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Arnie
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      05-02-2006
Hi all,

We have a couple of 32 bit services. Can they run on the 64 bit
OS (X64/EMT chips) or do they have to be ported to 64 bit?

Thanks,
- Arnie


 
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]
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      05-02-2006
They need to be ported to 64-bit to work.
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"Arnie" <none> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi all,
>
> We have a couple of 32 bit services. Can they run on the 64 bit OS
> (X64/EMT chips) or do they have to be ported to 64 bit?
>
> Thanks,
> - Arnie
>



 
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Arnie
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      05-02-2006
Bad news, but thanks anyway Andre.

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in
message news:...
> They need to be ported to 64-bit to work.
> --
> --
> Andre
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>
> "Arnie" <none> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Hi all,
>>
>> We have a couple of 32 bit services. Can they run on the 64
>> bit OS (X64/EMT chips) or do they have to be ported to 64 bit?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Arnie
>>

>
>



 
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=?Utf-8?B?Q2FybG9z?=
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      05-02-2006
Arnie:
I'm not quite sure about 32-bit services not running on x64.
Winvnc (a.k.a. RealVNC) installs a 32-bit services which runs on x64 with no
problems.
So, there exists at least one that works.
Will there be others?
Carlos

"Arnie" wrote:

> Bad news, but thanks anyway Andre.
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in
> message news:...
> > They need to be ported to 64-bit to work.
> > --
> > --
> > Andre
> > Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> >
> > "Arnie" <none> wrote in message
> > news:...
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> We have a couple of 32 bit services. Can they run on the 64
> >> bit OS (X64/EMT chips) or do they have to be ported to 64 bit?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> - Arnie
> >>

> >
> >

>
>
>

 
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]
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      05-02-2006
I guess it probably depends on the type of service, if the Service is device
driver dependent, then it will need to be 64-bit, if its software based,
then I don't see why it cannot run on x64.
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"Carlos" <> wrote in message
news:5DF0E7CC-034D-4071-8981-...
> Arnie:
> I'm not quite sure about 32-bit services not running on x64.
> Winvnc (a.k.a. RealVNC) installs a 32-bit services which runs on x64 with
> no
> problems.
> So, there exists at least one that works.
> Will there be others?
> Carlos
>
> "Arnie" wrote:
>
>> Bad news, but thanks anyway Andre.
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in
>> message news:...
>> > They need to be ported to 64-bit to work.
>> > --
>> > --
>> > Andre
>> > Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> >
>> > "Arnie" <none> wrote in message
>> > news:...
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> We have a couple of 32 bit services. Can they run on the 64
>> >> bit OS (X64/EMT chips) or do they have to be ported to 64 bit?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> - Arnie
>> >>
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>>



 
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Chris Kushnir
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      05-02-2006
32bit services will run, i have one i've written for a client and i
run/debug it under Win2003 R2 x64.

A service is just a program that has a defined interface that allows it to
receive messages from the service manager (telling it to start, stop, be
notified of hardware changes, ...).

The service does not run 'within' the service manager, it is spawned as a
distinct process that can be viewed in Task Manager.
As such, even though the service manager is 64bit it can spawn either 32 or
64bit services.

A service is still bound by the normal rules of an app though - a 32bit app
can only use 32bit dlls, and 64bit apps can only use 64bit dlls.


cmk


 
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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]
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      05-02-2006
Well, I don't know, I think its time for Charlie and Darrell to come clear
this up.
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"Chris Kushnir" <> wrote in message
news:...
> 32bit services will run, i have one i've written for a client and i
> run/debug it under Win2003 R2 x64.
>
> A service is just a program that has a defined interface that allows it to
> receive messages from the service manager (telling it to start, stop, be
> notified of hardware changes, ...).
>
> The service does not run 'within' the service manager, it is spawned as a
> distinct process that can be viewed in Task Manager.
> As such, even though the service manager is 64bit it can spawn either 32
> or 64bit services.
>
> A service is still bound by the normal rules of an app though - a 32bit
> app can only use 32bit dlls, and 64bit apps can only use 64bit dlls.
>
>
> cmk
>
>



 
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Admiral Q
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      05-02-2006
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
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>I guess it probably depends on the type of service, if the Service is
>device driver dependent, then it will need to be 64-bit, if its software
>based, then I don't see why it cannot run on x64.
> --
> --
> Andre
> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>
> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
> news:5DF0E7CC-034D-4071-8981-...
>> Arnie:
>> I'm not quite sure about 32-bit services not running on x64.
>> Winvnc (a.k.a. RealVNC) installs a 32-bit services which runs on x64 with
>> no
>> problems.
>> So, there exists at least one that works.
>> Will there be others?
>> Carlos
>>
>> "Arnie" wrote:
>>
>>> Bad news, but thanks anyway Andre.
>>>
>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in
>>> message news:...
>>> > They need to be ported to 64-bit to work.
>>> > --
>>> > --
>>> > Andre
>>> > Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>> >
>>> > "Arnie" <none> wrote in message
>>> > news:...
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> We have a couple of 32 bit services. Can they run on the 64
>>> >> bit OS (X64/EMT chips) or do they have to be ported to 64 bit?
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> - Arnie
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>

>
>


Andre,
I'd tend to agree, depending on what the service is for - software
x64/x86 shouldn't matter, for a hardware driver/interface I'd venture x64
would be what you need.

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64]
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      05-03-2006
Yeah, I just wish we could get a little reassurance from Charlie or Darrell.
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"Admiral Q" <Star_Fleet_Admiral_Q[spam-me-not]@[don't-you-dare]hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:...
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>>I guess it probably depends on the type of service, if the Service is
>>device driver dependent, then it will need to be 64-bit, if its software
>>based, then I don't see why it cannot run on x64.
>> --
>> --
>> Andre
>> Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>
>> "Carlos" <> wrote in message
>> news:5DF0E7CC-034D-4071-8981-...
>>> Arnie:
>>> I'm not quite sure about 32-bit services not running on x64.
>>> Winvnc (a.k.a. RealVNC) installs a 32-bit services which runs on x64
>>> with no
>>> problems.
>>> So, there exists at least one that works.
>>> Will there be others?
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>> "Arnie" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bad news, but thanks anyway Andre.
>>>>
>>>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in
>>>> message news:...
>>>> > They need to be ported to 64-bit to work.
>>>> > --
>>>> > --
>>>> > Andre
>>>> > Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com
>>>> > Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>>> > Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>>> > http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>> >
>>>> > "Arnie" <none> wrote in message
>>>> > news:...
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We have a couple of 32 bit services. Can they run on the 64
>>>> >> bit OS (X64/EMT chips) or do they have to be ported to 64 bit?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>> >> - Arnie
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

>>
>>

>
> Andre,
> I'd tend to agree, depending on what the service is for - software
> x64/x86 shouldn't matter, for a hardware driver/interface I'd venture x64
> would be what you need.
>
> --
>
> Star Fleet Admiral Q @ your service!
> Google is your friend!
> http://www.google.com
>
>
>



 
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Charlie Russel - MVP
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      05-03-2006
Chris is right. There's no inherent reason that a service can't be 32-bit
that I'm aware of. The only requirement is that anything that runs _at the
kernel level_ needs to be 64-bit. So, if you look at services running on
your machine, you're likely to see that you have 2 .NET Runtime versions.
One 32-bit, one 64-bit. And on my machine, you'll see "TiVo Beacon" running
as a service. And I assure you, they haven't got a 64-bit version! Just
because some thing is a service, doesn't make it inherently kernel mode.

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Andre Da Costa [Extended64] wrote:
> Well, I don't know, I think its time for Charlie and Darrell to come clear
> this up.
> --
>
> "Chris Kushnir" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> 32bit services will run, i have one i've written for a client and i
>> run/debug it under Win2003 R2 x64.
>>
>> A service is just a program that has a defined interface that allows it
>> to receive messages from the service manager (telling it to start, stop,
>> be notified of hardware changes, ...).
>>
>> The service does not run 'within' the service manager, it is spawned as a
>> distinct process that can be viewed in Task Manager.
>> As such, even though the service manager is 64bit it can spawn either 32
>> or 64bit services.
>>
>> A service is still bound by the normal rules of an app though - a 32bit
>> app can only use 32bit dlls, and 64bit apps can only use 64bit dlls.
>>
>>
>> cmk



 
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