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Jeff Strickland
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      09-02-2007
I selected the Linksys Wireless-N PCI Adaptor. It is an 802.11n device. The
thing that I _think_ makes it work well is the antenna; it looks like a
fighter-ship from a StarWars movie. It is not mounted to the back of the PC,
it has a 2 meter (6ft) lead that allows it to be placed high above the
machine where the line-of-sight to the router is less obstructed. Of course,
the radio frequency is better too. (I gotta back up on the radio frequency,
it is a 2.4 GHz, but I'm not sure what the other adaptors use.)

The only problem I ran into was that the drivers included do not support
Vista, so I had to go to another machine to get the drivers. This was easy
for me, but for those with only one machine this can be a problem. If you
only have one machine, and it's a Vista machine, then take your 1.44 floppy
with you to your favorite store to buy the adaptor. Download the Vista
drivers while at the store and store them on the floppy (or flash drive) --
I only suggest the floppy to give an idea of how small the driver files are,
I have no illusion that one might actually still have floppy disks laying
around.

As for my particular hardware set up, I have the router provided by Verizon
that supports the FiOS system. This router is 802.11(b or g, but not n).
What this means is that the .11n adaptors are not named properly in the
router -- they appear as "new host (n)" where n is a number. Other than
this, I see no problems. I am having network (workgroup) issues, but I think
they are from incompatabilities between XP and Vista. I have XP Home, XP
Pro, and Vista Home Premium. I'm having problems sharing my printers across
all of these platforms, and I am having a problem with the Vista machine
connecting to the workgroup. This is an odd problem though, I can connect to
the Vista machine's printer from some of the other machines but not all, and
from the Vista machine, I can't connect to any printer. And, I have one
machine (XP Home) that is hard wired to the FiOS system, and none of the
wireless machines can see it, but it can see all of the wireless machines.

I don't completely understand that which I know, and I am pretty sure I
mucked things up trying to share my resources throughout the house. I now
have failed attempts at making workgroups appear on some machines that I
can't seem ot get rid of. I have never made a network before, and had it
running pretty well for a day or two then my router started giving me fits.
I convinced Verizon that they should bring me a new router, and now I can't
get my network running. The common thread among the problems I have is that
none of the wireless machines can see the machine that is hard wired. (by
"see", I mean that the name of the hardwired machine appears on the list of
Network Places, but the printer is not available to them. Actually, the
machine is blocked to the wireless machines. I could be having a Sharing
Issue that I can't find ...)

This is one of those things that they have classes at the local community
college for ...










"Jeff Strickland" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I have two computers, one is a PC and the other is a laptop. The PC has a
>PCI bus wireless adaptor from D-Link, the laptop has an unknown wireless
>device built in.
>
> When sitting side by side, the laptop connects to my wireless router at
> something on the order of 90%, the PC connects to the same router at
> something approaching 30%. The laptop is connected with "excellent" signal
> strength, the PC connects with "very weak". When the PC connects _really
> well_, the signal strength is reported as "good".
>
> I'm guessing that the wireless adaptor in the PC is crappy. I think I paid
> about $30ish for it. I want to get a good wireless adaptor for the PC, any
> suggestions as to good ones, and the expected price range I should be
> looking at?
>
> Any suggestions as to adaptors to stay away from? (I place my D-Link Gold
> on this list, by the way ... )
>
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>
>
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jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk
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      09-02-2007
On Sep 1, 5:50 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Excuse my ignorance ...
>
> Are you saying that there are wireless that looks (for lack of a better
> description) like a flash drive, that simply plugs into a USB port?
>
> These work better than PCI cards?
>
> I don't want to pretend that money is no object, because it is. But, I'm
> willing to pay for a product that actually works. Since my kid's laptop
> works in the same environment that the desktop machine does not work, I have
> to believe there is something I can do to the desktop to make it work.
>


I've always found PCI Cards work better. Because USB ones tend not to
have an antenna.

But perhaps there are a minority of really good USB Wireless adaptors.
Nevertheless, you'd find it easier to find a good PCI card.

There are some USB wireless ones with an antenna, they may be worth a
look.. And maybe the ones this person suggests.

You may be able to replace the antenna on some PCI Cards. I've heard
there are some good " 7db antennas ", but i'm not sure what PCI Card
would take it.

You may also have a router where you can add or replace the
antenna(s), with one of those / those. But I don't know what routers!

Maybe worth contacting Buffalow or Hawking or something, i think
they're the people that make the powerful antennas.



 
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Mountain Mike^^
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      09-03-2007

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> On Sep 1, 5:50 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I've always found PCI Cards work better. Because USB ones tend not to
> have an antenna.
>


the problem is that any antenna is only as good as it's cable, and they have
notorious line loss (in inches). Even high dollar sat type dishes have this
problem. With a USB, ou can attach a USB extension cable, and have no line
loss, and move it around where ever. This is not just my opinion, it's
shared by the ones that install and manage these networks.

My best range ever, is just about any USB on my new "power case". It's a
computer case with the USB slots right on the top of the box, under a flip
lid in the front. This gets it away from all the RTF stuff immenating from
all the PC parts inside. I get an easy 100 yds with no antenna and fences
and trees in the way. A pci card will show " no signal" in the same
invironment. I learned all this from full time Rv'ers that use hot spots at
the camp grounds, BTW. You can increase the range easily, too. Just put the
USB inside a noodle strainer, attach a USB extension, and tape it to a broom
handle. One mile is not that un heard of in this config.

Another thing I like is you can swap them out with ease (to test them), and
they are muich less expensive. YMMV


 
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- Bobb -
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      09-03-2007
>> On Sep 1, 5:50 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> I've always found PCI Cards work better. Because USB ones tend not to
>> have an antenna.
>>

>

I bought a Dlink USB wireless b/g nic a few years ago at CompUSA - works
fine. I gave that old laptop/nic to my brother. He uses it at his house
and RIGHT behind his house are the main power transmission lines for the
entire area.( No AM radio reception near there) I doubted it would work
at all yet he gets excellent connection to his wireless router in the
basement with no antenna.
On that model you can plug it right into laptop OR it also came with a ~6
foot extension cable that I sometimes used when in hotels. The antenna
cable plugs into USB port and the dlink then plugs into the "stand" at the
far end of the antenna. Never a problem. I paid about $40 for it.

 
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jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk
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      09-03-2007
On Sep 3, 7:39 am, "Mountain Mike^^" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > On Sep 1, 5:50 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > I've always found PCI Cards work better. Because USB ones tend not to
> > have an antenna.

>
> the problem is that any antenna is only as good as it's cable, and they have
> notorious line loss (in inches). Even high dollar sat type dishes have this
> problem. With a USB, ou can attach a USB extension cable, and have no line
> loss, and move it around where ever. This is not just my opinion, it's
> shared by the ones that install and manage these networks.
>


Well, you can attach a 30M USB booster / active usb cable but that's
expensive, and it defeats the purpose of wireless. Some may put the
USB wireless adaptor on a small cable, just so they can orient it.

Are you speaking highly of usb wireless adaptors with an - internal
antenna - i.e. it doesn't have an external antenna that can be
oriented, and if you want to do that then you have to use a cable -
small usb cable.

My experience is that these that just use internal antennas are
rubbish!

> My best range ever, is just about any USB on my new "power case". It's a
> computer case with the USB slots right on the top of the box, under a flip
> lid in the front. This gets it away from all the RTF stuff immenating from
> all the PC parts inside. I get an easy 100 yds with no antenna and fences
> and trees in the way. A pci card will show " no signal" in the same
> invironment. I learned all this from full time Rv'ers that use hot spots at
> the camp grounds, BTW. You can increase the range easily, too. Just put the
> USB inside a noodle strainer, attach a USB extension, and tape it to a broom
> handle. One mile is not that un heard of in this config.
>
> Another thing I like is you can swap them out with ease (to test them), and
> they are muich less expensive. YMMV


Well, i may give it a try some time. I actually don't use wireless
internet, or mobile phones. Radiation! My experience has just been
setting it up for other people.

But I may try out your thing - on a wireless usb key. I saw it
mentioned by a guy posting as seaweedsteve . He mentioned

"
'USB cookware' idea.. Google it
and he said it uses a "commonly availible parabolic reflector (wok,
chinese fry basket, etc) and it's supposed to increase gain.
"
around may 4 2007, in alt.internet.wireless


I do have radiation concerns(i'm not a scientist, so can't justify it
scientifically). It'd only be as a one-off.



 
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Mountain Mike^^
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      09-03-2007

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> On Sep 3, 7:39 am, "Mountain Mike^^" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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> I do have radiation concerns(i'm not a scientist, so can't justify it
> scientifically). It'd only be as a one-off.
>
>


If you have a cordless phone, it's the same freq range and power. The FCC
limits these devices so it's not a health issue. However, a cell phone just
may have these problems long term.


 
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jameshanley39@yahoo.co.uk
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      09-04-2007
On Sep 3, 5:40 pm, "Mountain Mike^^" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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> > On Sep 3, 7:39 am, "Mountain Mike^^" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

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> > I do have radiation concerns(i'm not a scientist, so can't justify it
> > scientifically). It'd only be as a one-off.

>
> If you have a cordless phone, it's the same freq range and power. The FCC
> limits these devices so it's not a health issue. However, a cell phone just
> may have these problems long term.


FCC haven't tested your product with signal 'amplified' with a -
potentially massive - 'parabolic reflector' thing. Didn't you or
somebody mention something about a 1 mile range. That isn't the
product the FCC tested. (and that's if you trust the FCC)




 
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Mountain Mike^^
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      09-05-2007

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> FCC haven't tested your product with signal 'amplified' with a -
> potentially massive - 'parabolic reflector' thing. Didn't you or
> somebody mention something about a 1 mile range. That isn't the
> product the FCC tested. (and that's if you trust the FCC)
>
>


Yes, it's the same signal, and NOT apmplified. It's only *aimed* like a
flashlight. The range is achieved by critical aiming methods and converting
the omni signal to a focused one. It's still less radiation than your
cordless phone. No worries. the record for this hardware is over 130 KM. A
guy in Peru or somewhere.........And NO boost n signal, just proper aiming
and focusing. do a google search.


 
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