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DVDs - "Blanks" and "Fully Erased" ... What's the difference?

 
 
Ron
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      03-30-2007

Hi! .....
My "Pioneer" 'DVR-310' DVD Recorder accepts
and records to "DVD-R" and "DVD-RW" disks
provided they are brand new *blanks*.
It, however, rejects used DVD-RW disks if
they have been used to record computer data,
movies or anything else on another computer
or DVD recorder earlier.
This rejection of the DVD-RW by the Pioneer
unit happens even when the (used) DVD-RW disk
is fully reformatted (using "InCD" full format)
or even after erasing the whole DVD-RW disk (using
'Nero').
Anyone know why?
Is there any utility that can get a used DVD-RW
back to its' original "blank" condition... sort
of like "fdisk" dvd ?
Thanks for any help or suggestions.

 
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Stan
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      03-30-2007
Ron <> wrote in
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>
> Hi! .....
> My "Pioneer" 'DVR-310' DVD Recorder accepts
> and records to "DVD-R" and "DVD-RW" disks
> provided they are brand new *blanks*.
> It, however, rejects used DVD-RW disks if
> they have been used to record computer data,
> movies or anything else on another computer
> or DVD recorder earlier.

Doesn't the Pioneer have a built-in function to erase or format RW disks?
 
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Ron
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      03-30-2007
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:04:51 GMT, Stan <> wrote:

>Ron <> wrote in
>news: :
>
>>
>> Hi! .....
>> My "Pioneer" 'DVR-310' DVD Recorder accepts
>> and records to "DVD-R" and "DVD-RW" disks
>> provided they are brand new *blanks*.
>> It, however, rejects used DVD-RW disks if
>> they have been used to record computer data,
>> movies or anything else on another computer
>> or DVD recorder earlier.

>Doesn't the Pioneer have a built-in function to erase or format RW disks?


No, it does not have either "erase" or "format" functions.
What it does when you put in a new *blank* DVD-RW is
to "auto initialize" the blank DVD-RW media. Once the
Pioneer Digital Video Recorder has done this, ther are
many editing functions that can be selected to delete,
rename, (etc) your video clips...... then, when the media
is nearly full, you can "finalize" it and you have your
completed DVD.

 
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GMAN
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      03-30-2007
In article <>, Ron <> wrote:
>
>Hi! .....
>My "Pioneer" 'DVR-310' DVD Recorder accepts
>and records to "DVD-R" and "DVD-RW" disks
>provided they are brand new *blanks*.
>It, however, rejects used DVD-RW disks if
>they have been used to record computer data,
>movies or anything else on another computer
>or DVD recorder earlier.
>This rejection of the DVD-RW by the Pioneer
>unit happens even when the (used) DVD-RW disk
>is fully reformatted (using "InCD" full format)
>or even after erasing the whole DVD-RW disk (using
>'Nero').
>Anyone know why?
>Is there any utility that can get a used DVD-RW
>back to its' original "blank" condition... sort
>of like "fdisk" dvd ?
>Thanks for any help or suggestions.
>

The format routine built into the DVD Standalone recorder should offer to do
this.
 
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GMAN
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      03-30-2007
In article <>, Ron <> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:04:51 GMT, Stan <> wrote:
>
>>Ron <> wrote in
>>news: m:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi! .....
>>> My "Pioneer" 'DVR-310' DVD Recorder accepts
>>> and records to "DVD-R" and "DVD-RW" disks
>>> provided they are brand new *blanks*.
>>> It, however, rejects used DVD-RW disks if
>>> they have been used to record computer data,
>>> movies or anything else on another computer
>>> or DVD recorder earlier.

>>Doesn't the Pioneer have a built-in function to erase or format RW disks?

>
>No, it does not have either "erase" or "format" functions.
>What it does when you put in a new *blank* DVD-RW is
>to "auto initialize" the blank DVD-RW media. Once the
>Pioneer Digital Video Recorder has done this, ther are
>many editing functions that can be selected to delete,
>rename, (etc) your video clips...... then, when the media
>is nearly full, you can "finalize" it and you have your
>completed DVD.
>

There has to be some sort of internal menu with a format function.

 
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Rick Merrill
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      03-30-2007
GMAN wrote:
> In article <>, Ron <> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:04:51 GMT, Stan <> wrote:
>>
>>> Ron <> wrote in
>>> news::
>>>
>>>> Hi! .....
>>>> My "Pioneer" 'DVR-310' DVD Recorder accepts
>>>> and records to "DVD-R" and "DVD-RW" disks
>>>> provided they are brand new *blanks*.
>>>> It, however, rejects used DVD-RW disks if
>>>> they have been used to record computer data,
>>>> movies or anything else on another computer
>>>> or DVD recorder earlier.
>>> Doesn't the Pioneer have a built-in function to erase or format RW disks?

>> No, it does not have either "erase" or "format" functions.
>> What it does when you put in a new *blank* DVD-RW is
>> to "auto initialize" the blank DVD-RW media. Once the
>> Pioneer Digital Video Recorder has done this, ther are
>> many editing functions that can be selected to delete,
>> rename, (etc) your video clips...... then, when the media
>> is nearly full, you can "finalize" it and you have your
>> completed DVD.
>>

> There has to be some sort of internal menu with a format function.
>


I'm sure there is: "format?" yes, "are you sure?" yes,
"start?" yes , whew!

 
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Ron
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      03-31-2007
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:03:21 GMT,
(GMAN) wrote:

>In article <>, Ron <> wrote:
>>On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:04:51 GMT, Stan <> wrote:
>>
>>>Ron <> wrote in
>>>news: :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi! .....
>>>> My "Pioneer" 'DVR-310' DVD Recorder accepts
>>>> and records to "DVD-R" and "DVD-RW" disks
>>>> provided they are brand new *blanks*.
>>>> It, however, rejects used DVD-RW disks if
>>>> they have been used to record computer data,
>>>> movies or anything else on another computer
>>>> or DVD recorder earlier.
>>>Doesn't the Pioneer have a built-in function to erase or format RW disks?

>>
>>No, it does not have either "erase" or "format" functions.
>>What it does when you put in a new *blank* DVD-RW is
>>to "auto initialize" the blank DVD-RW media. Once the
>>Pioneer Digital Video Recorder has done this, ther are
>>many editing functions that can be selected to delete,
>>rename, (etc) your video clips...... then, when the media
>>is nearly full, you can "finalize" it and you have your
>>completed DVD.
>>

>There has to be some sort of internal menu with a format function.


There *are* internal Menu functions... one of which is
"Disk Setup" ..... Manually selecting this option lets
you choose to "Initialize", "Finalize" and "Undo Finalize"
...... non of these functions function <S> except when a
new blank DVD-RW ( or a DVD-RW that had originally
been initialized by this Pioneer DVR ) is used.
I've tried formatting and/or wiping using "Nero", "InCD"
and "Alcohol-120%" ... but the Pioneer does not accept
the 'prepaired' DVD-RWs for normal processing.
these
I believe a utility that gets rid of *all* TOC and all sector/
formatting/finalizing info while wiping the DVD-RW would
enable pre used DVD-RWs to be recordable on the
Pioneer DVR.
 
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MassiveProng
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      03-31-2007
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:49:53 +0800, Ron <> Gave
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>Hi! .....
>My "Pioneer"



The difference is that alt.video.dvd is the WRONG GROUP for disc
burning questions, dipshit!
 
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Ian Jackson
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      03-31-2007
In message <>, MassiveProng
<> writes
>On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 02:49:53 +0800, Ron <> Gave
>us:
>
>>Hi! .....
>>My "Pioneer"

>
>
> The difference is that alt.video.dvd is the WRONG GROUP for disc
>burning questions, dipshit!


Anyone got a copy of the charter?
Ian.
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Jan B
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      03-31-2007
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:15:50 +0800, Ron <>
wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:04:51 GMT, Stan <> wrote:
>
>>Ron <> wrote in
>>news: m:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi! .....
>>> My "Pioneer" 'DVR-310' DVD Recorder accepts
>>> and records to "DVD-R" and "DVD-RW" disks
>>> provided they are brand new *blanks*.
>>> It, however, rejects used DVD-RW disks if
>>> they have been used to record computer data,
>>> movies or anything else on another computer
>>> or DVD recorder earlier.

>>Doesn't the Pioneer have a built-in function to erase or format RW disks?

>
>No, it does not have either "erase" or "format" functions.
>What it does when you put in a new *blank* DVD-RW is
>to "auto initialize" the blank DVD-RW media. Once the
>Pioneer Digital Video Recorder has done this, ther are
>many editing functions that can be selected to delete,
>rename, (etc) your video clips...... then, when the media
>is nearly full, you can "finalize" it and you have your
>completed DVD.


I'm not familiar with Pioneer, but I also notice that erasing the disc
on the computer (quick or full using any of InCD Erase, Plextor
utility, Nero Burning ROM) does not make it look new to the
stand-alone recorder.

It's not a big problem on my Philips (DVDR70) because it gives me the
option to quickly erase the disc with "unknown data" when I put it in.

What you should look for is a manual erase function.
On the Philips it is done by having the tray open and keep pressing
the "Clear" button on the remote for 10 seconds.

I guess you have tried the manual Initialize command under "Disc
Setup".

/Jan
 
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