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Rick Merrill wrote:
> Yes, it is because the usenet supports anonymity all too easily. Many
> ISP want to divest themselves of Usenet alltogether - it's a path for
> more criminal intent than mere spam, not to mention trolls, and the user
> places the blame on the ISP, who cannot in fact do squat to stop it.

I think if someone posted a death threat on google groups there are ways
of finding out who done it, like if it was at a public library or
something like that

john sumner wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> Yes, it is because the usenet supports anonymity all too easily. Many
>> ISP want to divest themselves of Usenet alltogether - it's a path for
>> more criminal intent than mere spam, not to mention trolls, and the
>> user places the blame on the ISP, who cannot in fact do squat to stop it.
>
> I think if someone posted a death threat on google groups there are ways
> of finding out who done it, like if it was at a public library or
> something like that

Yes, the ISP has records that connect IP with physical location and the
police can get that pretty easily.

Rick Merrill wrote:
> john sumner wrote:
>> Rick Merrill wrote:
>>> Yes, it is because the usenet supports anonymity all too easily. Many
>>> ISP want to divest themselves of Usenet alltogether - it's a path for
>>> more criminal intent than mere spam, not to mention trolls, and the
>>> user places the blame on the ISP, who cannot in fact do squat to stop
>>> it.
>>
>> I think if someone posted a death threat on google groups there are ways
>> of finding out who done it, like if it was at a public library or
>> something like that
>
> Yes, the ISP has records that connect IP with physical location and the
> police can get that pretty easily.
What about libraries rick?i know here in broward county fl you have to
put your library card so i think that is one way to keep an ass clown
from doing something like that.

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john sumner wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> john sumner wrote:
>>> Rick Merrill wrote:
>>>> Yes, it is because the usenet supports anonymity all too easily.
>>>> Many ISP want to divest themselves of Usenet alltogether - it's a
>>>> path for more criminal intent than mere spam, not to mention trolls,
>>>> and the user places the blame on the ISP, who cannot in fact do
>>>> squat to stop it.
>>>
>>> I think if someone posted a death threat on google groups there are ways
>>> of finding out who done it, like if it was at a public library or
>>> something like that
>>
>> Yes, the ISP has records that connect IP with physical location and
>> the police can get that pretty easily.
> What about libraries rick?i know here in broward county fl you have to
> put your library card so i think that is one way to keep an ass clown
> from doing something like that.

Libraries and "internet cafes" remain open connections for scammers.
Most 419 are originated that way: a hour later they are gonzo!

I don't know what the libraries are doing for tracking, just for
limiting access AFAIK.

Rick Merrill wrote:
> Libraries and "internet cafes" remain open connections for scammers.
> Most 419 are originated that way: a hour later they are gonzo!
>
> I don't know what the libraries are doing for tracking, just for
> limiting access AFAIK.

Internet cafes i can see, but i think the libraries have ways of nailing
people.

john sumner wrote:
> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> Libraries and "internet cafes" remain open connections for scammers.
>> Most 419 are originated that way: a hour later they are gonzo!
>>
>> I don't know what the libraries are doing for tracking, just for
>> limiting access AFAIK.
>
> Internet cafes i can see, but i think the libraries have ways of nailing
> people.

Some library searches require you to enter your card ## but I've
not used the public access email or WWW.

From what I hear there are dozens of 'anonymizers" (sounds like a
skinflint!) that people use to hide their actual location.

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, Rick Merrill <> wrote:
>Borked Pseudo Mailed wrote:
>[snip]
>> On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, Aardvark <> wrote:
>>> I support spam. I am a spammer myself. There is no such thing as spam.
>>> Anybody
>>> who questions why Google Groups propagates so much spam is an asshole.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> How about some straight answers? Why are spammers constantly spamming
>> usenet and
>> morphing sock puppets specifically through the Google Groups web to usenet
>> interface,
>> and getting away with it? Is it a stupid question?
>>
>
>Yes, it is because the usenet supports anonymity all too easily. Many
>ISP want to divest themselves of Usenet alltogether - it's a path for
>more criminal intent than mere spam, not to mention trolls, and the user
>places the blame on the ISP, who cannot in fact do squat to stop it.
>
>
So you're saying that, even if they wanted to, Google can do little or nothing
to stop spammers from abusing their Google Groups accounts by posting commercial
spam, and constantly creating new sock puppets to help them promote their
commerical spam, that has been regularly flooding thousands of news groups. Then
what is this address, groups-, supposed to be for? I guess they
don't consider commerical spamming any kind of abuse, nothing that rises to the
level of getting that commerical spammer's Google Groups account cancelled.

I guess that answers the second question, that either there is no practical
way to stop it, or the desire on the part of Google to stop them is nonexistent,
persuaded, perhaps, by some financial interests in allowing Google Groups account
abusers to continue with their commercial spamming activities, unchecked.

But that doesn't address the first question, which someone else suggested was
accomplished by something called "botnets," noticing that commerical spam
originating from Google Groups account abusers shows IP blocks coming from all
over the free world. How do they do this? Is it an international usenet
"link-exchange" program, or is it being done by sophisticated computer hackers,
what gives?

I find it fascinating that, so far, no one seems to want to address this first
question, perhaps afraid that the all powerful Google overlords might drop their
PR for criticizing them in public?


Paranoid

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 11:30:37 -0600 (MDT), Borked Pseudo Mailed
<Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:

> I find it fascinating that, so far, no one seems to want to address this first
>question, perhaps afraid that the all powerful Google overlords might drop their
>PR for criticizing them in public?

Both your questions were addressed, you apparently don't want to accept the
answers.

1) Blackhole all google messages.

2) Botnets, or Zombie networks are nothing new and use regular "campaign"
updates from their handlers to send out spam in *all* its forms.

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john sumner <> wrote in
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> Rick Merrill wrote:
>> Yes, it is because the usenet supports anonymity all too easily. Many
>> ISP want to divest themselves of Usenet alltogether - it's a path for
>> more criminal intent than mere spam, not to mention trolls, and the
>> user places the blame on the ISP, who cannot in fact do squat to stop
>> it.
>
> I think if someone posted a death threat on google groups there are
> ways of finding out who done it, like if it was at a public library or
> something like that

Not if they used something like this

http://eelbash.yi.org:8080/scriptes/remail.php

(or a chain of anonymous remailers and a mail2news gateway) to send it.
In that case they'd be untraceable.

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