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"MassiveProng" <> wrote in
message news:<>. .. > On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 01:04:16 -0400, "Doug MacLean" > <> Gave us: > > >"MassiveProng" <> wrote > >in > >message news:... > >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:18:36 -0700, MassiveProng > >> <> Gave us: > >> > >>>Hey, does the main spreadsheet have the updates, or is that file > >>>needed as well? > >>> > >>>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/dvdlist.htm > >> > >> > >> Hey doug, I noticed that you include disc type, ie HD or BluTurd in > >> the title in parenthesis. > >> > >> Why not add a column for media type? > >> > >> What happened to your logic, man!? > > > >The logic is there. Look in the column 'Verisions' and it lists if > >the DVD > >is UMD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray etc. The format is also listed in the title to be > >consistent with how the disc is named by the studio. > > > >Also, the main file always has the updates. If you download the main > >you are > >up to date. > > > >Doug MacLean > >http://www.hometheaterinfo.com > > > > > Also, on the spreadsheet, you could also "FREEZE" the top line, if > you know how to do that, so it doesn't scroll with the data, and a "Do > I Own It" column could be added so we can use the list as a database. > > Also, having the form factor column would facilitate sorting of the > list for users, as opposed to your keeping it in the title column > which does not support that form of sort at all. > > It wouldn't take much work to make the list far more useful. > > Great list, but it appears, a lazy attitude. > > I suppose ideally a separate list for LD, DVD, HD DVD, and BR would > be the correct way to do it. > > Oh and hey! That would also negate your non-existent copyright or > any claim thereto! > > Compiling a list of publicly available data makes the list a PD > item, regardless of your declared "rights". Let alone the fact that > you would have a really hard time taking to task anyone that made such > a list available in another form, or even a direct copy, for that > matter. > > Why even bother declaring it, since it wouldn't even hold up under > even the most conservative scruti Unfortunately, freezing the field names is not possible in SQL. I use SQL to create the various formats provided and it just sends out a plain XLS file. It also has the potential to interfer with import into some databases. A 'Do I Own' field is not really part of the schema of the data base since it does not relate to the actual data but a downstream client use. Since the data base is now too large for a single spreadsheet most people pull it into Access or some other data base program. I know form talking to some of them that they have a field for personal ownership on their end and import and merge the data into that table. Another way to handle it would be to use the unique identifier and use that to link a table of your personal collection with the data base. Just create a table with the Unique ID in it and only place entries in the table if you own it. I use something like this to track my own collection. Since we do not have access for a comprehensive list of LD we don't include them. Maintaining separate lists of all the new format variations would be very time intensive so we just include them as variation of DVDs. If you are using Excel you can turn on auto-filter and use the custom filter to isolate a give format. For example to find all HD-DVD just set versions to 'contains HD-DVD'. We are planning to include a format flag but that would change the schema and we do have some licensed clients that pull our files and we have to coordinate any change with them. It also will required some code changes in the procedures that process and export the tables. It's not difficult it just takes time to write and test and Michael and I both have real jobs that pay the bills that does cut into our development time for this. ;-> As for the copyright it is not the data but the format and backend code that is covered. Sure anyone can get this data by culling through a bunch of sites but having it in the format provided is subject to copywrite. In this case it is the "form of material expression" that is subject to copywrite not the actual data. We have numerous vetting routines that have detected a lot of errors in the published particulars of some titles. Since we only ask for payment if another site is using the data base for profit there is really no problem. We have had a few times where sites were using out list for profit without even an acknowledgment and in each case the ISP of the site supported our request for the small payment and a link. A lot of hard work goes into this list and all we ask is a very minimal fee and a link back. Since this is not really a topic within the scope of this forum I would be glad to discuss this at any length you want. Just write me with a valid email address and we can go over any aspect of this you want. In any case thank you for your suggestions we will try to get the format field included as soon as possible. Doug MacLean http://www.hometheaterinfo.com Doug MacLean |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:05:28 -0400, "Doug MacLean"
<> Gave us: >"MassiveProng" <> wrote in >message news:<>. .. > >> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 01:04:16 -0400, "Doug MacLean" > >> <> Gave us: > >> > >> >"MassiveProng" <> wrote > >> >in > >> >message news:... > >> >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:18:36 -0700, MassiveProng > >> >> <> Gave us: > >> >> > >> >>>Hey, does the main spreadsheet have the updates, or is that file > >> >>>needed as well? > >> >>> > >> >>>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/dvdlist.htm > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Hey doug, I noticed that you include disc type, ie HD or BluTurd in > >> >> the title in parenthesis. > >> >> > >> >> Why not add a column for media type? > >> >> > >> >> What happened to your logic, man!? > >> > > >> >The logic is there. Look in the column 'Verisions' and it lists if > >> >the DVD > >> >is UMD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray etc. The format is also listed in the title to be > >> >consistent with how the disc is named by the studio. > >> > > >> >Also, the main file always has the updates. If you download the main > >> >you are > >> >up to date. > >> > > >> >Doug MacLean > >> >http://www.hometheaterinfo.com > >> > > >> > >> > >> Also, on the spreadsheet, you could also "FREEZE" the top line, if > >> you know how to do that, so it doesn't scroll with the data, and a "Do > >> I Own It" column could be added so we can use the list as a database. > >> > >> Also, having the form factor column would facilitate sorting of the > >> list for users, as opposed to your keeping it in the title column > >> which does not support that form of sort at all. > >> > >> It wouldn't take much work to make the list far more useful. > >> > >> Great list, but it appears, a lazy attitude. > >> > >> I suppose ideally a separate list for LD, DVD, HD DVD, and BR would > >> be the correct way to do it. > >> > >> Oh and hey! That would also negate your non-existent copyright or > >> any claim thereto! > >> > >> Compiling a list of publicly available data makes the list a PD > >> item, regardless of your declared "rights". Let alone the fact that > >> you would have a really hard time taking to task anyone that made such > >> a list available in another form, or even a direct copy, for that > >> matter. > >> > >> Why even bother declaring it, since it wouldn't even hold up under > >> even the most conservative scruti > >Unfortunately, freezing the field names is not possible in SQL. I use SQL to >create the various formats provided and it just sends out a plain XLS file. >It also has the potential to interfer with import into some databases. A 'Do >I Own' field is not really part of the schema of the data base since it does >not relate to the actual data but a downstream client use. Since the data >base is now too large for a single spreadsheet most people pull it into >Access or some other data base program. I know form talking to some of them >that they have a field for personal ownership on their end and import and >merge the data into that table. Another way to handle it would be to use the >unique identifier and use that to link a table of your personal collection >with the data base. Just create a table with the Unique ID in it and only >place entries in the table if you own it. I use something like this to track >my own collection. > >Since we do not have access for a comprehensive list of LD we don't include >them. Maintaining separate lists of all the new format variations would be >very time intensive so we just include them as variation of DVDs. If you are >using Excel you can turn on auto-filter and use the custom filter to isolate >a give format. For example to find all HD-DVD just set versions to 'contains >HD-DVD'. We are planning to include a format flag but that would change the >schema and we do have some licensed clients that pull our files and we have >to coordinate any change with them. It also will required some code changes >in the procedures that process and export the tables. It's not difficult it >just takes time to write and test and Michael and I both have real jobs that >pay the bills that does cut into our development time for this. ;-> > >As for the copyright it is not the data but the format and backend code that >is covered. Sure anyone can get this data by culling through a bunch of >sites but having it in the format provided is subject to copywrite. In this >case it is the "form of material expression" that is subject to copywrite >not the actual data. We have numerous vetting routines that have detected a >lot of errors in the published particulars of some titles. Since we only ask >for payment if another site is using the data base for profit there is >really no problem. We have had a few times where sites were using out list >for profit without even an acknowledgment and in each case the ISP of the >site supported our request for the small payment and a link. A lot of hard >work goes into this list and all we ask is a very minimal fee and a link >back. Since this is not really a topic within the scope of this forum I >would be glad to discuss this at any length you want. Just write me with a >valid email address and we can go over any aspect of this you want. > >In any case thank you for your suggestions we will try to get the format >field included as soon as possible. > >Doug MacLean Thank you for the very informative, intelligent response. Setting up a database would be a a pain in the ass for me, time wise, but would seem to be better than going through the entire list with search tools. Let the database do it! Good call. I am sure there are some out there already set up too. Perhaps I can find out, and you could add links to them in your page that allow a person to grab both your list, and the DB app that allows a more featured utilization thereof. Again, thanks for the full featured response. MassiveProng |
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"MassiveProng" <> wrote in
message news:... > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:05:28 -0400, "Doug MacLean" > <> Gave us: > >>"MassiveProng" <> wrote in >>message news:<>. .. >> >>> On Tue, 3 Apr 2007 01:04:16 -0400, "Doug MacLean" >> >>> <> Gave us: >> >>> >> >>> >"MassiveProng" <> wrote >> >>> >in >> >>> >message news:... >> >>> >> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:18:36 -0700, MassiveProng >> >>> >> <> Gave us: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>>Hey, does the main spreadsheet have the updates, or is that file >> >>> >>>needed as well? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/dvdlist.htm >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Hey doug, I noticed that you include disc type, ie HD or BluTurd in >> >>> >> the title in parenthesis. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> Why not add a column for media type? >> >>> >> >> >>> >> What happened to your logic, man!? >> >>> > >> >>> >The logic is there. Look in the column 'Verisions' and it lists if >> >>> >the DVD >> >>> >is UMD, HD-DVD, Blu-ray etc. The format is also listed in the title to >>> >be >> >>> >consistent with how the disc is named by the studio. >> >>> > >> >>> >Also, the main file always has the updates. If you download the main >> >>> >you are >> >>> >up to date. >> >>> > >> >>> >Doug MacLean >> >>> >http://www.hometheaterinfo.com >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Also, on the spreadsheet, you could also "FREEZE" the top line, if >> >>> you know how to do that, so it doesn't scroll with the data, and a "Do >> >>> I Own It" column could be added so we can use the list as a database. >> >>> >> >>> Also, having the form factor column would facilitate sorting of the >> >>> list for users, as opposed to your keeping it in the title column >> >>> which does not support that form of sort at all. >> >>> >> >>> It wouldn't take much work to make the list far more useful. >> >>> >> >>> Great list, but it appears, a lazy attitude. >> >>> >> >>> I suppose ideally a separate list for LD, DVD, HD DVD, and BR would >> >>> be the correct way to do it. >> >>> >> >>> Oh and hey! That would also negate your non-existent copyright or >> >>> any claim thereto! >> >>> >> >>> Compiling a list of publicly available data makes the list a PD >> >>> item, regardless of your declared "rights". Let alone the fact that >> >>> you would have a really hard time taking to task anyone that made such >> >>> a list available in another form, or even a direct copy, for that >> >>> matter. >> >>> >> >>> Why even bother declaring it, since it wouldn't even hold up under >> >>> even the most conservative scruti >> >>Unfortunately, freezing the field names is not possible in SQL. I use SQL >>to >>create the various formats provided and it just sends out a plain XLS >>file. >>It also has the potential to interfer with import into some databases. A >>'Do >>I Own' field is not really part of the schema of the data base since it >>does >>not relate to the actual data but a downstream client use. Since the data >>base is now too large for a single spreadsheet most people pull it into >>Access or some other data base program. I know form talking to some of >>them >>that they have a field for personal ownership on their end and import and >>merge the data into that table. Another way to handle it would be to use >>the >>unique identifier and use that to link a table of your personal collection >>with the data base. Just create a table with the Unique ID in it and only >>place entries in the table if you own it. I use something like this to >>track >>my own collection. >> >>Since we do not have access for a comprehensive list of LD we don't >>include >>them. Maintaining separate lists of all the new format variations would be >>very time intensive so we just include them as variation of DVDs. If you >>are >>using Excel you can turn on auto-filter and use the custom filter to >>isolate >>a give format. For example to find all HD-DVD just set versions to >>'contains >>HD-DVD'. We are planning to include a format flag but that would change >>the >>schema and we do have some licensed clients that pull our files and we >>have >>to coordinate any change with them. It also will required some code >>changes >>in the procedures that process and export the tables. It's not difficult >>it >>just takes time to write and test and Michael and I both have real jobs >>that >>pay the bills that does cut into our development time for this. ;-> >> >>As for the copyright it is not the data but the format and backend code >>that >>is covered. Sure anyone can get this data by culling through a bunch of >>sites but having it in the format provided is subject to copywrite. In >>this >>case it is the "form of material expression" that is subject to copywrite >>not the actual data. We have numerous vetting routines that have detected >>a >>lot of errors in the published particulars of some titles. Since we only >>ask >>for payment if another site is using the data base for profit there is >>really no problem. We have had a few times where sites were using out list >>for profit without even an acknowledgment and in each case the ISP of the >>site supported our request for the small payment and a link. A lot of hard >>work goes into this list and all we ask is a very minimal fee and a link >>back. Since this is not really a topic within the scope of this forum I >>would be glad to discuss this at any length you want. Just write me with a >>valid email address and we can go over any aspect of this you want. >> >>In any case thank you for your suggestions we will try to get the format >>field included as soon as possible. >> >>Doug MacLean > > Thank you for the very informative, intelligent response. > > Setting up a database would be a a pain in the ass for me, time wise, > but would seem to be better than going through the entire list with > search tools. Let the database do it! > > Good call. I am sure there are some out there already set up too. > > Perhaps I can find out, and you could add links to them in your page > that allow a person to grab both your list, and the DB app that allows > a more featured utilization thereof. > > Again, thanks for the full featured response. Always glad to help out in any way I can. If you need any assistance in setting things up on your side please just give a shout and I'll do what you can. Also, thank you for your understanding. Michael and I don't do this for money just out of our enjoyment of DVDs and data bases. Odd combinations considering I manage data bases in my real job. Any change takes time to push through 108,000 records. It took almost a year to populate the UPC/EAN field since our data entry is mostly manual due to how the studios provide the data. Let me know and I'll gladly show you how I use a look up table to link the DVD data base with my own collection. 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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:07:04 -0400, "Doug MacLean"
<> Gave us: >Always glad to help out in any way I can. If you need any assistance in >setting things up on your side please just give a shout and I'll do what >you can. Do you happen to have an Access front end or template for one that you could also post on your site? (or did I just not look hard enough?) :-] MassiveProng |
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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:07:04 -0400, "Doug MacLean"
<> Gave us: >It took almost a year to populate the UPC/EAN >field since our data entry is mostly manual due to how the studios provide >the data. Let me know and I'll gladly show you how I use a look up table to >link the DVD data base with my own collection. I used to do DB devel. AND single entry on large tables! I can actually stand over a data entry "ho's" (Imus sucks) shoulder, and type pretty good with either single free hand (guess where the other hand was)... Heheheh just kidding... MassiveProng |
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"MassiveProng" <> wrote in
message news:... > On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:07:04 -0400, "Doug MacLean" > <> Gave us: > >>Always glad to help out in any way I can. If you need any assistance in >>setting things up on your side please just give a shout and I'll do what >>you can. > > > Do you happen to have an Access front end or template for one that > you could also post on your site? (or did I just not look hard > enough?) :-] I do have the schema listed online if that would help. It lists the particualrs of the main and new/change tables http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/schema.htm Let me know if this helps. Doug MacLean http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/ Doug MacLean |
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:46:35 -0400, "Doug MacLean"
<> Gave us: >"MassiveProng" <> wrote in >message news:... >> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:07:04 -0400, "Doug MacLean" >> <> Gave us: >> >>>Always glad to help out in any way I can. If you need any assistance in >>>setting things up on your side please just give a shout and I'll do what >>>you can. >> >> >> Do you happen to have an Access front end or template for one that >> you could also post on your site? (or did I just not look hard >> enough?) :-] > > I do have the schema listed online if that would help. It lists the >particualrs of the main and new/change tables > >http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/schema.htm > >Let me know if this helps. > >Doug MacLean >http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/ > > > > Thanks. I'll be sticking with the excel sheet and access, since MS allows use thereof. I was hoping for something like "Movie Library" from cd software solutions, but I won't be paying that turkey $40 for it! He allows front cover images and whatnot, and it is supposedly an access based database. Heh! Maybe I should take your baseline schema and write one, and give you the template for it to critique and put on your site if worthy... :-] MassiveProng |
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"MassiveProng" <> wrote in
message news:... > On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:46:35 -0400, "Doug MacLean" > <> Gave us: > >>"MassiveProng" <> wrote in >>message news:... >>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:07:04 -0400, "Doug MacLean" >>> <> Gave us: >>> >>>>Always glad to help out in any way I can. If you need any assistance in >>>>setting things up on your side please just give a shout and I'll do >>>>what >>>>you can. >>> >>> >>> Do you happen to have an Access front end or template for one that >>> you could also post on your site? (or did I just not look hard >>> enough?) :-] >> >> I do have the schema listed online if that would help. It lists the >>particualrs of the main and new/change tables >> >>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/schema.htm >> >>Let me know if this helps. >> >>Doug MacLean >>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/ >> >> >> >> > Thanks. I'll be sticking with the excel sheet and access, since MS > allows use thereof. > > I was hoping for something like "Movie Library" from cd software > solutions, but I won't be paying that turkey $40 for it! > > He allows front cover images and whatnot, and it is supposedly an > access based database. > > Heh! Maybe I should take your baseline schema and write one, and > give you the template for it to critique and put on your site if > worthy... :-] Sure, I'm game. Doug MacLean http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/ Doug MacLean |
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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:26:46 -0400, "Doug MacLean"
<> wrote: >"MassiveProng" <> wrote in >message news:... >> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:46:35 -0400, "Doug MacLean" >> <> Gave us: >> >>>"MassiveProng" <> wrote in >>>message news:... >>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:07:04 -0400, "Doug MacLean" >>>> <> Gave us: >>>> >>>>>Always glad to help out in any way I can. If you need any assistance in >>>>>setting things up on your side please just give a shout and I'll do >>>>>what >>>>>you can. >>>> >>>> >>>> Do you happen to have an Access front end or template for one that >>>> you could also post on your site? (or did I just not look hard >>>> enough?) :-] >>> >>> I do have the schema listed online if that would help. It lists the >>>particualrs of the main and new/change tables >>> >>>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/schema.htm >>> >>>Let me know if this helps. >>> >>>Doug MacLean >>>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks. I'll be sticking with the excel sheet and access, since MS >> allows use thereof. >> >> I was hoping for something like "Movie Library" from cd software >> solutions, but I won't be paying that turkey $40 for it! >> >> He allows front cover images and whatnot, and it is supposedly an >> access based database. >> >> Heh! Maybe I should take your baseline schema and write one, and >> give you the template for it to critique and put on your site if >> worthy... :-] > >Sure, I'm game. > >Doug MacLean >http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/ > Doug, I found a way to get your entire database in one reference, without having to split it up into two sheets. Problem is, the only way I could get it to you is to post it in a binary group like alt.binaries.misc, which is a public posting. It is 31MB instead of your 28MB. The key thing now though is that the first sheet is a lookup table where one ID is put in, and all the data auto-fills. I could not get this to work in Access, but I am not a big Access guy, or it would likely be easy. I also want to add a field where an image of the disc auto-fills in an area set aside for that purpose. I left such an area, but as yet am unable to get the auto-fill feature to point to an image file. Let me know if it is OK to post it, and I will arrange a date to do so where you will be ready to download it from the Usenet group I put it into. Otherwise, I can post a screen shot of the auto-fill page, and maybe entice you a bit. :-] The Great Attractor |
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 02:07:01 -0700, The Great Attractor
<SuperM@ssiveBlackHoleAtTheCenterOfTheMilkyWayGala xy.org> wrote: >On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:26:46 -0400, "Doug MacLean" ><> wrote: > >>"MassiveProng" <> wrote in >>message news:... >>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 01:46:35 -0400, "Doug MacLean" >>> <> Gave us: >>> >>>>"MassiveProng" <> wrote in >>>>message news:... >>>>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 15:07:04 -0400, "Doug MacLean" >>>>> <> Gave us: >>>>> >>>>>>Always glad to help out in any way I can. If you need any assistance in >>>>>>setting things up on your side please just give a shout and I'll do >>>>>>what >>>>>>you can. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do you happen to have an Access front end or template for one that >>>>> you could also post on your site? (or did I just not look hard >>>>> enough?) :-] >>>> >>>> I do have the schema listed online if that would help. It lists the >>>>particualrs of the main and new/change tables >>>> >>>>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/schema.htm >>>> >>>>Let me know if this helps. >>>> >>>>Doug MacLean >>>>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks. I'll be sticking with the excel sheet and access, since MS >>> allows use thereof. >>> >>> I was hoping for something like "Movie Library" from cd software >>> solutions, but I won't be paying that turkey $40 for it! >>> >>> He allows front cover images and whatnot, and it is supposedly an >>> access based database. >>> >>> Heh! Maybe I should take your baseline schema and write one, and >>> give you the template for it to critique and put on your site if >>> worthy... :-] >> >>Sure, I'm game. >> >>Doug MacLean >>http://www.hometheaterinfo.com/ >> > > Doug, > > I found a way to get your entire database in one reference, without >having to split it up into two sheets. > > Problem is, the only way I could get it to you is to post it in a binary >group like alt.binaries.misc, which is a public posting. > > It is 31MB instead of your 28MB. > > The key thing now though is that the first sheet is a lookup table >where one ID is put in, and all the data auto-fills. > > I could not get this to work in Access, but I am not a big Access guy, >or it would likely be easy. > > I also want to add a field where an image of the disc auto-fills in an >area set aside for that purpose. I left such an area, but as yet am >unable to get the auto-fill feature to point to an image file. > > Let me know if it is OK to post it, and I will arrange a date to do so >where you will be ready to download it from the Usenet group I put it >into. Otherwise, I can post a screen shot of the auto-fill page, and >maybe entice you a bit. :-] Screenshot posted to alt.binaries.misc as "DVD Database Screenshot for Doug" The Great Attractor |
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