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Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD x64.
I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable diffrence to the
performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using 1/2 the
processor?
Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd be
greatful.
Aesc-leah

You did not say what kind of computer you are buying nor did you indicate
what kind of programs you plan to run or what peripherals you plan to use
with the new computer. All of this makes big differences in whether or not
to use XP x64 or stick with 32-bit Windows. Please take a look at the
webcast Charlie Russel did just a few weeks ago:
http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753

Do not confuse the 64-bit processor with the 64-bit operating system. You
should buy a 64-bit processor since for all practical purposes the end of
the 32-bit era for processors is here and everything going forward will be
64-bit.

32-bit XP runs slightly more efficiently on 64-bit computers than it does on
32-bit systems and there is no incompatibility when you run 32-bit Windows
on the newer systems.

It is not necessary to run the 64-bit edition of XP and unless you expect
specific advantages, perhaps you should stick with one of the 32-bit
editions.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"aescleahs" <> wrote in message
news:1BAC2829-E5B4-418B-A0A0-...
> Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD
> x64.
> I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable diffrence to
> the
> performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using 1/2
> the
> processor?
> Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd be
> greatful.
> Aesc-leah

i didnt mention it becuase its not a specific make, im building it from
parts, if you want the full spec then its
AMD x64 3400+
Asus A8N SLI-deluxe
Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX
3Gb RAM

Ill be using it mainly for gaming and ocasionaly programming etc.
as for peripherals a printer, scanner etc.
Ok, so with a 64bit os it can process 64bits in one go, so surely on a 32bit
OS it can only use 1/2 the processor... am i jst being slightly thick and
missing something.
thanks

> You did not say what kind of computer you are buying nor did you indicate
> what kind of programs you plan to run or what peripherals you plan to use
> with the new computer. All of this makes big differences in whether or not
> to use XP x64 or stick with 32-bit Windows. Please take a look at the
> webcast Charlie Russel did just a few weeks ago:
> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753
>
> Do not confuse the 64-bit processor with the 64-bit operating system. You
> should buy a 64-bit processor since for all practical purposes the end of
> the 32-bit era for processors is here and everything going forward will be
> 64-bit.
>
> 32-bit XP runs slightly more efficiently on 64-bit computers than it does on
> 32-bit systems and there is no incompatibility when you run 32-bit Windows
> on the newer systems.
>
> It is not necessary to run the 64-bit edition of XP and unless you expect
> specific advantages, perhaps you should stick with one of the 32-bit
> editions.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
> news:1BAC2829-E5B4-418B-A0A0-...
> > Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD
> > x64.
> > I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable diffrence to
> > the
> > performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using 1/2
> > the
> > processor?
> > Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd be
> > greatful.
> > Aesc-leah
>
>
>

To be honest, you can have 64 bit processor and a 64 bit operating system,
but it won't make much of a significant difference without the 64 bit
applications. I agree with Colin B. though, invest in the processor since
32-bit processors will be kicking the bucket soon, so that when the time
comes to invest in both the native 64 bit applications, peripherals you will
be sure that you are ready.
--
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"aescleahs" <> wrote in message
news:1F1F9B36-8D2A-412F-9E67-...
>i didnt mention it becuase its not a specific make, im building it from
> parts, if you want the full spec then its
> AMD x64 3400+
> Asus A8N SLI-deluxe
> Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX
> 3Gb RAM
>
> Ill be using it mainly for gaming and ocasionaly programming etc.
> as for peripherals a printer, scanner etc.
> Ok, so with a 64bit os it can process 64bits in one go, so surely on a
> 32bit
> OS it can only use 1/2 the processor... am i jst being slightly thick and
> missing something.
> thanks
>
>> You did not say what kind of computer you are buying nor did you indicate
>> what kind of programs you plan to run or what peripherals you plan to use
>> with the new computer. All of this makes big differences in whether or
>> not
>> to use XP x64 or stick with 32-bit Windows. Please take a look at the
>> webcast Charlie Russel did just a few weeks ago:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753
>>
>> Do not confuse the 64-bit processor with the 64-bit operating system.
>> You
>> should buy a 64-bit processor since for all practical purposes the end of
>> the 32-bit era for processors is here and everything going forward will
>> be
>> 64-bit.
>>
>> 32-bit XP runs slightly more efficiently on 64-bit computers than it does
>> on
>> 32-bit systems and there is no incompatibility when you run 32-bit
>> Windows
>> on the newer systems.
>>
>> It is not necessary to run the 64-bit edition of XP and unless you expect
>> specific advantages, perhaps you should stick with one of the 32-bit
>> editions.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
>> news:1BAC2829-E5B4-418B-A0A0-...
>> > Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD
>> > x64.
>> > I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable diffrence
>> > to
>> > the
>> > performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using 1/2
>> > the
>> > processor?
>> > Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd
>> > be
>> > greatful.
>> > Aesc-leah
>>
>>
>>

now im even more confuesed. i thought it was to do with the drivers that
interfaced with windows...
and im aware that 32bits are as good as dead...but thats not the topic of
the question. I asked if there will be a significant increas in performace.
Or id if i stay wit XP 32bit how does it process? two things at once? or is
it only using 32bits out of the 64.
Im not a complete technophobe jst a little bit out of touch with technology
in its cureent state

"Andre Da Costa" wrote:

> To be honest, you can have 64 bit processor and a 64 bit operating system,
> but it won't make much of a significant difference without the 64 bit
> applications. I agree with Colin B. though, invest in the processor since
> 32-bit processors will be kicking the bucket soon, so that when the time
> comes to invest in both the native 64 bit applications, peripherals you will
> be sure that you are ready.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
> news:1F1F9B36-8D2A-412F-9E67-...
> >i didnt mention it becuase its not a specific make, im building it from
> > parts, if you want the full spec then its
> > AMD x64 3400+
> > Asus A8N SLI-deluxe
> > Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX
> > 3Gb RAM
> >
> > Ill be using it mainly for gaming and ocasionaly programming etc.
> > as for peripherals a printer, scanner etc.
> > Ok, so with a 64bit os it can process 64bits in one go, so surely on a
> > 32bit
> > OS it can only use 1/2 the processor... am i jst being slightly thick and
> > missing something.
> > thanks
> >
> >> You did not say what kind of computer you are buying nor did you indicate
> >> what kind of programs you plan to run or what peripherals you plan to use
> >> with the new computer. All of this makes big differences in whether or
> >> not
> >> to use XP x64 or stick with 32-bit Windows. Please take a look at the
> >> webcast Charlie Russel did just a few weeks ago:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753
> >>
> >> Do not confuse the 64-bit processor with the 64-bit operating system.
> >> You
> >> should buy a 64-bit processor since for all practical purposes the end of
> >> the 32-bit era for processors is here and everything going forward will
> >> be
> >> 64-bit.
> >>
> >> 32-bit XP runs slightly more efficiently on 64-bit computers than it does
> >> on
> >> 32-bit systems and there is no incompatibility when you run 32-bit
> >> Windows
> >> on the newer systems.
> >>
> >> It is not necessary to run the 64-bit edition of XP and unless you expect
> >> specific advantages, perhaps you should stick with one of the 32-bit
> >> editions.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> >> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
> >> news:1BAC2829-E5B4-418B-A0A0-...
> >> > Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD
> >> > x64.
> >> > I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable diffrence
> >> > to
> >> > the
> >> > performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using 1/2
> >> > the
> >> > processor?
> >> > Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd
> >> > be
> >> > greatful.
> >> > Aesc-leah
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

You keep asking if you are being slightly thick here. Ask often enough and
somebody may answer that.

It sounds like you are confusing the processor with the memory manager. No,
using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor is not like using half the
processor.

Why are you planning on buying 3GB of ram? Buy 4GB. Or leave it at 2GB to
save money. Also, since you are planning to do gaming, I suggest you look
at an AMD64FX, or go dual core with an AMD64 Athlon x2 4400+ or 4800+.

Since you are building the system, set it up with three drives. One for XP
Pro SP2, one for XP Pro x64 in case you decide to dual boot later, and one
for data.

Whatever, make sure you put in a 500+ Watt PS and that it is SLI ready.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"aescleahs" <> wrote in message
news:1F1F9B36-8D2A-412F-9E67-...
>i didnt mention it becuase its not a specific make, im building it from
> parts, if you want the full spec then its
> AMD x64 3400+
> Asus A8N SLI-deluxe
> Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX
> 3Gb RAM
>
> Ill be using it mainly for gaming and ocasionaly programming etc.
> as for peripherals a printer, scanner etc.
> Ok, so with a 64bit os it can process 64bits in one go, so surely on a
> 32bit
> OS it can only use 1/2 the processor... am i jst being slightly thick and
> missing something.
> thanks
>
>> You did not say what kind of computer you are buying nor did you indicate
>> what kind of programs you plan to run or what peripherals you plan to use
>> with the new computer. All of this makes big differences in whether or
>> not
>> to use XP x64 or stick with 32-bit Windows. Please take a look at the
>> webcast Charlie Russel did just a few weeks ago:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753
>>
>> Do not confuse the 64-bit processor with the 64-bit operating system.
>> You
>> should buy a 64-bit processor since for all practical purposes the end of
>> the 32-bit era for processors is here and everything going forward will
>> be
>> 64-bit.
>>
>> 32-bit XP runs slightly more efficiently on 64-bit computers than it does
>> on
>> 32-bit systems and there is no incompatibility when you run 32-bit
>> Windows
>> on the newer systems.
>>
>> It is not necessary to run the 64-bit edition of XP and unless you expect
>> specific advantages, perhaps you should stick with one of the 32-bit
>> editions.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
>> news:1BAC2829-E5B4-418B-A0A0-...
>> > Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD
>> > x64.
>> > I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable diffrence
>> > to
>> > the
>> > performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using 1/2
>> > the
>> > processor?
>> > Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd
>> > be
>> > greatful.
>> > Aesc-leah
>>
>>
>>

i was planning on going for the FX's later on (money is in short supply)
i may leave the RAM at 2gb for the time being.
and thanks ive been tryin to find that out for ages no one wud give me a
straight answer
">No,
> using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor is not like using half the
> processor."

guess i need to do a bit more research. (still doing A-levels at college)
thanks for being patient
"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> You keep asking if you are being slightly thick here. Ask often enough and
> somebody may answer that.
>
> It sounds like you are confusing the processor with the memory manager. No,
> using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor is not like using half the
> processor.
>
> Why are you planning on buying 3GB of ram? Buy 4GB. Or leave it at 2GB to
> save money. Also, since you are planning to do gaming, I suggest you look
> at an AMD64FX, or go dual core with an AMD64 Athlon x2 4400+ or 4800+.
>
> Since you are building the system, set it up with three drives. One for XP
> Pro SP2, one for XP Pro x64 in case you decide to dual boot later, and one
> for data.
>
> Whatever, make sure you put in a 500+ Watt PS and that it is SLI ready.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
> news:1F1F9B36-8D2A-412F-9E67-...
> >i didnt mention it becuase its not a specific make, im building it from
> > parts, if you want the full spec then its
> > AMD x64 3400+
> > Asus A8N SLI-deluxe
> > Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX
> > 3Gb RAM
> >
> > Ill be using it mainly for gaming and ocasionaly programming etc.
> > as for peripherals a printer, scanner etc.
> > Ok, so with a 64bit os it can process 64bits in one go, so surely on a
> > 32bit
> > OS it can only use 1/2 the processor... am i jst being slightly thick and
> > missing something.
> > thanks
> >
> >> You did not say what kind of computer you are buying nor did you indicate
> >> what kind of programs you plan to run or what peripherals you plan to use
> >> with the new computer. All of this makes big differences in whether or
> >> not
> >> to use XP x64 or stick with 32-bit Windows. Please take a look at the
> >> webcast Charlie Russel did just a few weeks ago:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753
> >>
> >> Do not confuse the 64-bit processor with the 64-bit operating system.
> >> You
> >> should buy a 64-bit processor since for all practical purposes the end of
> >> the 32-bit era for processors is here and everything going forward will
> >> be
> >> 64-bit.
> >>
> >> 32-bit XP runs slightly more efficiently on 64-bit computers than it does
> >> on
> >> 32-bit systems and there is no incompatibility when you run 32-bit
> >> Windows
> >> on the newer systems.
> >>
> >> It is not necessary to run the 64-bit edition of XP and unless you expect
> >> specific advantages, perhaps you should stick with one of the 32-bit
> >> editions.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> >> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
> >> news:1BAC2829-E5B4-418B-A0A0-...
> >> > Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD
> >> > x64.
> >> > I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable diffrence
> >> > to
> >> > the
> >> > performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using 1/2
> >> > the
> >> > processor?
> >> > Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd
> >> > be
> >> > greatful.
> >> > Aesc-leah
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Take a look at the Overview blog I did last week. Mostly it's links to other
information I've created, but they really will help you get oriented on what
the tradeoffs are, who's a good fit for x64 Windows (and who isn't), which
processors are 64bit, etc., etc.

http://msmvps.com/xperts64/archive/2.../29/77166.aspx

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64

aescleahs wrote:
> Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD
> x64. I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable
> diffrence to the performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i
> only b using 1/2 the processor?
> Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd be
> greatful.
> Aesc-leah

A 32-bit OS just doesn't use all of the instruction set available on a
64-bit processor. However, all of the expected 32-bit instructions are
available as before.

--
Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
(Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
"aescleahs" <> wrote in message
news:68FD58C7-E219-4A6E-BAFE-...
>i was planning on going for the FX's later on (money is in short supply)
> i may leave the RAM at 2gb for the time being.
> and thanks ive been tryin to find that out for ages no one wud give me
> a
> straight answer
> ">No,
> > using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor is not like using half the
> > processor."
>
> guess i need to do a bit more research. (still doing A-levels at college)
> thanks for being patient
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> You keep asking if you are being slightly thick here. Ask often enough
>> and
>> somebody may answer that.
>>
>> It sounds like you are confusing the processor with the memory manager.
>> No,
>> using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor is not like using half the
>> processor.
>>
>> Why are you planning on buying 3GB of ram? Buy 4GB. Or leave it at 2GB
>> to
>> save money. Also, since you are planning to do gaming, I suggest you
>> look
>> at an AMD64FX, or go dual core with an AMD64 Athlon x2 4400+ or 4800+.
>>
>> Since you are building the system, set it up with three drives. One for
>> XP
>> Pro SP2, one for XP Pro x64 in case you decide to dual boot later, and
>> one
>> for data.
>>
>> Whatever, make sure you put in a 500+ Watt PS and that it is SLI ready.
>>
>> --
>> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
>> news:1F1F9B36-8D2A-412F-9E67-...
>> >i didnt mention it becuase its not a specific make, im building it from
>> > parts, if you want the full spec then its
>> > AMD x64 3400+
>> > Asus A8N SLI-deluxe
>> > Nvidia Geforce 7800GTX
>> > 3Gb RAM
>> >
>> > Ill be using it mainly for gaming and ocasionaly programming etc.
>> > as for peripherals a printer, scanner etc.
>> > Ok, so with a 64bit os it can process 64bits in one go, so surely on a
>> > 32bit
>> > OS it can only use 1/2 the processor... am i jst being slightly thick
>> > and
>> > missing something.
>> > thanks
>> >
>> >> You did not say what kind of computer you are buying nor did you
>> >> indicate
>> >> what kind of programs you plan to run or what peripherals you plan to
>> >> use
>> >> with the new computer. All of this makes big differences in whether
>> >> or
>> >> not
>> >> to use XP x64 or stick with 32-bit Windows. Please take a look at the
>> >> webcast Charlie Russel did just a few weeks ago:
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753
>> >>
>> >> Do not confuse the 64-bit processor with the 64-bit operating system.
>> >> You
>> >> should buy a 64-bit processor since for all practical purposes the end
>> >> of
>> >> the 32-bit era for processors is here and everything going forward
>> >> will
>> >> be
>> >> 64-bit.
>> >>
>> >> 32-bit XP runs slightly more efficiently on 64-bit computers than it
>> >> does
>> >> on
>> >> 32-bit systems and there is no incompatibility when you run 32-bit
>> >> Windows
>> >> on the newer systems.
>> >>
>> >> It is not necessary to run the 64-bit edition of XP and unless you
>> >> expect
>> >> specific advantages, perhaps you should stick with one of the 32-bit
>> >> editions.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
>> >> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
>> >> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:1BAC2829-E5B4-418B-A0A0-...
>> >> > Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an
>> >> > AMD
>> >> > x64.
>> >> > I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable
>> >> > diffrence
>> >> > to
>> >> > the
>> >> > performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using
>> >> > 1/2
>> >> > the
>> >> > processor?
>> >> > Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then
>> >> > I'd
>> >> > be
>> >> > greatful.
>> >> > Aesc-leah
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>

I tried but I get:

We're sorry. We are unable to render the requested presentation.

-Rob


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst(remove)@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eDldTHQ%...
> You did not say what kind of computer you are buying nor did you indicate
> what kind of programs you plan to run or what peripherals you plan to use
> with the new computer. All of this makes big differences in whether or
> not to use XP x64 or stick with 32-bit Windows. Please take a look at the
> webcast Charlie Russel did just a few weeks ago:
> http://support.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?id=909753
>
> Do not confuse the 64-bit processor with the 64-bit operating system. You
> should buy a 64-bit processor since for all practical purposes the end of
> the 32-bit era for processors is here and everything going forward will be
> 64-bit.
>
> 32-bit XP runs slightly more efficiently on 64-bit computers than it does
> on 32-bit systems and there is no incompatibility when you run 32-bit
> Windows on the newer systems.
>
> It is not necessary to run the 64-bit edition of XP and unless you expect
> specific advantages, perhaps you should stick with one of the 32-bit
> editions.
>
> --
> Colin Barnhorst [MVP Windows - Virtual Machine]
> (Reply to the group only unless otherwise requested)
> "aescleahs" <> wrote in message
> news:1BAC2829-E5B4-418B-A0A0-...
>> Im about to buy a new computer and im upgrading the processor to an AMD
>> x64.
>> I was wondering if using Windows 64bit will make a noticable diffrence to
>> the
>> performance. or if i stay with standart windows will i only b using 1/2
>> the
>> processor?
>> Im not sure how the technology works so if someone can explain then I'd
>> be
>> greatful.
>> Aesc-leah
>
>