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I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math intensive
engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It will be in a
Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what apps will be used,
but they will be specialized for things like concrete stress analysis.

I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure how great
the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is about driver
issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so application compatibility
is probably the only issue. What's your perspective, if you've used this OS
for engineering apps?


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"Tom Del Rosso" <> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
> intensive
> engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It will be in a
> Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what apps will be used,
> but they will be specialized for things like concrete stress analysis.
>
> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure how
> great
> the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is about driver
> issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so application compatibility
> is probably the only issue. What's your perspective, if you've used this
> OS
> for engineering apps?
>
>
> --
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> 2 more zeros and remove the obvious.
>
>

Dell is using Intel procs with EM64T; If you want speed for apps like CAD,
you should buy an AMD64 processor, or the newer AMD X2 Dual core. AMD
chips far outperform their Intel counterparts. AMD64 chips have an onboard
memory controller and use the much faster hypertransport bus, neither of
which Intel has. AMD chips are designed from the ground up as 64 bit chips
(and are now the standard for x64), while Intel is still trying to get EM64T
to run on it's P4 "64 bit" chips. Simply pick up any recent computer
magazine, and you will find tests that confirm that AMD is a far superior
chip.
Ex: July, 2005 issue of PC World Magazine, page 28.
Maximum PC magazine, August Issue, Page 20.
Etc, etc, etc.

Seems as if Intel has lost it's edge...kinda sad really, watching their fall
from grace...but yet I say to AMD:
More power to ya!

Bobby

"The big benefits of course will not be realized by the consumer or
enthusiast, but by persons in technical environments who use memory and
mathematically intensive applications such as databases. Windows XP
Professional x64 provides the highest levels of performance and scalability
for Digital Content Creation, Computer Mechanical Design & Analysis and for
Financial & Data Analysis. "

So, Windows XP Professional x64 is definitely target for your type work
scenario.
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"Tom Del Rosso" <> wrote in message
news:...
> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
> intensive
> engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It will be in a
> Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what apps will be used,
> but they will be specialized for things like concrete stress analysis.
>
> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure how
> great
> the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is about driver
> issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so application compatibility
> is probably the only issue. What's your perspective, if you've used this
> OS
> for engineering apps?
>
>
> --
>
> Reply in group, but if emailing add
> 2 more zeros and remove the obvious.
>
>

This is a good fit for you. Even though there isn't, yet, a 64-bit version of
AutoCAD, so far as I know, it's certainly something we can expect from them.
And other large engineering applications should also be moving in that
direction if they're not already there. And some are. Even many existing
32-bit apps will benefit from the additional virtual memory address space
available to 32-bit apps in the WOW64 subsystem, IF they were written to take
advantage of additional memory, which many engineering apps have been. You
might find
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...4benefits.mspx
interesting as well.

The real issue for you is likely to be drivers if you need support for
specialized hardware (such as large format plotters, for example). The Dell
folks won't take responsibility for anything outside of their box, so you
need to think about any issues there.

And, unlike what Bobby said, the EM64T chips are a perfectly viable
alternative. For what you're doing, I'd recommend using dual core CPUs, and
multiple CPUs if you can -- that Dell Precision 670 for example is a pretty
good choice.


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Tom Del Rosso wrote:
> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
> intensive engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It
> will be in a Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what
> apps will be used, but they will be specialized for things like
> concrete stress analysis.
>
> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure
> how great the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is
> about driver issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so
> application compatibility is probably the only issue. What's your
> perspective, if you've used this OS for engineering apps?

True. I have a dual Xeon Dell Precision 670 workstation, and it is
definitely a *perfect* tool for CAD. Very fast rendering, for example.
Faster than equivalent dual Opteron. Sorry for AMD fans, but AMD is not the
Number One everywhere

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
> This is a good fit for you. Even though there isn't, yet, a 64-bit version
> of AutoCAD, so far as I know, it's certainly something we can expect from
> them. And other large engineering applications should also be moving in
> that direction if they're not already there. And some are. Even many
> existing 32-bit apps will benefit from the additional virtual memory
> address space available to 32-bit apps in the WOW64 subsystem, IF they
> were written to take advantage of additional memory, which many
> engineering apps have been. You might find
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...4benefits.mspx
> interesting as well.
>
> The real issue for you is likely to be drivers if you need support for
> specialized hardware (such as large format plotters, for example). The
> Dell folks won't take responsibility for anything outside of their box, so
> you need to think about any issues there.
>
> And, unlike what Bobby said, the EM64T chips are a perfectly viable
> alternative. For what you're doing, I'd recommend using dual core CPUs,
> and multiple CPUs if you can -- that Dell Precision 670 for example is a
> pretty good choice.
>
>
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> ======================
> Charlie.
> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>
>
> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
>> intensive engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It
>> will be in a Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what
>> apps will be used, but they will be specialized for things like
>> concrete stress analysis.
>>
>> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure
>> how great the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is
>> about driver issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so
>> application compatibility is probably the only issue. What's your
>> perspective, if you've used this OS for engineering apps?
>
>

It's a good box, even though I won't buy Dell any more. And, in the winter,
think of all you'll save on heating bills -- with the dual Xeons you'll
practically heat the entire house.

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NNBXX wrote:
> True. I have a dual Xeon Dell Precision 670 workstation, and it is
> definitely a *perfect* tool for CAD. Very fast rendering, for example.
> Faster than equivalent dual Opteron. Sorry for AMD fans, but AMD is
> not the Number One everywhere
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in
> message news:...
>> This is a good fit for you. Even though there isn't, yet, a 64-bit
>> version of AutoCAD, so far as I know, it's certainly something we
>> can expect from them. And other large engineering applications
>> should also be moving in that direction if they're not already
>> there. And some are. Even many existing 32-bit apps will benefit
>> from the additional virtual memory address space available to 32-bit
>> apps in the WOW64 subsystem, IF they were written to take advantage
>> of additional memory, which many engineering apps have been. You
>> might find
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...4benefits.mspx
>> interesting as well. The real issue for you is likely to be drivers if you
>> need support
>> for specialized hardware (such as large format plotters, for
>> example). The Dell folks won't take responsibility for anything
>> outside of their box, so you need to think about any issues there.
>>
>> And, unlike what Bobby said, the EM64T chips are a perfectly viable
>> alternative. For what you're doing, I'd recommend using dual core
>> CPUs, and multiple CPUs if you can -- that Dell Precision 670 for
>> example is a pretty good choice.
>>
>>
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>> Please, all replies to the newsgroup.
>> ======================
>> Charlie.
>> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>>
>>
>> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
>>> intensive engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It
>>> will be in a Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what
>>> apps will be used, but they will be specialized for things like
>>> concrete stress analysis.
>>>
>>> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure
>>> how great the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is
>>> about driver issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so
>>> application compatibility is probably the only issue. What's your
>>> perspective, if you've used this OS for engineering apps?

Interesting since most Dell 64-bit workstations recommend Linnux.


"NNBXX" <> wrote in message
news:...
> True. I have a dual Xeon Dell Precision 670 workstation, and it is
> definitely a *perfect* tool for CAD. Very fast rendering, for example.
> Faster than equivalent dual Opteron. Sorry for AMD fans, but AMD is not
> the Number One everywhere
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> This is a good fit for you. Even though there isn't, yet, a 64-bit
>> version of AutoCAD, so far as I know, it's certainly something we can
>> expect from them. And other large engineering applications should also be
>> moving in that direction if they're not already there. And some are. Even
>> many existing 32-bit apps will benefit from the additional virtual memory
>> address space available to 32-bit apps in the WOW64 subsystem, IF they
>> were written to take advantage of additional memory, which many
>> engineering apps have been. You might find
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...4benefits.mspx
>> interesting as well.
>>
>> The real issue for you is likely to be drivers if you need support for
>> specialized hardware (such as large format plotters, for example). The
>> Dell folks won't take responsibility for anything outside of their box,
>> so you need to think about any issues there.
>>
>> And, unlike what Bobby said, the EM64T chips are a perfectly viable
>> alternative. For what you're doing, I'd recommend using dual core CPUs,
>> and multiple CPUs if you can -- that Dell Precision 670 for example is a
>> pretty good choice.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Please, all replies to the newsgroup.
>> ======================
>> Charlie.
>> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>>
>>
>> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
>>> intensive engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It
>>> will be in a Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what
>>> apps will be used, but they will be specialized for things like
>>> concrete stress analysis.
>>>
>>> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure
>>> how great the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is
>>> about driver issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so
>>> application compatibility is probably the only issue. What's your
>>> perspective, if you've used this OS for engineering apps?
>>
>>
>
>

Now looks like they have split it and are delivering some workstations with
Windows X-64 installed. Great.


"John Barnes" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Interesting since most Dell 64-bit workstations recommend Linnux.
>
>
> "NNBXX" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> True. I have a dual Xeon Dell Precision 670 workstation, and it is
>> definitely a *perfect* tool for CAD. Very fast rendering, for example.
>> Faster than equivalent dual Opteron. Sorry for AMD fans, but AMD is not
>> the Number One everywhere
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> This is a good fit for you. Even though there isn't, yet, a 64-bit
>>> version of AutoCAD, so far as I know, it's certainly something we can
>>> expect from them. And other large engineering applications should also
>>> be moving in that direction if they're not already there. And some are.
>>> Even many existing 32-bit apps will benefit from the additional virtual
>>> memory address space available to 32-bit apps in the WOW64 subsystem, IF
>>> they were written to take advantage of additional memory, which many
>>> engineering apps have been. You might find
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...4benefits.mspx
>>> interesting as well.
>>>
>>> The real issue for you is likely to be drivers if you need support for
>>> specialized hardware (such as large format plotters, for example). The
>>> Dell folks won't take responsibility for anything outside of their box,
>>> so you need to think about any issues there.
>>>
>>> And, unlike what Bobby said, the EM64T chips are a perfectly viable
>>> alternative. For what you're doing, I'd recommend using dual core CPUs,
>>> and multiple CPUs if you can -- that Dell Precision 670 for example is a
>>> pretty good choice.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Please, all replies to the newsgroup.
>>> ======================
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
>>>> intensive engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It
>>>> will be in a Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what
>>>> apps will be used, but they will be specialized for things like
>>>> concrete stress analysis.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure
>>>> how great the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is
>>>> about driver issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so
>>>> application compatibility is probably the only issue. What's your
>>>> perspective, if you've used this OS for engineering apps?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

But AutoCAD isn't available for Linux.
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"John Barnes" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Interesting since most Dell 64-bit workstations recommend Linnux.
>
>
> "NNBXX" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> True. I have a dual Xeon Dell Precision 670 workstation, and it is
>> definitely a *perfect* tool for CAD. Very fast rendering, for example.
>> Faster than equivalent dual Opteron. Sorry for AMD fans, but AMD is not
>> the Number One everywhere
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> This is a good fit for you. Even though there isn't, yet, a 64-bit
>>> version of AutoCAD, so far as I know, it's certainly something we can
>>> expect from them. And other large engineering applications should also
>>> be moving in that direction if they're not already there. And some are.
>>> Even many existing 32-bit apps will benefit from the additional virtual
>>> memory address space available to 32-bit apps in the WOW64 subsystem, IF
>>> they were written to take advantage of additional memory, which many
>>> engineering apps have been. You might find
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...4benefits.mspx
>>> interesting as well.
>>>
>>> The real issue for you is likely to be drivers if you need support for
>>> specialized hardware (such as large format plotters, for example). The
>>> Dell folks won't take responsibility for anything outside of their box,
>>> so you need to think about any issues there.
>>>
>>> And, unlike what Bobby said, the EM64T chips are a perfectly viable
>>> alternative. For what you're doing, I'd recommend using dual core CPUs,
>>> and multiple CPUs if you can -- that Dell Precision 670 for example is a
>>> pretty good choice.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Please, all replies to the newsgroup.
>>> ======================
>>> Charlie.
>>> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
>>>> intensive engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It
>>>> will be in a Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly what
>>>> apps will be used, but they will be specialized for things like
>>>> concrete stress analysis.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure
>>>> how great the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is
>>>> about driver issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so
>>>> application compatibility is probably the only issue. What's your
>>>> perspective, if you've used this OS for engineering apps?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Yes. I've actually worked with the Precision 670 (worked on the support for
automatic deployment of them for MS Business Desktop Deployment 2.5). Nice
machine.

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John Barnes wrote:
> Now looks like they have split it and are delivering some
> workstations with Windows X-64 installed. Great.
>
>
> "John Barnes" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Interesting since most Dell 64-bit workstations recommend Linnux.
>>
>>
>> "NNBXX" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> True. I have a dual Xeon Dell Precision 670 workstation, and it is
>>> definitely a *perfect* tool for CAD. Very fast rendering, for
>>> example. Faster than equivalent dual Opteron. Sorry for AMD fans,
>>> but AMD is not the Number One everywhere
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in
>>> message news:...
>>>> This is a good fit for you. Even though there isn't, yet, a 64-bit
>>>> version of AutoCAD, so far as I know, it's certainly something we
>>>> can expect from them. And other large engineering applications
>>>> should also be moving in that direction if they're not already
>>>> there. And some are. Even many existing 32-bit apps will benefit
>>>> from the additional virtual memory address space available to
>>>> 32-bit apps in the WOW64 subsystem, IF they were written to take
>>>> advantage of additional memory, which many engineering apps have
>>>> been. You might find
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...4benefits.mspx
>>>> interesting as well. The real issue for you is likely to be drivers if
>>>> you need support
>>>> for specialized hardware (such as large format plotters, for
>>>> example). The Dell folks won't take responsibility for anything
>>>> outside of their box, so you need to think about any issues there.
>>>>
>>>> And, unlike what Bobby said, the EM64T chips are a perfectly viable
>>>> alternative. For what you're doing, I'd recommend using dual core
>>>> CPUs, and multiple CPUs if you can -- that Dell Precision 670 for
>>>> example is a pretty good choice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Please, all replies to the newsgroup.
>>>> ======================
>>>> Charlie.
>>>> http://www.msmvps.com/xperts64/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Del Rosso wrote:
>>>>> I'm looking for a new CAD workstation, which will do a lot of math
>>>>> intensive engineering simulations as well as AutoCAD drafting. It
>>>>> will be in a Windows domain. I don't know at this time exactly
>>>>> what apps will be used, but they will be specialized for things
>>>>> like concrete stress analysis.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trepidacious about compatibility with XP Pro x64, and not sure
>>>>> how great the advantage is going to be. Most of what I've read is
>>>>> about driver issues, but this will be bundled with a Dell, so
>>>>> application compatibility is probably the only issue. What's your
>>>>> perspective, if you've used this OS for engineering apps?