70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions?

Hi,

MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003

I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first time
I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and all
the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this crap
about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know what
is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam and
$375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if I
missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly or
ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites. Anyone
else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
any training material that covers it. C.G.

=?Utf-8?B?Qy5HLg==?=

I think we get the picture. You failed, no need to post that more than once.
Understand 292 is a hard exam, considering it's a consolidated exam. Also
don't knock the MS Press study material because you failed. The books are
fine, I've read them. Calling MS worthless isn't going to get you anywhere,
however there are other solutions out there. Amazon.com has user reviews,
but like any studies you should never limit to one source.

Again the MS Press books are fine, stop being so negative. As for question
the ethics of an exam. You can challenge the exam. That would however
require you to call Microsoft. I just wouldn't recommend the same tine with
them.

--
"The Rev" MCNGP #44
Microsoft Certified Trainer

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"C.G." <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-...
> Hi,
>
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
> I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first
time
> I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
> curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and
all
> the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
crap
> about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
what
> is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
and
> $375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
I
> missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly
or
> ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites.
Anyone
> else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
> any training material that covers it. C.G.

The Rev \(MCT\)

What is obvious is that you simply do not *know* Windows 2003, otherwise you
would have passed. Don't blame the test for your own inadequacies. Try
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/default.mspx

--

Wayne McGlinn
Brisbane, Oz

"Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system
of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the
masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony"
- Dennis (sometime in the middle ages)

"C.G." <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-...
> Hi,
>
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
> I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first
> time
> I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
> curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and
> all
> the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
> crap
> about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
> what
> is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
> and
> $375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
> I
> missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly
> or
> ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites.
> Anyone
> else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
> any training material that covers it. C.G.

Wayne

I found 70-292 rather easily and passed it no problem the first time a few
months back. I used the Microsoft press book as my "core" study guide. I am
glad the exams are tougher and they really do require quite a bit of hands
on which can be done on a modest home network. In general I find the quality
of Microsoft Press books to have improved quite a bit in the last couple of
years. I also sent quite a bit of time using the free Windows 2003 Server
Deployment Kit for the pertinent chapters. Doing the labs once is not good
enough in my opinion. You need to become VERY familiar with the technologies
in the labs and use them for a period of weeks [at least] to sink in. A
thorough understanding of dns is an absolute must and there have been some
changes in W2003. I also recommend reading the whole book and not just the
70-292 chapters for the exam, particularly dns, Group Policy, Software
Installation via Group Policy, Remote Desktop, Terminal Services, backups,
etc. I noticed that many of the questions had subtle differences in what
would be the correct answer based on the criteria given. Sorry to here about
your experience but the test is definitely passable. I had Windows 2003
installed on my test lab at home and worked with it for a year before I
actually started studying for the upgrade exams. When you have the product
key memorized for the install disk you know you are getting close. ---
Steve


"C.G." <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-...
> Hi,
>
> MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
> I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third time. The first
> time
> I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the entire Microsoft
> curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the entire book and
> all
> the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> like I answered almost all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
> crap
> about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
> what
> is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
> and
> $375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
> I
> missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed correctly
> or
> ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-292 bites.
> Anyone
> else have these problems? Can you suggest better study material than
> Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but they can't produce
> any training material that covers it. C.G.

Steven L Umbach

did you hear "Wayne" <> say in news:#maSKS8DFHA.3492
@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:

> Don't blame the test for your own inadequacies.

why did that sound like "Don't blame da playah, Blame da game"

--
Neil MCNGP #30

- I couldn't help myself. They were so big and round and beautiful, I
just had to touch them! Then she started screaming 'MY EYES!, MY EYES!'
and ruined the mood.

Neil

did you hear "=?Utf-8?B?Qy5HLg==?=" <C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> say
in news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-:

> 70-292 bites.

MS has made it a harder exam, in the hopes that it will force you to
really learn the product. Using the product in a production enviornment
is still a recommendation:

"intended for IT professionals who work in the typically complex
computing environment of medium to large companies. Candidates should
have experience administering client and network operating systems in
environments that have the following characteristics:

250 to 5,000 or more users
Three or more physical locations
Three or more domain controllers
Network services and resources such as messaging, database, file and
print, proxy server, firewall, Internet, intranet, remote access, and
client computer management
Connectivity requirements such as connecting branch offices and
individual users in remote locations to the corporate network and
connecting corporate networks to the Internet "

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/ex...2.asp#AUDIENCE

so back to the books (on line) and work with the products. good luck next
time.

--
Neil MCNGP #30

- I couldn't help myself. They were so big and round and beautiful, I
just had to touch them! Then she started screaming 'MY EYES!, MY EYES!'
and ruined the mood.

Neil

dont hate the playa, hate the game, fool

"Neil" <guess!!!@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns95FA5077E7E6Eneilmcsegmailcom@207.46.248.1 6...
> did you hear "Wayne" <> say in news:#maSKS8DFHA.3492
> @TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
>
>> Don't blame the test for your own inadequacies.
>
> why did that sound like "Don't blame da playah, Blame da game"
>
> --
> Neil MCNGP #30
>
> - I couldn't help myself. They were so big and round and beautiful, I
> just had to touch them! Then she started screaming 'MY EYES!, MY EYES!'
> and ruined the mood.

Consultant

"Consultant" <> wrote in news:eOs6rdEEFHA.2700
@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl:

> Subject: Re: 70-292 - Anybody have any suggestions?
> From: "Consultant" <>
> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.cert.exam.mcse
>
> dont hate the playa, hate the game, fool

and the game is a fool to play you!


Yo, am I makin' myself clear NOW!

--
Rowdy Yates, MCNGP #39
http://www.mcngp.com/
http://profiles.yahoo.com/rowdy_yates_mcngp

Rowdy Yates

I am going through the same thing. Took the exam three
times and failed it three times. The last time was 550.
I could swear I got most of the questions right. I even
scored perfect on two of the sections. I am clueless on
how they are scoring these exams.

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi,
>
>MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
>
>I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam for the third
time. The first time
>I got 650, the second time 550. I went through the
entire Microsoft
>curriculum. I wasted $100 for Microsoft's
WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
>Certification to Windows Server 2003", going through the
entire book and all
>the labs. When I took it the third time, the score was
also 550. I feel
>like I answered almost all of the questions correctly.
Then I get this crap
>about how "Some questions may not be counted, others are
for
>testing/development purposes, blah blah, blah". How the
hell do I know what
>is counted and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical
here. It is
>incomprehensible to me that I have spent 4 months
preparing for this exam and
>$375 down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on
waht I missed, if I
>missed. How do we even know if the exam results are
processed correctly or
>ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything? 70-
292 bites. Anyone
>else have these problems? Can you suggest better study
material than
>Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the exam but
they can't produce
>any training material that covers it. C.G.
>.
>

Steve,

I believe you realize that exam has changed recently, and it is
completely different story now than few months ago. I have looked on many
forums about this exam, and found only one guy that passed it after new year,
with score 700. Also, found testimony of guy who took it in english and
failed, then took one in spanish, got old exam (53 questions), and pass it
with 953. I believe that something is wrong with this exam, its look like too
many people failing.
I am not going to take this one for a while, I really
believe something is wrong with this exam.
Forums about other microsoft exams
shows that some people are passing and some are failing - wich is normal.
70-292 everybody fails after new year.




"Steven L Umbach" wrote:

> I
found 70-292 rather easily and passed it no problem the first time a few
>
months back. I used the Microsoft press book as my "core" study guide. I am

> glad the exams are tougher and they really do require quite a bit of hands

> on which can be done on a modest home network. In general I find the
quality
> of Microsoft Press books to have improved quite a bit in the last
couple of
> years. I also sent quite a bit of time using the free Windows
2003 Server
> Deployment Kit for the pertinent chapters. Doing the labs once
is not good
> enough in my opinion. You need to become VERY familiar with
the technologies
> in the labs and use them for a period of weeks [at least]
to sink in. A
> thorough understanding of dns is an absolute must and there
have been some
> changes in W2003. I also recommend reading the whole book
and not just the
> 70-292 chapters for the exam, particularly dns, Group
Policy, Software
> Installation via Group Policy, Remote Desktop, Terminal
Services, backups,
> etc. I noticed that many of the questions had subtle
differences in what
> would be the correct answer based on the criteria
given. Sorry to here about
> your experience but the test is definitely
passable. I had Windows 2003
> installed on my test lab at home and worked
with it for a year before I
> actually started studying for the upgrade
exams. When you have the product
> key memorized for the install disk you
know you are getting close. ---
> Steve
>
>
> "C.G."
<C.G.@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>
news:CFAB0F3F-9509-4AE9-8B9F-...
> > Hi,
> >
> >
MCSE 2000 Upgradeing to 2003
> >
> > I just took an 70-292 MCSE upgrade exam
for the third time. The first
> > time
> > I got 650, the second time 550.
I went through the entire Microsoft
> > curriculum. I wasted $100 for
Microsoft's WORTHLESS "Upgrading Your
> > Certification to Windows Server
2003", going through the entire book and
> > all
> > the labs. When I took
it the third time, the score was also 550. I feel
> > like I answered almost
all of the questions correctly. Then I get this
> > crap
> > about how
"Some questions may not be counted, others are for
> > testing/development
purposes, blah blah, blah". How the hell do I know
> > what
> > is counted
and what is not? This doesn't seem ethical here. It is
> > incomprehensible
to me that I have spent 4 months preparing for this exam
> > and
> > $375
down the tubes and I can't even get any feedback on waht I missed, if
> >
I
> > missed. How do we even know if the exam results are processed
correctly
> > or
> > ethically if we can't get any feedback on anything?
70-292 bites.
> > Anyone
> > else have these problems? Can you suggest
better study material than
> > Microsoft's WORTHLESS crap? They can make the
exam but they can't produce
> > any training material that covers it. C.G.

>
>
>

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