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David Ellis
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      02-18-2006
I get email from several sites that Thunderbird continually opens the
yellow bar saying; "Thunderbird thinks this is Spam." How do I get rid
of that for the email I want to keep?

I click the Not Spam button but that doesn't help a bit. I tried putting
the senders addresses in my Address Book and that does not help.

What do I do now?

TIA
 
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Moz Champion (Dan)
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      02-19-2006
David Ellis wrote:
> I get email from several sites that Thunderbird continually opens the
> yellow bar saying; "Thunderbird thinks this is Spam." How do I get rid
> of that for the email I want to keep?
>
> I click the Not Spam button but that doesn't help a bit. I tried
> putting the senders addresses in my Address Book and that does not help.
>
> What do I do now?
>
> TIA

What exactly do you mean when you say clicking Not Spam doesnt help a bit?
The message should not be marked as junk anymore... does this occur?

If you are talking about newsletters or some such, then you may wish to
use a filter to move the messages out of your inbox (filters come before
JMC)
 
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David Ellis
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      02-20-2006
Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> David Ellis wrote:
>> I get email from several sites that Thunderbird continually opens the
>> yellow bar saying; "Thunderbird thinks this is Spam." How do I get rid
>> of that for the email I want to keep?
>>
>> I click the Not Spam button but that doesn't help a bit. I tried
>> putting the senders addresses in my Address Book and that does not help.
>>
>> What do I do now?
>>
>> TIA

> What exactly do you mean when you say clicking Not Spam doesnt help a bit?
> The message should not be marked as junk anymore... does this occur?
>
> If you are talking about newsletters or some such, then you may wish to
> use a filter to move the messages out of your inbox (filters come before
> JMC)


When I click on the Not Spam button the message can be stored, etc.
However, the next instance of an email from the same address is marked
as possible Spam. These are newsletters but I would rather move them
manually to be sure I do not miss valuable information rather than use a
filter or such.

Any Ideas?
 
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Moz Champion (Dan)
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      02-20-2006
David Ellis wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>> David Ellis wrote:
>>> I get email from several sites that Thunderbird continually opens
>>> the yellow bar saying; "Thunderbird thinks this is Spam." How do I
>>> get rid of that for the email I want to keep?
>>>
>>> I click the Not Spam button but that doesn't help a bit. I tried
>>> putting the senders addresses in my Address Book and that does not
>>> help.
>>>
>>> What do I do now?
>>>
>>> TIA

>> What exactly do you mean when you say clicking Not Spam doesnt help a
>> bit?
>> The message should not be marked as junk anymore... does this occur?
>>
>> If you are talking about newsletters or some such, then you may wish
>> to use a filter to move the messages out of your inbox (filters come
>> before JMC)

>
> When I click on the Not Spam button the message can be stored, etc.
> However, the next instance of an email from the same address is marked
> as possible Spam. These are newsletters but I would rather move them
> manually to be sure I do not miss valuable information rather than use
> a filter or such.
>
> Any Ideas?

Yes, use a filter to move the message prior to JMC seeing it.
For example, for my newsletters, which I consider valuable and would
rather not miss, I filter them to a 'Publications' folder, so that JMC
doesnt see them. All my 'valuable' newsletters are then available in
the folder.

 
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gwtc
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      02-20-2006
Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:

> David Ellis wrote:
>
>>Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>>
>>>David Ellis wrote:
>>>
>>>>I get email from several sites that Thunderbird continually opens
>>>>the yellow bar saying; "Thunderbird thinks this is Spam." How do I
>>>>get rid of that for the email I want to keep?
>>>>
>>>>I click the Not Spam button but that doesn't help a bit. I tried
>>>>putting the senders addresses in my Address Book and that does not
>>>>help.
>>>>
>>>>What do I do now?
>>>>
>>>>TIA
>>>
>>>What exactly do you mean when you say clicking Not Spam doesnt help a
>>>bit?
>>>The message should not be marked as junk anymore... does this occur?
>>>
>>>If you are talking about newsletters or some such, then you may wish
>>>to use a filter to move the messages out of your inbox (filters come
>>>before JMC)

>>
>>When I click on the Not Spam button the message can be stored, etc.
>>However, the next instance of an email from the same address is marked
>>as possible Spam. These are newsletters but I would rather move them
>>manually to be sure I do not miss valuable information rather than use
>>a filter or such.
>>
>>Any Ideas?

>
> Yes, use a filter to move the message prior to JMC seeing it.
> For example, for my newsletters, which I consider valuable and would
> rather not miss, I filter them to a 'Publications' folder, so that JMC
> doesnt see them. All my 'valuable' newsletters are then available in
> the folder.
>

it should be noted that Message Filters (under Tools) take priority
over JMC filters.
 
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John Thompson
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      02-21-2006
On 2006-02-20, David Ellis <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> When I click on the Not Spam button the message can be stored, etc.
> However, the next instance of an email from the same address is marked
> as possible Spam. These are newsletters but I would rather move them
> manually to be sure I do not miss valuable information rather than use a
> filter or such.


If these come from specific, recurring addresses, create a filter rule
based on these addesses to unmark them as Junk and move them to an
appropriate folder automatically.

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John ((E-Mail Removed))
 
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David Ellis
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      02-22-2006
John Thompson wrote:
> On 2006-02-20, David Ellis <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> When I click on the Not Spam button the message can be stored, etc.
>> However, the next instance of an email from the same address is marked
>> as possible Spam. These are newsletters but I would rather move them
>> manually to be sure I do not miss valuable information rather than use a
>> filter or such.

>
> If these come from specific, recurring addresses, create a filter rule
> based on these addesses to unmark them as Junk and move them to an
> appropriate folder automatically.
>

Did that and the email is moved but when I open any of the newsletters
the Scam notice comes up. How do I set up a trusted site or email
address(es) for this?

The newsletters provide a lot of information I use daily.

TIA
 
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Moz Champion (Dan)
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      02-23-2006
David Ellis wrote:
> John Thompson wrote:
>> On 2006-02-20, David Ellis <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> When I click on the Not Spam button the message can be stored, etc.
>>> However, the next instance of an email from the same address is
>>> marked as possible Spam. These are newsletters but I would rather
>>> move them manually to be sure I do not miss valuable information
>>> rather than use a filter or such.

>>
>> If these come from specific, recurring addresses, create a filter
>> rule based on these addesses to unmark them as Junk and move them to
>> an appropriate folder automatically.
>>

> Did that and the email is moved but when I open any of the newsletters
> the Scam notice comes up. How do I set up a trusted site or email
> address(es) for this?
>
> The newsletters provide a lot of information I use daily.
>
> TIA

Do you mean SCAM or SPAM notice?
The Scam detection is new in Thunderbird, and for the moment is
untrainable. You have the choice of leaving Scam detection on (and
living with what it detects) or turning it off.
[Thunderbird-->Preferences]*-->Privacy [E-mail Scams]

As the preference says, it detects common tricks that may be used to
deceive you, but unfortuately, these 'tricks' are also used in
legitimate mail as well.
If it bothers you that much, then turn it off. After all, we lived
without it for years <g>

*varies by OS
windows
[Tools-->Options]
linux
[Edit-->Preferences]
mac
[Thunderbird-->Preferences]
 
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David Ellis
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      02-25-2006
Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
> David Ellis wrote:
>> John Thompson wrote:
>>> On 2006-02-20, David Ellis <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I click on the Not Spam button the message can be stored, etc.
>>>> However, the next instance of an email from the same address is
>>>> marked as possible Spam. These are newsletters but I would rather
>>>> move them manually to be sure I do not miss valuable information
>>>> rather than use a filter or such.
>>>
>>> If these come from specific, recurring addresses, create a filter
>>> rule based on these addesses to unmark them as Junk and move them to
>>> an appropriate folder automatically.
>>>

>> Did that and the email is moved but when I open any of the newsletters
>> the Scam notice comes up. How do I set up a trusted site or email
>> address(es) for this?
>>
>> The newsletters provide a lot of information I use daily.
>>
>> TIA

> Do you mean SCAM or SPAM notice?
> The Scam detection is new in Thunderbird, and for the moment is
> untrainable. You have the choice of leaving Scam detection on (and
> living with what it detects) or turning it off.
> [Thunderbird-->Preferences]*-->Privacy [E-mail Scams]
>
> As the preference says, it detects common tricks that may be used to
> deceive you, but unfortuately, these 'tricks' are also used in
> legitimate mail as well. If it bothers you that much, then turn it off.
> After all, we lived without it for years <g>
>
> *varies by OS
> windows
> [Tools-->Options]
> linux
> [Edit-->Preferences]
> mac
> [Thunderbird-->Preferences]

Thanks, Dan. Some days I wonder about my ability to think. I did mean
the "Scam" button not spam. The spam issue is under control here. I hope
the folks working this product get the scam notice into a trainable mode
soon. I turned mine off, it was too intrusive and way too many false
positives.
 
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Moz Champion (Dan)
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      02-25-2006
David Ellis wrote:
> Moz Champion (Dan) wrote:
>> David Ellis wrote:
>>> John Thompson wrote:
>>>> On 2006-02-20, David Ellis <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When I click on the Not Spam button the message can be stored,
>>>>> etc. However, the next instance of an email from the same address
>>>>> is marked as possible Spam. These are newsletters but I would
>>>>> rather move them manually to be sure I do not miss valuable
>>>>> information rather than use a filter or such.
>>>>
>>>> If these come from specific, recurring addresses, create a filter
>>>> rule based on these addesses to unmark them as Junk and move them
>>>> to an appropriate folder automatically.
>>>>
>>> Did that and the email is moved but when I open any of the
>>> newsletters the Scam notice comes up. How do I set up a trusted site
>>> or email address(es) for this?
>>>
>>> The newsletters provide a lot of information I use daily.
>>>
>>> TIA

>> Do you mean SCAM or SPAM notice?
>> The Scam detection is new in Thunderbird, and for the moment is
>> untrainable. You have the choice of leaving Scam detection on (and
>> living with what it detects) or turning it off.
>> [Thunderbird-->Preferences]*-->Privacy [E-mail Scams]
>>
>> As the preference says, it detects common tricks that may be used to
>> deceive you, but unfortuately, these 'tricks' are also used in
>> legitimate mail as well. If it bothers you that much, then turn it
>> off. After all, we lived without it for years <g>
>>
>> *varies by OS
>> windows
>> [Tools-->Options]
>> linux
>> [Edit-->Preferences]
>> mac
>> [Thunderbird-->Preferences]

> Thanks, Dan. Some days I wonder about my ability to think. I did mean
> the "Scam" button not spam. The spam issue is under control here. I
> hope the folks working this product get the scam notice into a
> trainable mode soon. I turned mine off, it was too intrusive and way
> too many false positives.

I see the feature as a boon to 'cautioning' users, and alerting them to
messages that may be phishing attempts. Its an attempt to provide some
manner of 'protection' against phishing. Admittedly its not perfect, and
does have a lot of false positives, but I havent noticed it missing any
real phishing ones either (caveat: I havent kept a close watch on it)

I dont know if it will become trainable
 
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