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Eeyore wrote:
>
> JANA wrote:
>
>
>>When making ethanol fuel from corn, the energy used, is more than what can
>>be had from the ethanol.
>
>
> You're full of crap aren't you ?
>

Sorry eeyore,
Shocking but true.
Well not so shocking.
But what is, is the amount of water needed to do this.
Massive, beyond some states capacity, yet they are building ethanol plants.

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 03:24:35 -0400, "JANA" <>
wrote:

>Before you make a comment, you should research things out!
>
>
>These are independent and proven reports about the environmental problems
>with ethanol. The companies that are making the ethanol are like cigarette
>companies. They are saying the opposite! But, it has been proven in the
>past, that breathing the fumes from burning alcohol can induce asthma, and
>other health complications. It is also believed by many health researchers
>that the fumes from ethanol can cause cancer.
>
>http://www.foodfirst.org/node/1713
>
>http://news-service.stanford.edu/new...ol-041807.html
>
>http://pubs.acs.org/cgi-bin/abstract...es062085v.html
>
>
>
>It takes more energy and causes more pollution to make ethanol, than what it
>can deliver back as energy! Not only does the conversion process use more
>energy, but there is a lot of energy used to grow, produce, harvest,
>process, and transport, the corn to make the ethanol in the first place.
>
>http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NG1VDF6EM1.DTL
>
>http://www.igreens.org.uk/ethanol_from_corn_.htm
>
>
>
>The ethanol producers, and the corn growers are all for this industry for
>obvious reasons. In the mean time, the public, will pay in the end.
>
>Between petrol and diesel, the diesel is actually cleaner burning even
>though it may have an odour to it. The odour is caused because the diesel is
>more pure oil and produces more carbon. Carbon will settle back to the
>ground, and over time it will recycle itself. The fumes from petrol are more
>dangerous than diesel. But, ethanol fumes are the most dangerous.

Thanks

"Any government sponsored program to reduce greenhouse gases will
result in higher taxes, higher costs, and higher greenhouse gases."

We should be researching ways to convert politicians to fuel.
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JANA wrote:

> Before you call someone an idiot, you should do some research. You are
> looking like the fool, not me.

You're a TOP POSTING idiot now.

You clearly know nothing about the subject in question.

Graham

JANA wrote:

> I would recommend you do some thinking before typing (talking).

I recommend you stop top-posting.


> If you lease the batteries, in the end someone has to pay for them, and it
> will not be owner.

If it's a lease who do you mean by the 'owner' ?

Don't you even know what leasing is ?


> In any case, the owner has to make his money back, plus a
> profit. When the batteries are no longer useful, the owner is going to have
> to dispose of the batteries somewhere!!!

You idiot.

You recycle such batteries not dispose of them.

Graham


> JANA
> _____
>
> "Eeyore" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
> JANA wrote:
>
> > As for the consumer, if he wants to keep his car, the battery replacement
> > cost is going to be in the average range of $6000 US. If he trades his
> > car
> > with the used batteries, this cost will be deducted from the trade-in
> > value.
>
> The simple and obvious way to deal with this is by leasing the battery, not
> owning it.
>
> Graham

JANA wrote:

> There have been publications about the energy usage to make ethanol. You
> should research this out before making comments!

You should shut the **** up.

I've read extensively about that subject, something you clearly haven't. I'm
getting the impression you get your 'facts' from low-brow newspapers.

Stop advertsing your phenomenal ignorance.

Graham


> JANA
> _____
>
> "Eeyore" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
> JANA wrote:
>
> > When making ethanol fuel from corn, the energy used, is more than what can
> > be had from the ethanol.
>
> You're full of crap aren't you ?
>
> > The pollution caused from burning ethanol is worse
> > than from petrol.
>
> Utter nonsense.
>
> Graham

JANA wrote:

> Before you make a comment, you should research things out!
>
> These are independent and proven reports about the environmental problems
> with ethanol. The companies that are making the ethanol are like cigarette
> companies.

You talk an amazing amount of CRAP.


Graham

Without taking sides on any other issues, IMO the old rule not to top post
is out of date! It is much more appropriate in today's environment to top
post.

"Eeyore" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
>
> JANA wrote:
>
>> I would recommend you do some thinking before typing (talking).
>
> I recommend you stop top-posting.
>
>
>> If you lease the batteries, in the end someone has to pay for them, and
>> it
>> will not be owner.
>
> If it's a lease who do you mean by the 'owner' ?
>
> Don't you even know what leasing is ?
>
>
>> In any case, the owner has to make his money back, plus a
>> profit. When the batteries are no longer useful, the owner is going to
>> have
>> to dispose of the batteries somewhere!!!
>
> You idiot.
>
> You recycle such batteries not dispose of them.
>
> Graham
>
>
>> JANA
>> _____
>>
>> "Eeyore" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>
>> JANA wrote:
>>
>> > As for the consumer, if he wants to keep his car, the battery
>> > replacement
>> > cost is going to be in the average range of $6000 US. If he trades his
>> > car
>> > with the used batteries, this cost will be deducted from the trade-in
>> > value.
>>
>> The simple and obvious way to deal with this is by leasing the battery,
>> not
>> owning it.
>>
>> Graham
>

But the old rule to avoid unpleasant language is as valid as ever. How can
you rabbit on about top posters and still resort to foul language?

"Eeyore" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
>
> JANA wrote:
>
>> There have been publications about the energy usage to make ethanol. You
>> should research this out before making comments!
>
> You should shut the **** up.
>
> I've read extensively about that subject, something you clearly haven't.
> I'm
> getting the impression you get your 'facts' from low-brow newspapers.
>
> Stop advertsing your phenomenal ignorance.
>
> Graham
>
>
>> JANA
>> _____
>>
>> "Eeyore" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>
>> JANA wrote:
>>
>> > When making ethanol fuel from corn, the energy used, is more than what
>> > can
>> > be had from the ethanol.
>>
>> You're full of crap aren't you ?
>>
>> > The pollution caused from burning ethanol is worse
>> > than from petrol.
>>
>> Utter nonsense.
>>
>> Graham
>

Sally wrote:

> Without taking sides on any other issues, IMO the old rule not to top post
> is out of date! It is much more appropriate in today's environment to top
> post.

Not my experience.

Graham

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 06:41:28 +1000, "Sally" <> wrote:

>Without taking sides on any other issues, IMO the old rule not to top post
>is out of date! It is much more appropriate in today's environment to top
>post.

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If all you want to argue about is the appropriateness of top
posting, then I suspect you're intellectually unqualified to take
sides on any other issues, are socially challenged and are just
another troll.


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