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Xilinx's ISE 9.2 now supports Windows Vista (32-bit only.)

Do other tools like (Mentor Modelsim and Xilinx XPS/EDK) run under Windows
Vista?

I bought a laptop with Microsoft Vista Home,
installed Modelsim PE 6.3a , and ran without
problem.

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Regards,
John Retta
Owner and Designer
Retta Technical Consulting Inc.

email :
web : www.rtc-inc.com


"Helpme" <> wrote in message
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> Xilinx's ISE 9.2 now supports Windows Vista (32-bit only.)
>
> Do other tools like (Mentor Modelsim and Xilinx XPS/EDK) run under Windows
> Vista?
>

On Sep 22, 10:49 pm, "John Retta" <jre...@rtc-inc.com> wrote:
> I bought a laptop with Microsoft Vista Home,
> installed Modelsim PE 6.3a , and ran without
> problem.
In your experience would you recommend running EDA Tools under Vista?
Or would you recommend XP/Linux?
Regards
Prince
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>
> --
> Regards,
> John Retta
> Owner and Designer
> Retta Technical Consulting Inc.
>
> email : jre...@rtc-inc.com
> web : www.rtc-inc.com
>
> "Helpme" <hel...@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>
> news:eUbJi.28321$ t...
>
> > Xilinx's ISE 9.2 now supports Windows Vista (32-bit only.)
>
> > Do other tools like (Mentor Modelsim and Xilinx XPS/EDK) run under Windows
> > Vista?

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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:51:43 -0700,
<> wrote:
> On Sep 22, 10:49 pm, "John Retta" <jre...@rtc-inc.com> wrote:
>> I bought a laptop with Microsoft Vista Home,
>> installed Modelsim PE 6.3a , and ran without
>> problem.
> In your experience would you recommend running EDA Tools under Vista?
> Or would you recommend XP/Linux?

Personally, my order of preference is Solaris, Linux, HP-UX, Windows.

You can't have it all. Solaris SPARC has poor price/performance these
days. Solaris x86/64 isn't very well supported. Linux, well, google for
'OOM kiler' and decide for yourself if you prefer unconditional
stability or a bit of speed. Does anyone use Windows for serious
simulation? (I ask that as a developer that's worked on field-solver
based parasitic extraction and mixed signal simulation).

A bientot
Paul
(Not speaking for Mentor Graphics)

From an engineering point of view having tools which run
under Linux is preferred. I am a command line, shell person ...
not a Windows drag-drop ... double click kind of user.

However, two factors have been influential. It has been only
in the last two years (I think this is correct), that the Xilinx tool
set have run natively under Linux, and the price difference between
Modelsim PE vs LE was almost 3:1 when I had it quoted a
few years ago. Kicker was that there was no performance
increase in LE .... just the ability to run under Linux.

Anyway, as a one person show, keeping tool cost low
is a premium.

Anyway, I bought a laptop 4 weeks ago ... it had Vista
Home edition on it ... and I thought I would give it a try.
Keep installing EDA tools, and utilities until I found a show stopper.
Well I surprisingly did not. Modelsim PE and webpack, as well
as Quartus ran without problem. In terms of performance
improvement of XP vs Vista, hard to tell since I did not
benchmark same hw with different OS, but I suspect there
is none
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Regards,
John Retta
Owner and Designer
Retta Technical Consulting Inc.
Colorado Based Xilinx Consultant

email :
web : www.rtc-inc.com


"Paul Floyd" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
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> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.lang.vhdl.]
> On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:51:43 -0700,
> <> wrote:
>> On Sep 22, 10:49 pm, "John Retta" <jre...@rtc-inc.com> wrote:
>>> I bought a laptop with Microsoft Vista Home,
>>> installed Modelsim PE 6.3a , and ran without
>>> problem.
>> In your experience would you recommend running EDA Tools under Vista?
>> Or would you recommend XP/Linux?
>
> Personally, my order of preference is Solaris, Linux, HP-UX, Windows.
>
> You can't have it all. Solaris SPARC has poor price/performance these
> days. Solaris x86/64 isn't very well supported. Linux, well, google for
> 'OOM kiler' and decide for yourself if you prefer unconditional
> stability or a bit of speed. Does anyone use Windows for serious
> simulation? (I ask that as a developer that's worked on field-solver
> based parasitic extraction and mixed signal simulation).
>
> A bientot
> Paul
> (Not speaking for Mentor Graphics)

"John Retta" <> writes:

> From an engineering point of view having tools which run
> under Linux is preferred. I am a command line, shell person ...
> not a Windows drag-drop ... double click kind of user.
>
> However, two factors have been influential. It has been only
> in the last two years (I think this is correct), that the Xilinx tool
> set have run natively under Linux, and the price difference between
> Modelsim PE vs LE was almost 3:1 when I had it quoted a
> few years ago. Kicker was that there was no performance
> increase in LE .... just the ability to run under Linux.

I was quoted a 1:2.75 ratio between PE and SE last year - SE is
available under both Linux and XP.

However, the SE version includes a number of options that must be
licensed separately with PE.


Kai
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Kai Harrekilde-Petersen <khp(at)harrekilde(dot)dk>

John Retta wrote:

> It has been only
> in the last two years (I think this is correct), that the Xilinx tool
> set have run natively under Linux, and the price difference between
> Modelsim PE vs LE was almost 3:1 when I had it quoted a
> few years ago. Kicker was that there was no performance
> increase in LE .... just the ability to run under Linux.

For what it's worth,
I have found that running SE on Linux
is significantly faster than using the
same SE license for a windows session on the
same machine.

-- Mike Treseler

On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:25:00 -0700, Mike Treseler
<> wrote:

>John Retta wrote:
>
>> It has been only
>> in the last two years (I think this is correct), that the Xilinx tool
>> set have run natively under Linux, and the price difference between
>> Modelsim PE vs LE was almost 3:1 when I had it quoted a
>> few years ago. Kicker was that there was no performance
>> increase in LE .... just the ability to run under Linux.
>
>For what it's worth,
>I have found that running SE on Linux
>is significantly faster than using the
>same SE license for a windows session on the
>same machine.

Hi Mike,

Would you care to speculate why?

Thanks,
Allan

Allan Herriman wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Would you care to speculate why?

Pure speculation:
Perhaps because modelsim was first developed
on unix systems and so has tighter memory interfaces
on linux than on a windows port.

-- Mike Treseler

"Mike Treseler" <> wrote in message
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> John Retta wrote:
>
> For what it's worth,
> I have found that running SE on Linux
> is significantly faster than using the
> same SE license for a windows session on the
> same machine.
>
> -- Mike Treseler

I can confirm Mike's finding, I have done the same test and found that SE
under Linux (64bits Gentoo) was about 5% faster than SE under Win2K. I used
my AES core as a testcase. As usual YMMV and "lies, damn lies and
benchmarks" applies. What is definitely true is that vcom is much faster on
Linux than on Windows which I believe is due to the caching filesystem on
Linux whereas Windows uses write-through?

Hans
www.ht-lab.com