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Mitch "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

> In article <7pryi.6214$> , DanR
> <> wrote:
>
>> >> NISTime is built into Vista.
>> > No -- you're kidding, right?
>> > You mean Vista is able on it's own to check the time servers and
>> > make the change to system time, right?
>> >
>> >> There is an "Update now" button that sometimes works, sometimes
>> >> doesn't work.
>> > Huh. This is a very simple operation, yet it sometimes fails in
>> > Microsoft's newest, most advanced and impressive OS?
>> >
>> >> My computer uses time.nest.gov to set the clock at preset
>> >> intervals. My computer clock is always dead on compared to another
>> >> so called atomic clock I have. (WWV)
>> > Didn't you just say the sync sometimes fails?
>>
>> Mitch, I just read your post 4 times and for the life of me I don't
>> get your point.
>>
>
> Okay; three points:
>
> First, I don't think the NISTime program is not rolled into Vista. I
> think Vista was just programmed with the protocol from scratch.
> Since the inquiry was about whether NISTime (a program) worked under
> Vista, it's an important distinction.
>
> Second, I was surprised such a simple protocol would fail. That
> WinVista failed to do it suggests a serious problem. It should be
> unacceptable for someone to find that WinVista cannot update time
> frequently.
>
> Third, if the system fails to correct its time, then it should not be
> keeping correct time. But the last example claims that the computer
> time is more accurate than a clock setting itself (presumably) to the
> atomic clock radio signal. That's a logical conflict, and I wondered
> if there was any problem with the computer clock at all.
> That is, if the computer is keeping good time, then why try to correct
> the time with a weekly time check?
>

You are all truly a bunch of ****ing idiots. Almost every ISP has a NTP
server running. Why not just use the "net time" command to set the
computer to sync with the ISP? No 3d party software is needed to
accomplish this simple task. Example: "net time
/setsntp:ntp.isp.whatever" All my computers show the exact time.

--
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On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 18:53:23 +0200 (CEST), John Holmes wrote:

>Mitch "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:
>
>> In article <7pryi.6214$> , DanR
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> >> NISTime is built into Vista.
>>> > No -- you're kidding, right?
>>> > You mean Vista is able on it's own to check the time servers and
>>> > make the change to system time, right?
>>> >
>>> >> There is an "Update now" button that sometimes works, sometimes
>>> >> doesn't work.
>>> > Huh. This is a very simple operation, yet it sometimes fails in
>>> > Microsoft's newest, most advanced and impressive OS?

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>You are all truly a bunch of ****ing idiots. Almost every ISP has a NTP
>server running. Why not just use the "net time" command to set the
>computer to sync with the ISP? No 3d party software is needed to
>accomplish this simple task. Example: "net time
>/setsntp:ntp.isp.whatever" All my computers show the exact time.

My ISP says not to rely on thier ntp. One sore point is internal lack of
time sync in the ISP. it's odd uploading files to a webserver before you
appear to have last edited them

A managed ntp pool server works for me.

Me

In article < >, John
Holmes <> wrote:

> You are all truly a bunch of ****ing idiots. Almost every ISP has a NTP
> server running. Why not just use the "net time" command to set the
> computer to sync with the ISP? No 3d party software is needed to
> accomplish this simple task. Example: "net time
> /setsntp:ntp.isp.whatever" All my computers show the exact time.

If you read that thread again, almost no one in it was having any
difficulty setting the time. The discussion was about the method used.

All you have offered is a (bad) alternative server.

Jeff Wisnia wrote:

> Maybe it's just me, but I've gotten used to using NISTime32 to keep my
> computer's clock set right, but since I got a new Dell with Vista I find
> that NISTime runs ok, but it won't set the clock for me, even though it
> does tell me it did. I have to note the time returned by NISTime and
> then enter it through Vista's date/time window.
>
> Have I missed a "Vista Ready" version of NISTime or is there another
> utility which will do what NISTime does and set the clock?
>
> Thanks guys,
>
> Jeff


I did ping NIST about my OP issue and received this reply FWIW:

*********

The current version will work with Vista and adjust the clock
but you must run the program with explicit administrator privileges.
This restriction was not enforced on previous versions on Windows --
an account in the administrator group would work.

*********

Now all I have to do is figure out eggsackly what that means. I thought
that when I started using Visat I made "my account" an administrator
account, but may be it isn't "explicit" enough. <G>

Live and learn...

Thanks guys,

Jeff

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:32:30 -0400, Jeff Wisnia wrote:

>Jeff Wisnia wrote:
>
>> Maybe it's just me, but I've gotten used to using NISTime32 to keep my
>> computer's clock set right, but since I got a new Dell with Vista I find
>> that NISTime runs ok, but it won't set the clock for me, even though it
>> does tell me it did. I have to note the time returned by NISTime and
>> then enter it through Vista's date/time window.
>>
>> Have I missed a "Vista Ready" version of NISTime or is there another
>> utility which will do what NISTime does and set the clock?
>>
>> Thanks guys,
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
>I did ping NIST about my OP issue and received this reply FWIW:
>
>*********
>
>The current version will work with Vista and adjust the clock
>but you must run the program with explicit administrator privileges.

You could select the exe and right click / Run As.

Setup a scheduled job to run the exe, this lets you add account /
password to a task.

See if it runs as a service.

Force it to run as a service. FireDaemon (the older freeware?? version
is still around) see the firedaemon forumns, search for the link and
somewhere in 1 or 2 of the MS Windows (insert version) Resource kits has
a utility to do it.

>This restriction was not enforced on previous versions on Windows --
>an account in the administrator group would work.

It's nice when they stop there.

www.google.com

Vista has administrator accounts and the administrator account. If it
suits you to enable it.

How to access the true Administrator account in Windows VistaMicrosoft
has purposely hidden the built-in Administrator account in Vista, but
it's easy to use once you know how to find it, writes Scot Finnie.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9001970
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Asking in a microsoft newsgroup, microsoft public windows vista from,
http://groups.google.com/groups/dir?...07276&expand=1
you get the idea, this soft of thing

microsoft.public.windows.vista.administration_acco unts_passwords
microsoft.public.windows.vista.security

>*********
>
>Now all I have to do is figure out eggsackly what that means. I thought
>that when I started using Visat I made "my account" an administrator
>account, but may be it isn't "explicit" enough. <G>
>
>Live and learn...
>
>Thanks guys,
>
>Jeff

Me

"Jeff Wisnia" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Jeff Wisnia wrote:
>
>> Maybe it's just me, but I've gotten used to using NISTime32 to keep my
>> computer's clock set right, but since I got a new Dell with Vista I find
>> that NISTime runs ok, but it won't set the clock for me, even though it
>> does tell me it did. I have to note the time returned by NISTime and then
>> enter it through Vista's date/time window.
>>
>> Have I missed a "Vista Ready" version of NISTime or is there another
>> utility which will do what NISTime does and set the clock?
>>
>> Thanks guys,
>>
>> Jeff
>
>
> I did ping NIST about my OP issue and received this reply FWIW:
>
> *********
>
> The current version will work with Vista and adjust the clock
> but you must run the program with explicit administrator privileges.
> This restriction was not enforced on previous versions on Windows --
> an account in the administrator group would work.
>
> *********
>
> Now all I have to do is figure out eggsackly what that means. I thought
> that when I started using Visat I made "my account" an administrator
> account, but may be it isn't "explicit" enough. <G>
>

Even if you're Admin on the Vista, you may need to escalate a program's
privileges to run by using Run As Administer, which can be permanently set
off of the Advanced tab of the short-cut pointing to the exe or the exe
itself.