they need to take swipes at the opposing
technology. I'm still looking at shelf space in the HMV, and blu-
ray/HDDVD split is still 3:1 on their shelves, Blockbuster still refuse
to waste their time stocking HDDVD, yes here you are with your small
willy trying to convice us that your puney format is still in the race.

Try it again next year when PS3 are outselling 360s, then we'll see...

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"Dan" <> once tried to test me. I ate their liver with
some fava beans and a nice chianti

> So what is your point you own a HD DVD and you want it to win?
> This is the first proof that you found that it might.

No it isn't, it's taken 3 months for the Blade Runner Blu-ray to drop down
the charts, this dickless gimp has had to wait all year for this one blip
in the charts to cross post this **** all over usenet.

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Oh people, know that you have committed great sins.
If you ask me what proof I have for these words,
I say it is because I am the punishment of God.
If you had not committed great sins,
God would not have sent a punishment like me upon you.
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In article <Xns9A15B4635E2ABWeLovePOD@195.188.240.200>,
says...
> No it isn't, it's taken 3 months for the Blade Runner Blu-ray to drop down
> the charts, this dickless gimp has had to wait all year for this one blip
> in the charts to cross post this **** all over usenet.
>
>
Yet you reply with such vitriol? For ****s sake, why don't you try
caring about something that is actually worth while. Saving sea turtles
is a good one to start with but really who wins the HD war? Who gives a
****! The number of HD titles sold across both camps is still massively
below normal SD DVD's. The number of people who own a HD TV is still
tiny compared those with a good old 480p CRT. If you really need to
direct your anger anywhere on the matter, point it at Sony & Toshiba and
their HD camps for not agreeing on a standard.