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John
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      08-10-2007
Nothing ever changes. Help forums become places where those with too
much testosterone pounce on users who are frustrated, and perhaps not
as savvy as the forum experts have convinced themselves that they are.

It regrettable that you got dumped on, rather than getting much help.

FWIW, the idea of making your own DVD backup only works, if you are
willing to destroy your install, and restore it, to verify that the
DVD is up to the task. Otherwise, you are prancing around thinking you
have a backup, and you may not.

The only way to cope with such bullshit, is the day you buy the
machine, make the DVD, blow away the system, and make sure it restores
properly. Do it fast, so you can take it right back and ream someone
big time.

Usually, there is a restore feature which uses a hidden image file on
another partition. You need to check around for it. These seem to
work, but again, they should be verified as soon as you take delivery
of the machine. PITA, but better than the risk of having no restore
capability.

You are stuck with windows. Linux is not an option for most people,
and you will be very disappointed with it, as it requires so much
effort under the hood. Linux had its chance, but the community was too
busy thinking their distro, and their method was the best, and so it
is no hopelessly fragmented, and totally unsuited for pretty much all
but the most sadistic hacker.

Sorry you got hosed. With tongue in cheek, I can only say that if you
have been using windows since 95, and you are shocked that its a
bloated piece of barely useful software, you have not been paying much
attention.


 
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Daave
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      08-10-2007
deno" <"denodens[nospam] wrote:
> By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
>
> I've only been using it for about a week on this new laptop, and
> already there is a lot of software screwed up and not functioning
> properly. I don't see that I've done anything to do this.
>
> I've been using windows since 95, I'm by no means an expert, but
> I've not had this much difficulty operating or maintaining other
> windows versions, except in trying to get 95 to connect to the
> internet.
>
> These are my current problems. Pre-installed Norton Internet
> Security, continually asking to update, regardless of it's
> settings. It's interface has changed, w/o explanation.


That's not a Vista problem. That is what your *PC manufacturer* elected
to include.


 
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Ron Martell
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      08-10-2007
deno <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote:


>
>The salesman of the RAM told me this, not the salesman of the
>laptop, and I can screw myself with or without MS help, but MS
>definately facilitated that screwing where I could not do it on my
>own. I suppose you either own MS stock, or work for them then?
>Thanks for your valuable input.


Microsoft's licensing terms require that OEMs provide *a method* by
which the operating system can be restored to the "as it left the
factory" condition.

The method of doing this is left up to the individual computer
manufacturers. Check the documentation that came with the computer
or phone their tech support and ask you reinstall Windows.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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Microsoft MVP (1997 - 200
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."
 
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Mitch
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      08-10-2007
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Ron Martell
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Microsoft's licensing terms require that OEMs provide *a method* by
> which the operating system can be restored to the "as it left the
> factory" condition.


For my money, that ain't enough, especially when there is a simple,
effective, common-sense, easy, cheap and common way to make sure this
is done in all cases (provide a disc).

In any case, it *DAMN SURE* ain't up to Microsoft (one of the parties!)
to determine or decide!
 
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Mr. Arnold
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      08-10-2007
I didn't read it. It's not worth a read.
Opinions are a dime a dozen, and everyone has got one.
 
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MEG
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      08-11-2007
On Aug 10, 8:50 am, deno <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote:
> By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
>
> I've only been using it for about a week on this new laptop, and
> already there is a lot of software screwed up and not functioning
> properly. I don't see that I've done anything to do this.
>
> I've been using windows since 95, I'm by no means an expert, but
> I've not had this much difficulty operating or maintaining other
> windows versions, except in trying to get 95 to connect to the
> internet.
>
> These are my current problems. Pre-installed Norton Internet
> Security, continually asking to update, regardless of it's
> settings. It's interface has changed, w/o explanation. After
> changing default settings then returning to them, the entire
> interface has changed. Disabling it's firewall in preference to
> using ZA, I can't even connect to WIFI at all. I can find no way
> to unintall NIS. I'd really like to get rid of this in preference
> to some less expensive and functional option.
>
> Internet Explorer absolutely refuses to connect with even default
> settings. Thank god for FF and K-Meleon.
>
> I cannot figure out how to uninstall any IE add on, thinking I've
> some how inadvertently caused this connection problem.
>
> The only way I've found to disable the constant barrage of popups
> of DUN while using WIFI is in the services.msc, Until it's been
> re-enabled Windows can't find any DUN, if I need to switch back to
> dialup. So you sure don't want to forget how you finally got rid
> of it's incessant popups.
>
> I cannot find anything about disabling useless and annoying tray
> "information," balloons. Not even in a google search. Why is it
> google is finding us less and less info as time passes? Anyone
> else notice that?
>
> Vista barely runs on the pre-installed one gig of memory, and of
> course all memory slots are filled with the smallest chips
> available, creating waste and hardware upgrade expense. [is this
> what we want to teach our children about how the world should run?
> lol] sigh. I mean, is it any wonder we are under attack from the
> rest of the world?
>
> It seems MS has found it necessary to change the GUI and
> operability of at least some of my most commonly used window's
> apps, windows explorer, [if you can even find it], and add/remove
> apps. In some of these windows, I can't switch "views," to make
> them more functional for me. In 'control panel' for example, I
> can't find a way to switch to 'list' view, and only have large
> icons as an option as far as I can find.
>
> To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean
> re-install of this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to
> find out yesterday while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
> that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc!
> My god what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said
> if I don't backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself,
> and something really gets screwed up, I have no option to
> reinstall Vista as I bought it and as it came with this computer!
> Is this true? It certainly wouldn't do me any good to back it
> all up or make an image as it is now.
>
> I hate microsoft so much for this. If I knew I could take any
> version of Linux and easily connect using any method and feel
> secured with a firewall and AV without being a total expert geek,
> I'd absolutely do it right now. I'm so sick of this stuff of not
> being able to be productive the way *I want to be.*
>
> Thanks for any suggestions, Deno


What do you expect from a bunch of chinese software jerks, but they
are cheap......

 
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doS
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      08-11-2007
you boot from the damn upgrade disc and do a clean install, what a m0r00n

"deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
news:46bc98cb$0$23611$(E-Mail Removed)...
> olfart wrote:
>> "deno" <"denodens[nospam]"@operamail.com> wrote in message
>> news:0217ff14$0$25014$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> By offensive, I mean anti-user, even hostile at times.
>>>
>>> Snip
>>>
>>> To cut this short, I already feel the need to do a clean re-install of
>>> this 'OS' and start over from the beginning, only to find out yesterday
>>> while upgrading 512MB of RAM w/1GHz chip, lol,
>>> that I can't do this. I only am supplied with an "upgrade" disc! My god
>>> what have I gotten myself into? The compusa salesman said if I don't
>>> backup everything on this laptop to DVD or CD myself, and something
>>> really gets screwed up, I have no option to reinstall Vista as I bought
>>> it and as it came with this computer! Is this true? It certainly
>>> wouldn't do me any good to back it all up or make an image as it is now.
>>>

>> The salesman told you to backup to a DVD and you didn't??
>> The salesman told you that you had no option to reinstall Vista???
>>
>> And you bought it anyway?????
>>
>> MS didn't screw you....
>> You screwed yourself
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

>
> I forgot to mention, I *could* screw back. I mean, I'm sure MS hasn't
> neglected to notice that option. It's as if they almost expect it I'd say.
> I'd bet a nickel to a dollar I can get my money back returning this
> computer for a full refund, and that only screws MS, the retailer, and
> every other windows purchaser that comes after me. That's just one way of
> un-screwing myself for the cost of gasoline to get there.



 
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      08-11-2007
Mitch wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Ron Martell
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Microsoft's licensing terms require that OEMs provide *a method* by
>> which the operating system can be restored to the "as it left the
>> factory" condition.

>
> For my money, that ain't enough, especially when there is a simple,
> effective, common-sense, easy, cheap and common way to make sure this
> is done in all cases (provide a disc).
>
> In any case, it *DAMN SURE* ain't up to Microsoft (one of the parties!)
> to determine or decide!


My upgrade version of Vista came with disk.

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      08-11-2007
John wrote:
> Nothing ever changes. Help forums become places where those with too
> much testosterone pounce on users who are frustrated, and perhaps not
> as savvy as the forum experts have convinced themselves that they are.
>
> It regrettable that you got dumped on, rather than getting much help.
>
> FWIW, the idea of making your own DVD backup only works, if you are
> willing to destroy your install, and restore it, to verify that the
> DVD is up to the task. Otherwise, you are prancing around thinking you
> have a backup, and you may not.
>
> The only way to cope with such bullshit, is the day you buy the
> machine, make the DVD, blow away the system, and make sure it restores
> properly. Do it fast, so you can take it right back and ream someone
> big time.
>
> Usually, there is a restore feature which uses a hidden image file on
> another partition. You need to check around for it. These seem to
> work, but again, they should be verified as soon as you take delivery
> of the machine. PITA, but better than the risk of having no restore
> capability.
>
> You are stuck with windows. Linux is not an option for most people,
> and you will be very disappointed with it, as it requires so much
> effort under the hood. Linux had its chance, but the community was too
> busy thinking their distro, and their method was the best, and so it
> is no hopelessly fragmented, and totally unsuited for pretty much all
> but the most sadistic hacker.
>
> Sorry you got hosed. With tongue in cheek, I can only say that if you
> have been using windows since 95, and you are shocked that its a
> bloated piece of barely useful software, you have not been paying much
> attention.


Yeah, no arrogance there.
 
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Plato
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      08-11-2007
deno wrote:
>
> These are my current problems. Pre-installed Norton Internet
> Security, continually asking to update, regardless of it's


See if you can remove NIS. Links here:


http://www.bootdisk.com/helpdesk.htm



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