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In article <46d82a63$0$28831$>, Muze Gruppes
<> wrote:

> apparently this applies only to tracks from EMI records?? Ugh...

Well, EMI was the first to make it happen, but Apple is supposed to
have had a lot of cooperation from smaller labels, and reports interest
from some other majors, too.

I haven't bought anything of those higher bitrates yet.

Muze Gruppes <> wrote:

>I signed up for the itunes service today and bought 2 tracks. In the
>signup process they said the music was 256kbps VBR .AAC tracks. Instead
>I got 2 .M4P files that foobar2000 cannot play but Quicktime can (only
>it seems) Is there a way/progranm to change these files to .aac or .mp3
>Hell even .wma! That's the last time I but music from apple...

I collect DeDRM programs, just in case I have a need.

I have this one listed as a DRM remover for iTunes
http://www.yamipod.com/main/modules/home/
--
A Good Wife
http://www.jonholato.com/2007/08/31/a-good-wife/

"Mitch" <> wrote in message
news:310820071748248028%...
> In article <>, Smirnoff
> <> wrote:
>
>> I'm not the OP but found your answer very informative, thanks for
>> that.
>> I notice that you can use the custom settings in Importing to select
>> 256kbps. There are also other options to choose (VBR, quality, normal
>> or
>> joint stereo etc). What are the best/realistic settings for these
>> options?
> That's quite subjective, but my suggestion would be to consider where
> you are going to play it. If you're talking about a portable device,
> external noise is the bigger problem, and smaller file size is a
> benefit. If you play largely at home, as I usually do, the opposites
> are true.
> I usually use AAC or MP3 at 256, but I also make duplicates for stuff
> that I will use on a portable (like audiobooks) I encode with MP3 at
> just 64 bits.
>
> The "joint stereo' function is supposed to take advantage of identical
> portions of two stereo tracks to improve how the differences are
> encoded. It is supposed to be more effective for lower bit rates. I
> have never checked what kinds of devices know how to deal with it, so
> I
> largely ignore it and use Normal Stereo (one channel for L, one for
> R).
>
>> Also, I notice that you refer to DRM (Digital Rights Management, if I
>> recall correctly), which I believe restricts your ability to
>> copy/play
>> files in some way. I cannot see an option to remove this, is there
>> one?
>
> DRM is about protecting the publisher's property, yes. It is supposed
> to discourage uploading files en masse or even make it impossible for
> a
> recipient to use the files. In practice, it's a flawed system, but the
> most urgent complaints seem to be from people who insist they have a
> right to copy and distribute anything they wish to anyone.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, Apple's FairPlay system is very fair. It
> applies only to tracks you buy from iTunes Store.
> If you buy a track, you can play it on up to five devices (iPods or
> computers) that you authorize.
> If you buy a whole album, you can burn that to CD up to 7 times.
> If you burn to a regular audio CD, or convert to another format, you
> have removed any DRM present.
> Note that the above concessions were argued specifically between Jobs
> and the labels -- they are not at Apple's discretion alone, and the
> labels have made noise both ways since that time.
> (DRM is not supposed to do anything to affect the sound quality, but
> recent developments suggest that is the next major tactic from some
> labels.)
>
> Apple has recently introduced an option sell tracks from some labels
> with no DRM at all, and higher quality, for a higher price. I've read
> several articles praising this, and one that (in a haphazard
> comparison) said he didn't hear any difference.
>
> In any case, every buyer always has all the same options as ever -- to
> buy music on discs. But since some labels have been using DRM there,
> the issue of how you are allowed to use what you pay for is still
> worth
> being fought. (As far as I'm concerned, buying it on CD shouldn't mean
> you can't make copies for another kind of device.)

Thanks for the detailed info.
I haven't actually converted any tracks yet but have now set importing
to MP3, 256kbps, VBR, Normal Stereo.
At least I know I already have it set up correctly should I wish to
convert.
Thanks agin.

thanatoid wrote:
> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
> news:46d82572$0$11002$:
>
>> thanatoid wrote:
>>> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
>>> news:46d75c24$0$31902$:
>>>
>>>> I signed up for the itunes service today and bought 2
>>>> tracks. In the signup process they said the music was
>>>> 256kbps VBR .AAC tracks. Instead I got 2 .M4P files that
>>>> foobar2000 cannot play but Quicktime can (only it seems)
>>>> Is there a way/progranm to change these files to .aac or
>>>> .mp3 Hell even .wma! That's the last time I but music
>>>> from apple...
>>> You're a regular Usenet user and you PAID to join iTunes?
>>> WHAT is your problem? Need a clue or something?
>>>
>>> Use the Usenet while we still have it, dude.
>>>
>>> As for mp4, there are plugins for the countless audio
>>> converters that will convert this sort of new format to
>>> anything you want. I don't know about the DRM part because
>>> I don't use Vista and I like the Usenet, so can't help you
>>> there.
>>>
>> Uh, normally I use soulseek or even emusic.com (cheap and
>> non-DRM) APPLE said that they were going non-DRM and I
>> could not find these 2 tracks on Soulseek or emusic.com so
>> itunes it turned out was the last source to acquiring these
>> 2 songs. And LIMEWIRE sucks monkey balls so don't even get
>> me started there.
>>
>> So no I don't need a clue. Apparently you did so I gave you
>> some.
>
> (Laughter break.)
>
> Maybe you should check on the difference between internet and
> Usenet. You might even find out what www stands for!
>
> And yes, SOULseek (not that I will bother ever visiting)
> definitely sounds like the place for some CTI music... SIGH.
>
> Here's some clues, Oh Ignorant One (wrote it all out complete
> but then decided it was time to get your brain some
> exercise...):
>
> binaries.sounds gothic-industrial binsearch REQ: vinden
>
> SOME of this is totally basic but at least one is HIGHER
> KNOWLEDGE so be careful. I am not responsible.
>
> Feel free to thank me anytime.
>
> As for hymn, why don't you just hire someone to do *everything*
> for you, so you won't have to bother even reading a help file?
> Awwww, life is SOOO hard, I know.
>
Yes darlin' I know the difference between USENET and The internet...

But I have to admit that for my A.D.D. I have no patience for some of
the rather complex faq sheets out there... (my fault but w/e... not
everyone was born with a 200+ IQ like you so sue me...)

But from what I have gathered, it seems as though the amount of time
bothered creating an album out of binary posts seems more trouble than
just DLing from a service, which is why I just used itunes, but live and
learn (and I won't be using itunes again!). The great thing about
emusic.com in case anyone else is searching any Chris & Cosey/CTI is
they have their entire catalog (except for a few tidbits like the ones I
got on itunes, but then those were Mortal Loom feat CnC)

Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
news:46d968ae$0$18920$:

> thanatoid wrote:
>> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
>> news:46d82572$0$11002$:
>>
>>> thanatoid wrote:
>>>> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
>>>> news:46d75c24$0$31902$:
>>>>
>>>>> I signed up for the itunes service today and bought 2
>>>>> tracks. In the signup process they said the music was
>>>>> 256kbps VBR .AAC tracks. Instead I got 2 .M4P files
>>>>> that foobar2000 cannot play but Quicktime can (only it
>>>>> seems) Is there a way/progranm to change these files to
>>>>> .aac or .mp3 Hell even .wma! That's the last time I but
>>>>> music from apple...
>>>> You're a regular Usenet user and you PAID to join
>>>> iTunes? WHAT is your problem? Need a clue or something?
>>>>
>>>> Use the Usenet while we still have it, dude.
>>>>
>>>> As for mp4, there are plugins for the countless audio
>>>> converters that will convert this sort of new format to
>>>> anything you want. I don't know about the DRM part
>>>> because I don't use Vista and I like the Usenet, so
>>>> can't help you there.
>>>>
>>> Uh, normally I use soulseek or even emusic.com (cheap and
>>> non-DRM) APPLE said that they were going non-DRM and I
>>> could not find these 2 tracks on Soulseek or emusic.com
>>> so itunes it turned out was the last source to acquiring
>>> these 2 songs. And LIMEWIRE sucks monkey balls so don't
>>> even get me started there.
>>>
>>> So no I don't need a clue. Apparently you did so I gave
>>> you some.
>>
>> (Laughter break.)
>>
>> Maybe you should check on the difference between internet
>> and Usenet. You might even find out what www stands for!
>>
>> And yes, SOULseek (not that I will bother ever visiting)
>> definitely sounds like the place for some CTI music...
>> SIGH.
>>
>> Here's some clues, Oh Ignorant One (wrote it all out
>> complete but then decided it was time to get your brain
>> some exercise...):
>>
>> binaries.sounds gothic-industrial binsearch REQ: vinden
>>
>> SOME of this is totally basic but at least one is HIGHER
>> KNOWLEDGE so be careful. I am not responsible.
>>
>> Feel free to thank me anytime.
>>
>> As for hymn, why don't you just hire someone to do
>> *everything* for you, so you won't have to bother even
>> reading a help file? Awwww, life is SOOO hard, I know.
>>
> Yes darlin' I know the difference between USENET and The
> internet...
>
> But I have to admit that for my A.D.D. I have no patience
> for some of the rather complex faq sheets out there... (my
> fault but w/e... not everyone was born with a 200+ IQ like
> you so sue me...)

It's only 134.

> But from what I have gathered, it seems as though the
> amount of time bothered creating an album out of binary
> posts seems more trouble than just DLing from a service,
> which is why I just used itunes, but live and learn (and I
> won't be using itunes again!). The great thing about
> emusic.com in case anyone else is searching any Chris &
> Cosey/CTI is they have their entire catalog (except for a
> few tidbits like the ones I got on itunes, but then those
> were Mortal Loom feat CnC)

I don't know what's more annoying, natural ignorance of a
seemingly intelligent person, or that person insisting on
continuing to wallow in that extreme ignorance. The paragraph
above confirms your total cluelessness.

Whatever, darling. It's your life.

--
"This is not nuclear. This is just a test."
- illyria

thanatoid wrote:
> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
> news:46d968ae$0$18920$:
>
>> thanatoid wrote:
>>> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
>>> news:46d82572$0$11002$:
>>>
>>>> thanatoid wrote:
>>>>> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
>>>>> news:46d75c24$0$31902$:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I signed up for the itunes service today and bought 2
>>>>>> tracks. In the signup process they said the music was
>>>>>> 256kbps VBR .AAC tracks. Instead I got 2 .M4P files
>>>>>> that foobar2000 cannot play but Quicktime can (only it
>>>>>> seems) Is there a way/progranm to change these files to
>>>>>> .aac or .mp3 Hell even .wma! That's the last time I but
>>>>>> music from apple...
>>>>> You're a regular Usenet user and you PAID to join
>>>>> iTunes? WHAT is your problem? Need a clue or something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Use the Usenet while we still have it, dude.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for mp4, there are plugins for the countless audio
>>>>> converters that will convert this sort of new format to
>>>>> anything you want. I don't know about the DRM part
>>>>> because I don't use Vista and I like the Usenet, so
>>>>> can't help you there.
>>>>>
>>>> Uh, normally I use soulseek or even emusic.com (cheap and
>>>> non-DRM) APPLE said that they were going non-DRM and I
>>>> could not find these 2 tracks on Soulseek or emusic.com
>>>> so itunes it turned out was the last source to acquiring
>>>> these 2 songs. And LIMEWIRE sucks monkey balls so don't
>>>> even get me started there.
>>>>
>>>> So no I don't need a clue. Apparently you did so I gave
>>>> you some.
>>> (Laughter break.)
>>>
>>> Maybe you should check on the difference between internet
>>> and Usenet. You might even find out what www stands for!
>>>
>>> And yes, SOULseek (not that I will bother ever visiting)
>>> definitely sounds like the place for some CTI music...
>>> SIGH.
>>>
>>> Here's some clues, Oh Ignorant One (wrote it all out
>>> complete but then decided it was time to get your brain
>>> some exercise...):
>>>
>>> binaries.sounds gothic-industrial binsearch REQ: vinden
>>>
>>> SOME of this is totally basic but at least one is HIGHER
>>> KNOWLEDGE so be careful. I am not responsible.
>>>
>>> Feel free to thank me anytime.
>>>
>>> As for hymn, why don't you just hire someone to do
>>> *everything* for you, so you won't have to bother even
>>> reading a help file? Awwww, life is SOOO hard, I know.
>>>
>> Yes darlin' I know the difference between USENET and The
>> internet...
>>
>> But I have to admit that for my A.D.D. I have no patience
>> for some of the rather complex faq sheets out there... (my
>> fault but w/e... not everyone was born with a 200+ IQ like
>> you so sue me...)
>
> It's only 134.
>
>> But from what I have gathered, it seems as though the
>> amount of time bothered creating an album out of binary
>> posts seems more trouble than just DLing from a service,
>> which is why I just used itunes, but live and learn (and I
>> won't be using itunes again!). The great thing about
>> emusic.com in case anyone else is searching any Chris &
>> Cosey/CTI is they have their entire catalog (except for a
>> few tidbits like the ones I got on itunes, but then those
>> were Mortal Loom feat CnC)
>
> I don't know what's more annoying, natural ignorance of a
> seemingly intelligent person, or that person insisting on
> continuing to wallow in that extreme ignorance. The paragraph
> above confirms your total cluelessness.
>
> Whatever, darling. It's your life.
>

I know what's more annoying.

People that make fun of those less intelligent than they are.

Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
news:46d9a406$0$18756$:

> thanatoid wrote:
>> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
>> news:46d968ae$0$18920$:
>>
>>> thanatoid wrote:
>>>> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
>>>> news:46d82572$0$11002$:
>>>>
>>>>> thanatoid wrote:
>>>>>> Muze Gruppes <> wrote in
>>>>>> news:46d75c24$0$31902$:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I signed up for the itunes service today and bought 2
>>>>>>> tracks. In the signup process they said the music was
>>>>>>> 256kbps VBR .AAC tracks. Instead I got 2 .M4P files
>>>>>>> that foobar2000 cannot play but Quicktime can (only
>>>>>>> it seems) Is there a way/progranm to change these
>>>>>>> files to .aac or .mp3 Hell even .wma! That's the last
>>>>>>> time I but music from apple...
>>>>>> You're a regular Usenet user and you PAID to join
>>>>>> iTunes? WHAT is your problem? Need a clue or
>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Use the Usenet while we still have it, dude.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for mp4, there are plugins for the countless audio
>>>>>> converters that will convert this sort of new format
>>>>>> to anything you want. I don't know about the DRM part
>>>>>> because I don't use Vista and I like the Usenet, so
>>>>>> can't help you there.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Uh, normally I use soulseek or even emusic.com (cheap
>>>>> and non-DRM) APPLE said that they were going non-DRM
>>>>> and I could not find these 2 tracks on Soulseek or
>>>>> emusic.com so itunes it turned out was the last source
>>>>> to acquiring these 2 songs. And LIMEWIRE sucks monkey
>>>>> balls so don't even get me started there.
>>>>>
>>>>> So no I don't need a clue. Apparently you did so I gave
>>>>> you some.
>>>> (Laughter break.)
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you should check on the difference between
>>>> internet and Usenet. You might even find out what www
>>>> stands for!
>>>>
>>>> And yes, SOULseek (not that I will bother ever visiting)
>>>> definitely sounds like the place for some CTI music...
>>>> SIGH.
>>>>
>>>> Here's some clues, Oh Ignorant One (wrote it all out
>>>> complete but then decided it was time to get your brain
>>>> some exercise...):
>>>>
>>>> binaries.sounds gothic-industrial binsearch REQ: vinden
>>>>
>>>> SOME of this is totally basic but at least one is HIGHER
>>>> KNOWLEDGE so be careful. I am not responsible.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to thank me anytime.
>>>>
>>>> As for hymn, why don't you just hire someone to do
>>>> *everything* for you, so you won't have to bother even
>>>> reading a help file? Awwww, life is SOOO hard, I know.
>>>>
>>> Yes darlin' I know the difference between USENET and The
>>> internet...
>>>
>>> But I have to admit that for my A.D.D. I have no patience
>>> for some of the rather complex faq sheets out there...
>>> (my fault but w/e... not everyone was born with a 200+ IQ
>>> like you so sue me...)
>>
>> It's only 134.
>>
>>> But from what I have gathered, it seems as though the
>>> amount of time bothered creating an album out of binary
>>> posts seems more trouble than just DLing from a service,
>>> which is why I just used itunes, but live and learn (and
>>> I won't be using itunes again!). The great thing about
>>> emusic.com in case anyone else is searching any Chris &
>>> Cosey/CTI is they have their entire catalog (except for a
>>> few tidbits like the ones I got on itunes, but then those
>>> were Mortal Loom feat CnC)
>>
>> I don't know what's more annoying, natural ignorance of a
>> seemingly intelligent person, or that person insisting on
>> continuing to wallow in that extreme ignorance. The
>> paragraph above confirms your total cluelessness.
>>
>> Whatever, darling. It's your life.
>>
>
> I know what's more annoying.
>
> People that make fun of those less intelligent than they
> are.
>

First of all, I'm not making fun of you, nor do I know who is
more intelligent. (134 is not that high. Besides IQ is not
really all that reliable a measure of anything. I happen to be a
total failure in life.) So I am not making fun of you, I am just
pointing out an infinitely superior way of getting quality music
rips by people who care about music vs. being abusively
manipulated by greedy and deceptive multi-nationals.

Also, people making fun may or may not be annoying depending on
the stupidity factor of the "fun-making". Stupidity itself is
the real evil.

Well, laziness is a bit of problem sometimes, too. (Now I AM
making fun of you.)


--
"This is not nuclear. This is just a test."
- illyria

In article <Lo->, Smirnoff
<> wrote:

> Thanks for the detailed info.
> I haven't actually converted any tracks yet but have now set importing
> to MP3, 256kbps, VBR, Normal Stereo.
> At least I know I already have it set up correctly should I wish to
> convert.
> Thanks agin.


You bet.
I hope some others read some of that.

One last thing, though; iTunes supports plug-ins.
So if you are a real audiophile with a particular affection for a
high-end codec, you may be able to add that, and use it to rip.