passed my mcp and

And just starting the 70 290, on the way towards mcsa, and wondering with
the 70 270 which is the MCP, what kinda wages are we looking at so far, do
companies take people on who are currently studying and allow them to carry
on? I have taken a little time off work to do the course and am wondering
how I am doing basically.
In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the MCP is
any good to have, as it stands now.
Thanks for any info

Spadger

Spadger wrote:
> And just starting the 70 290, on the way towards mcsa, and wondering
> with the 70 270 which is the MCP, what kinda wages are we looking at
> so far, do companies take people on who are currently studying and
> allow them to carry on? I have taken a little time off work to do
> the course and am wondering how I am doing basically.
> In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the
> MCP is any good to have, as it stands now.
> Thanks for any info


so you live in England? Do they have Burger King in England? if so I would
recommend
www.bkcareers.com
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
"What do you mean I don't support the system?
I go to court when I have to"

CrushesBeforeItCuts

yo so funny I'm fallin off me chair here!!!
Know your wasted in here though!

"CrushesBeforeItCuts" <> wrote in message
news:8--dnW8UUN4Wyo7fRVn-...
> Spadger wrote:
>> And just starting the 70 290, on the way towards mcsa, and wondering
>> with the 70 270 which is the MCP, what kinda wages are we looking at
>> so far, do companies take people on who are currently studying and
>> allow them to carry on? I have taken a little time off work to do
>> the course and am wondering how I am doing basically.
>> In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the
>> MCP is any good to have, as it stands now.
>> Thanks for any info
>
>
> so you live in England? Do they have Burger King in England? if so I would
> recommend
> www.bkcareers.com
> --
> aka
> Doom MCNGP #38
> "What do you mean I don't support the system?
> I go to court when I have to"
>
>

Spadger

Spadger wrote:
> yo so funny
Thank you very much

I'm fallin off me chair here!!!
Careful you don't hurt yourself

> Know your wasted in here though!
sorry I didn't understand this comment. I don't know how the job market is
in England but I'm guessing it's similar to the US what with outsourcing to
India and all I think you'll have a hard time finding an entry level job
with an MCP for the 70-270. There's people who can't find work with an MCSE.
Anyway, good luck and if all else fails get used to saying "You want fries
with that"

>
> "CrushesBeforeItCuts" <> wrote in message
> news:8--dnW8UUN4Wyo7fRVn-...
>> Spadger wrote:
>>> And just starting the 70 290, on the way towards mcsa, and wondering
>>> with the 70 270 which is the MCP, what kinda wages are we looking at
>>> so far, do companies take people on who are currently studying and
>>> allow them to carry on? I have taken a little time off work to do
>>> the course and am wondering how I am doing basically.
>>> In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the
>>> MCP is any good to have, as it stands now.
>>> Thanks for any info
>>
>>
>> so you live in England? Do they have Burger King in England? if so I
>> would recommend
>> www.bkcareers.com
>> --
>> aka
>> Doom MCNGP #38
>> "What do you mean I don't support the system?
>> I go to court when I have to"

CrushesBeforeItCuts

In microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse, Spadger climbed on a soapbox &
opined:

> And just starting the 70 290, on the way towards mcsa, and wondering
> with the 70 270 which is the MCP, what kinda wages are we looking at
> so far, do companies take people on who are currently studying and
> allow them to carry on? I have taken a little time off work to do the
> course and am wondering how I am doing basically.
> In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the
> MCP is any good to have, as it stands now.
> Thanks for any info
>
>

You are going about the whole thing bass-ackward. Find out what they want
first, then go about getting it. I think you are going to find that the
entry-level jobs out there are few and far between, and pay next to
nothing.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but WTF, it's a nice day for it, innit?

--
JaR
Thug 10110
Click on MCNGP.com and be a burger flipper!

JaR

The problem with the Microsoft quals is that they're not really industry
recognised. So unless your CV ends up on someones desk who'se done the exam
herself, "MCP" means nothing. Therefore it 's not remotely possible to guage
your "added value" by having it.

>>do
> companies take people on who are currently studying and allow them to
carry
> on?

yes, indeed! My company positively encourages it by locking the doors and
switching off the office lights after I go home. They won't pay for the
exams though.

>In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the MCP is
> any good to have, as it stands now.

Companies, in England, and elsewhere always require people who can complete
projects, including the nitty details and boring bits that every non-trivial
project entails. If you can show that you can do this then you're heads and
shoulders above the rest.

My advice would be to start a project using whatever exam 12-123 revolves
around. Write yourself a design paper, a spec, a test plan etc and try to
follow it through, without the temptation to skip bits because "I'm the only
one using it". Then publish this material on the internet, or at least make
it available for potential employers. That way, if a stray HR chappie fires
up his browser he can see straight away the quality of your work and it
prooves there and then that you're not just a "paper tiger". They might even
think "hey, if this is the meticulous standard this guy works to in his
spare time, imagine what he'll do if we pay him". Or if you do it badly
they'll think "aaaarrrggghh". Either way, you'll learn much, including
whether you really want to work in software.

You'll get some pretty sarcastic answers on this nesgroup from people who
were lucky in that they were able to join companies when it was easy to get
into IT through formalised and well-trodden channels. These traditional
entry levels have dried up a bit, but are still there. Fortunately there are
other methods opening up to get a job. Take heart, most of the knockers on
this board would be unemployed if they were born 10 years later.

"Spadger" <> wrote in message
news:VhIQd.62388$ k...
> And just starting the 70 290, on the way towards mcsa, and wondering with
> the 70 270 which is the MCP, what kinda wages are we looking at so far, do
> companies take people on who are currently studying and allow them to
carry
> on? I have taken a little time off work to do the course and am wondering
> how I am doing basically.
> In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the MCP
is
> any good to have, as it stands now.
> Thanks for any info
>
>

KMA

> Take heart, most of the knockers on this board would be unemployed if
> they were born 10 years later.


Yup. I been in IT since 2001. Things were really booming then weren't they.
Oh wait that was after the dot bomb but I still managed to find work. Don't
presume what you know nothing about.
--
aka
Doom MCNGP #38
"What do you mean I don't support the system?
I go to court when I have to"

CrushesBeforeItCuts

In news:cuvsu3$qq4$,
KMA <> rambled:
>
> Take heart, most of the knockers on this board would be unemployed if
> they were born 10 years later.

I've been in IT for 2 years. Beginning of 2003, I started. I'm only 23. Were
I born 10 years later, I'd be 13, and unable to legally work. Your other
points are pretty much valid, though.

--

KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26

Briscobar AT gmail DOT com

www.mcngp.com's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

Briscobar

Cheers KMA, I have a well paid job, but hate it and am trying in my time to
learn something I have always enjoyed, your advice is noted and when I get
to that stage I will take the plunge and impress the hell out of myself.


"KMA" <> wrote in message
news:cuvsu3$qq4$...
> The problem with the Microsoft quals is that they're not really industry
> recognised. So unless your CV ends up on someones desk who'se done the
> exam
> herself, "MCP" means nothing. Therefore it 's not remotely possible to
> guage
> your "added value" by having it.
>
>>>do
>> companies take people on who are currently studying and allow them to
> carry
>> on?
>
> yes, indeed! My company positively encourages it by locking the doors and
> switching off the office lights after I go home. They won't pay for the
> exams though.
>
>>In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the MCP
>>is
>> any good to have, as it stands now.
>
> Companies, in England, and elsewhere always require people who can
> complete
> projects, including the nitty details and boring bits that every
> non-trivial
> project entails. If you can show that you can do this then you're heads
> and
> shoulders above the rest.
>
> My advice would be to start a project using whatever exam 12-123 revolves
> around. Write yourself a design paper, a spec, a test plan etc and try to
> follow it through, without the temptation to skip bits because "I'm the
> only
> one using it". Then publish this material on the internet, or at least
> make
> it available for potential employers. That way, if a stray HR chappie
> fires
> up his browser he can see straight away the quality of your work and it
> prooves there and then that you're not just a "paper tiger". They might
> even
> think "hey, if this is the meticulous standard this guy works to in his
> spare time, imagine what he'll do if we pay him". Or if you do it badly
> they'll think "aaaarrrggghh". Either way, you'll learn much, including
> whether you really want to work in software.
>
> You'll get some pretty sarcastic answers on this nesgroup from people who
> were lucky in that they were able to join companies when it was easy to
> get
> into IT through formalised and well-trodden channels. These traditional
> entry levels have dried up a bit, but are still there. Fortunately there
> are
> other methods opening up to get a job. Take heart, most of the knockers on
> this board would be unemployed if they were born 10 years later.
>
> "Spadger" <> wrote in message
> news:VhIQd.62388$ k...
>> And just starting the 70 290, on the way towards mcsa, and wondering with
>> the 70 270 which is the MCP, what kinda wages are we looking at so far,
>> do
>> companies take people on who are currently studying and allow them to
> carry
>> on? I have taken a little time off work to do the course and am
>> wondering
>> how I am doing basically.
>> In England and never really looked at what companies need and if the MCP
> is
>> any good to have, as it stands now.
>> Thanks for any info
>>
>>
>
>

Spadger

No worries about the mickey takers, in my own NG we get them all the time,
it's a bit of banter, I give as well as I take.
Appreciater the useful posts even crush came through in the end.
: )


"Briscobar" <> wrote in message
news:...
> In news:cuvsu3$qq4$,
> KMA <> rambled:
>>
>> Take heart, most of the knockers on this board would be unemployed if
>> they were born 10 years later.
>
> I've been in IT for 2 years. Beginning of 2003, I started. I'm only 23.
> Were
> I born 10 years later, I'd be 13, and unable to legally work. Your other
> points are pretty much valid, though.
>
> --
>
> KB - MCNGP "silent thug" #26
>
> Briscobar AT gmail DOT com
>
> www.mcngp.com's milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.
>
>

Spadger