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I think this has been reported in some other forums, but Costco is now
selling eneloops. The one near me just got them.

Costco now sells a Sanyo eneloop "Power Pack" consisting of eight AA
cells (2000mAH), four AAA cells (800mAH), two C size adapters, two D
size adapters, and a charger for $26.49.

Go to the web site "http://batterydata.com" and at the top click on
"New: Sanyo eneloop Batteries Now at Costco." I've added a picture of
the product as well.

Steve
"http://batterydata.com"
"Earth's Independent Source for Unbiased Digital Camera Battery Information"

SMS <> wrote:
> I think this has been reported in some other forums, but Costco is now
> selling eneloops. The one near me just got them.
>
> Costco now sells a Sanyo eneloop "Power Pack" consisting of eight AA
> cells (2000mAH), four AAA cells (800mAH), two C size adapters, two D
> size adapters, and a charger for $26.49.
>
> Go to the web site "http://batterydata.com" and at the top click on
> "New: Sanyo eneloop Batteries Now at Costco." I've added a picture of
> the product as well.
>

Very cool ... except I don't need them anymore ... they are a year too late in
stocking them

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

SMS wrote:
> I think this has been reported in some other forums, but Costco is now
> selling eneloops. The one near me just got them.
>
> Costco now sells a Sanyo eneloop "Power Pack" consisting of eight AA
> cells (2000mAH), four AAA cells (800mAH), two C size adapters, two D
> size adapters, and a charger for $26.49.
>
> Go to the web site "http://batterydata.com" and at the top click on
> "New: Sanyo eneloop Batteries Now at Costco." I've added a picture of
> the product as well.
>
> Steve
> "http://batterydata.com"
> "Earth's Independent Source for Unbiased Digital Camera Battery
> Information"

Some of the information on that link is not in agreement with statements
I've seen stated on vendor sites. Also, clicking on the first link
doesn't get me to any info on Costco.
I don't really care whether the info stated is correct or not, I've been
using NiMH long enough to know the way I am using them suits me fine,
but it might be of interest to know the information source for the
claims made.
Dave Cohen

Dave Cohen wrote:

> Some of the information on that link is not in agreement with statements
> I've seen stated on vendor sites. Also, clicking on the first link
> doesn't get me to any info on Costco.

It linked to the photo of the package. I've changed it to link to a
short blurb on the contents.

> I don't really care whether the info stated is correct or not, I've been
> using NiMH long enough to know the way I am using them suits me fine,
> but it might be of interest to know the information source for the
> claims made.

Which claims? Everything on the site came from a reliable source, either
a battery manufacturer, charger manufacturer, semiconductor
manufacturer, or acknowledged battery expert.

SMS <> wrote:
>
> Which claims? Everything on the site came from a reliable source, either
> a battery manufacturer, charger manufacturer, semiconductor
> manufacturer, or acknowledged battery expert.

Really? Then provide your source for this:

"On the other hand, Li-Ion battery packs have a number of technical advantages
over NiMH batteries, including a much lower self-discharge rate, greater
energy density (in terms of both weight and volume), far better
low-temperature performance, a greater maximum number of charge/discharge
cycles, and the ability for the camera to provide a fairly accurate indication
of remaining capacity. This is why virtually every new digital SLR, and
virtually every high end digital camera, uses Li-Ion battery packs. It's also
why notebook computers, PDAs, cell phones, MP3 players, etc., use Li-Ion
battery packs. After-market Li-Ion battery packs are available at very good
prices, in fact if you look at the big picture and compute the total cost
including accounting for the number of charge cycles, Li-Ion batteries are
often less expensive. Now even some high-end rechargeable bicycle lights and
flashlights are using Li-Ion batteries."

.... "including a much lower self-discharge rate" ... is currently debatable
with the advent of low self discharge NiMH batteries such as Eneloops.

.... "a greater maximum number of charge/discharge cycles" ....
.... "and the ability for the camera to provide a fairly accurate indication
of remaining capacity" .... and I don't think any expert wrote that in the
context that you are using it.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

(SMS) wrote:


" http://batterydata.com "

" Earth's Independent Source for Unbiased Digital Camera Battery
Information "

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Or so you claim. (if you blow your own horn,
it's usually as a distraction)


What does ASAAR have to say about that?

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:46:52 -0400, wrote:

>> " Earth's Independent Source for Unbiased Digital Camera Battery
>> Information "

> Or so you claim. (if you blow your own horn,
> it's usually as a distraction)
>
>
> What does ASAAR have to say about that?

I guess you already know. SMS's website has some good
information, some bad, and being SMS's vanity project, is about the
most biased source of information that's possible to find, short of
political advocacy websites.

As far as the Eneloop battery/charger kit goes, Costco has it for
a decent price, essentially charging regular prices for the
batteries and including the charger, C and D cell adapters at no
extra cost. But it's less of a bargain if you don't need or can't
find a use for all 12 Eneloop batteries.

The main reason for the post was probably that it gave him another
excuse to shill his website. Little information was given beyond
what was already included in his message. FWIW, this Eneloop
package is an exclusive Costco deal and isn't available over the
internet. You can only buy it from a Costco warehouse. As some
have it in stock and others don't, it would be wise to check
availability in advance. Costco's item number for this Eneloop kit
is 183245.

A couple of months ago (approx.), SMS was comparing the costs of
getting a charger with a couple of batteries, and as usual distorted
the prices completely in favor of Li-Ion over NiMH, claiming that
you'd pay about $50 for a NiMH solution, about double what he was
quoting for Li-Ion prices. This despite the fact that many stores
sell chargers with NiMH batteries for $20 to $35, and one person
even posted that he found a Duracell charger with batteries for
(IIRC) on sale for $15 at Walgreens. So now SMS, to drum up website
traffic, posts info. about this Eneloop kit that includes 12 Eneloop
batteries for $26.49. Let's see if he remembers this the next time
he quotes battery/charger prices.

Also a bit odd was that in trying to scare people away from
reasonably priced chargers, he usually advises that very expensive
NiMH "conditioning" smart chargers having individual circuits and
displays for all cells should be used. No hint of this warning was
given about the Eneloop charger, which has only one indicator LED
for all four charge bays and no conditioning (discharge) circuit.
No matter. The charger will do its job well, if somewhat slowly.

BTW, his website still touts Li-Ion batteries as having much lower
self discharge than standard NiMH batteries (true), but fails to
note any distinction between Li-Ion and Eneloop type batteries, even
though Li-Ion batteries need to be returned to their chargers *much*
sooner than Eneloops, when both types aren't used for long periods.

In article <46d4dadb$0$27189$>,
says...
> I think this has been reported in some other forums, but Costco is now
> selling eneloops. The one near me just got them.
>
> Costco now sells a Sanyo eneloop "Power Pack" consisting of eight AA
> cells (2000mAH), four AAA cells (800mAH), two C size adapters, two D
> size adapters, and a charger for $26.49.
>

That's good news, because in my area, few places sell Eneloops, and
those few ONLY sell the batteries with a charger. I think I saw a
couple of packages of just batteries back around last Christmas,
but haven't seen any since. And the place that had those appears to
no longer sell Eneloops.

I get the impression Sanyo is better at making batteries than at
marketing them.

--
sw2U

Thomas T. Veldhouse <> wrote:
> SMS <> wrote:
>>
>> Which claims? Everything on the site came from a reliable source, either
>> a battery manufacturer, charger manufacturer, semiconductor
>> manufacturer, or acknowledged battery expert.
>
> Really? Then provide your source for this:
>
> "On the other hand, Li-Ion battery packs have a number of technical advantages
> over NiMH batteries, including a much lower self-discharge rate, greater
> energy density (in terms of both weight and volume), far better
> low-temperature performance, a greater maximum number of charge/discharge
> cycles, and the ability for the camera to provide a fairly accurate indication
> of remaining capacity. This is why virtually every new digital SLR, and
> virtually every high end digital camera, uses Li-Ion battery packs. It's also
> why notebook computers, PDAs, cell phones, MP3 players, etc., use Li-Ion
> battery packs. After-market Li-Ion battery packs are available at very good
> prices, in fact if you look at the big picture and compute the total cost
> including accounting for the number of charge cycles, Li-Ion batteries are
> often less expensive. Now even some high-end rechargeable bicycle lights and
> flashlights are using Li-Ion batteries."
>
> ... "including a much lower self-discharge rate" ... is currently debatable
> with the advent of low self discharge NiMH batteries such as Eneloops.
>
> ... "a greater maximum number of charge/discharge cycles" ....
> ... "and the ability for the camera to provide a fairly accurate indication
> of remaining capacity" .... and I don't think any expert wrote that in the
> context that you are using it.
>

Funny how SMS simply goes silent with presented with an obvious answer and
counter to his question and assertion.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.

sw2U <> wrote:
>
> That's good news, because in my area, few places sell Eneloops, and
> those few ONLY sell the batteries with a charger. I think I saw a
> couple of packages of just batteries back around last Christmas,
> but haven't seen any since. And the place that had those appears to
> no longer sell Eneloops.
>
> I get the impression Sanyo is better at making batteries than at
> marketing them.
>

Most retailers have been slow to understand the meaning of "low
self-discharge", so I suspect they haven't jumped to put them on endcaps.
To take this thought further, they are probably hesistant to carry multiple
brands of NiMH batteries that are only 2000-2100mAh when they can sell those
2500-2700mAh batteries knowing they have "bigger" numbers. They are slowly
learning however.

BTW ... you can always buy Eneloops at a good price on Amazon.com. My last
purchase was 8-AA Eneloops for $19.99. I bought a few Nexcell C and D
adapters and have these batteries in clocks, digital thermometers, remotes,
certain medical equipment, mouse and keyboard, etc. All these are
applications where the traditional NiMH batteries would have failed due to
self-discharge, but is no longer a problem with these new batteries. One
healthy star for me and the environment.

--
Thomas T. Veldhouse

We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the
machinations of the wicked.