MCSE 2003 Server

I am just about to purchase the self paced books for the
4 core exams.
I want to achieve a full MCSE, but need a few questions
answered

I do not have any work experience in the field, so doe
this mean I cannot do these exams.
I do have an Advanced GNVQ in IT though and a good
working knowledge of hardware.

I ask because I read need one years experience for each
MCP.
This would be a shame if I cannot do the exams as the
whole point of the exersise is to get a job in Networking.

Thanks for any replies.

Kevin Bannister

"Kevin Bannister" <> wrote in
news:140a501c417f6$cce4b1f0$:

> I am just about to purchase the self paced books for the
> 4 core exams.
> I want to achieve a full MCSE, but need a few questions
> answered
>
> I do not have any work experience in the field, so doe
> this mean I cannot do these exams.
> I do have an Advanced GNVQ in IT though and a good
> working knowledge of hardware.
>
> I ask because I read need one years experience for each
> MCP.
> This would be a shame if I cannot do the exams as the
> whole point of the exersise is to get a job in Networking.
>
> Thanks for any replies.

it's "recommeded" that you have experience.

but microsoft are more than happy to take your hard earned cash even if you
don't.



Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
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MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
--
MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Rowdy Yates

>-----Original Message-----
>I am just about to purchase the self paced books for the
>4 core exams.
>I want to achieve a full MCSE, but need a few questions
>answered
>
>I do not have any work experience in the field, so doe
>this mean I cannot do these exams.
>I do have an Advanced GNVQ in IT though and a good
>working knowledge of hardware.
>
>I ask because I read need one years experience for each
>MCP.
>This would be a shame if I cannot do the exams as the
>whole point of the exersise is to get a job in
Networking.
>
>Thanks for any replies.
>.
>I have already read those links, it does say have one
yrs experience in network industry.
Is this totaly correct, which means I cannot do this set
of exams.
How am I meant to get into the industry without an MCSE
in the first place, as most companies require you to have
it.

Kevin Bannister

"Kevin Bannister" <> wrote in
news:172e901c41801$30f282d0$:

>>Thanks for any replies.
>>.
>>I have already read those links, it does say have one
> yrs experience in network industry.
> Is this totaly correct, which means I cannot do this set
> of exams.
> How am I meant to get into the industry without an MCSE
> in the first place, as most companies require you to have
> it.

you will have a much easier time understanng the material if you have the
experience.

it sounds like you don't have the experience. then just go for a MCP or MCSA
at most. get the experience and then got for MCSE.


Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
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MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
--
MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Rowdy Yates

"Kevin Bannister" <> wrote in
news:172e901c41801$30f282d0$:

> I have already read those links, it does say have one
> yrs experience in network industry.
> Is this totaly correct, which means I cannot do this set
> of exams.
> How am I meant to get into the industry without an MCSE
> in the first place, as most companies require you to have
> it.
>
>

not requierd but beneficial. as for into the industry, start at the bottom
(like all us slobs did)

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil

Neil <> wrote in
news:Xns94BE70352F131neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248 .16:

>
> not requierd but beneficial. as for into the industry, start at the bottom
> (like all us slobs did)
>

hey. i think i have never risen past the "bottom". oh, i forgot. that's my
profession. it's called network administration.

ry



Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
---
MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
--
MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Rowdy Yates

>-----Original Message-----
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>I am just about to purchase the self paced books for
the
>>4 core exams.
>>I want to achieve a full MCSE, but need a few questions
>>answered
>>
>>I do not have any work experience in the field, so doe
>>this mean I cannot do these exams.
>>I do have an Advanced GNVQ in IT though and a good
>>working knowledge of hardware.
>>
>>I ask because I read need one years experience for each
>>MCP.
>>This would be a shame if I cannot do the exams as the
>>whole point of the exersise is to get a job in
>Networking.
>>
>>Thanks for any replies.
>>.
>>I have already read those links, it does say have one
>yrs experience in network industry.
>Is this totaly correct, which means I cannot do this set
>of exams.
>How am I meant to get into the industry without an MCSE
>in the first place, as most companies require you to
have
>it.
>.
>I am not too bad at networking anyway, I have spoke to
someone who has told me if I have a reasonable knowledge
of networking I will be OK, I have helped set up LAN
parties, and can setup Wireless networking, so should be
fine, ordering the books, its time to study hard.

Kevin Bannister wrote

>>I am just about to purchase the self paced books for the
>>4 core exams.
>>I want to achieve a full MCSE, but need a few questions
>>answered
>>
>>I do not have any work experience in the field, so doe
>>this mean I cannot do these exams.
>>I do have an Advanced GNVQ in IT though and a good
>>working knowledge of hardware.
>>
>>I ask because I read need one years experience for each
>>MCP.
>>This would be a shame if I cannot do the exams as the
>>whole point of the exersise is to get a job in
>Networking.
>>
>>Thanks for any replies.
>>.
>>I have already read those links, it does say have one
>yrs experience in network industry.
>Is this totaly correct, which means I cannot do this set
>of exams.
>How am I meant to get into the industry without an MCSE
>in the first place, as most companies require you to have
>it.
>.

You don't need experience to pass the MCSE exams, but try
finding a job in IT without experience.
As to how you are meant to get into the industry without
work experience (or an MCSE), as far as the industry is
concerned you aren't meant to get into it - it's not their
problem.
Many companies have outsourced their entry-level jobs to
India/China/etc., so there are a lot of people with
experience fighting over few entry-level jobs. You may
well be much more capable and knowledgeable than the
recently down-sized helldesk monkey who's also applying
for the job, but the employers will see that he has
experience, and has proven himself.
It can be done, but it ain't gonna be easy. You'll be
joining thousands of others who'd do just about anything
to get their foor in the door.
For a reality check, phone a few local IT recruiters and
ask them if they've got any jobs for MCSEs without any
experience.

Whatever you do, don't sign up for an over-priced
bootcamp - self study is the way to go - if you don't get
your foot in the door, all it'll have cost you is the
price of the books (which you'll still have) and the price
of the exams.

Andy Foster

"Andy Foster" <> wrote in
news:127ce01c4181e$09c16010$:

> You don't need experience to pass the MCSE exams, but try
> finding a job in IT without experience.
> As to how you are meant to get into the industry without
> work experience (or an MCSE), as far as the industry is
> concerned you aren't meant to get into it - it's not their
> problem.
> Many companies have outsourced their entry-level jobs to
> India/China/etc., so there are a lot of people with
> experience fighting over few entry-level jobs. You may
> well be much more capable and knowledgeable than the
> recently down-sized helldesk monkey who's also applying
> for the job, but the employers will see that he has
> experience, and has proven himself.
> It can be done, but it ain't gonna be easy. You'll be
> joining thousands of others who'd do just about anything
> to get their foor in the door.
> For a reality check, phone a few local IT recruiters and
> ask them if they've got any jobs for MCSEs without any
> experience.
>
> Whatever you do, don't sign up for an over-priced
> bootcamp - self study is the way to go - if you don't get
> your foot in the door, all it'll have cost you is the
> price of the books (which you'll still have) and the price
> of the exams.
>

Well said Andy. TO which I would like to add:

http://tinyurl.com/yu5ja





Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
---
MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
--
MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Rowdy Yates

ok I'm not opening any more links from Rowdy... who's with me? Kenny, I
know you are

--
Sue MCNGP #69

"Rowdy Yates" <> wrote in message
news:Xns94BE92C6B3616rowdyyates2123@207.46.248.16. ..
> "Andy Foster" <> wrote in
> news:127ce01c4181e$09c16010$:
>
> > You don't need experience to pass the MCSE exams, but try
> > finding a job in IT without experience.
> > As to how you are meant to get into the industry without
> > work experience (or an MCSE), as far as the industry is
> > concerned you aren't meant to get into it - it's not their
> > problem.
> > Many companies have outsourced their entry-level jobs to
> > India/China/etc., so there are a lot of people with
> > experience fighting over few entry-level jobs. You may
> > well be much more capable and knowledgeable than the
> > recently down-sized helldesk monkey who's also applying
> > for the job, but the employers will see that he has
> > experience, and has proven himself.
> > It can be done, but it ain't gonna be easy. You'll be
> > joining thousands of others who'd do just about anything
> > to get their foor in the door.
> > For a reality check, phone a few local IT recruiters and
> > ask them if they've got any jobs for MCSEs without any
> > experience.
> >
> > Whatever you do, don't sign up for an over-priced
> > bootcamp - self study is the way to go - if you don't get
> > your foot in the door, all it'll have cost you is the
> > price of the books (which you'll still have) and the price
> > of the exams.
> >
>
> Well said Andy. TO which I would like to add:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yu5ja
>
>
>
>
>
> Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
> ---
> MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
> --
> MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp
> --
> Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
> --
> Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Brat