MCSE advice please

just wondering, I am stuck between going for an MCSE or
CCIE certification or both. Can soeone give me the
benefits and down side to haing either or both. would
really like the experts opinion. How long could I
complete a certification in?

cheers

Paul

Well an MCSE is cheaper...CCIE definitely more valuable, u can do MCSE ur
self but CCIE needs hands on production env preferable
Jose

"Paul" <> wrote in message
news:16b6b01c417da$fd07c230$...
> just wondering, I am stuck between going for an MCSE or
> CCIE certification or both. Can soeone give me the
> benefits and down side to haing either or both. would
> really like the experts opinion. How long could I
> complete a certification in?
>
> cheers

Jose Saamuel

"Jose Saamuel" <> wrote in news:u1SEf09FEHA.3404
@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl:

> Well an MCSE is cheaper...CCIE definitely more valuable, u can do MCSE ur
> self but CCIE needs hands on production env preferable
> Jose
>
> "Paul" <> wrote in message
> news:16b6b01c417da$fd07c230$...
>> just wondering, I am stuck between going for an MCSE or
>> CCIE certification or both. Can soeone give me the
>> benefits and down side to haing either or both. would
>> really like the experts opinion. How long could I
>> complete a certification in?
>>
>> cheers
>
>

the CCIE is more valued in the industry. also, much MUCH harder to get. go
to:

http://www.cisco.com/en/US/learning/index.html

to read more about it.



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http://www.againsttcpa.com

Rowdy Yates

"Paul" <> wrote in news:16b6b01c417da
$fd07c230$:

> just wondering, I am stuck between going for an MCSE or
> CCIE certification or both. Can soeone give me the
> benefits and down side to haing either or both. would
> really like the experts opinion. How long could I
> complete a certification in?
>
> cheers
>

these are remarkably different certifications and kind of like saying
"should I be a GP or a Surgeon?" becuase both are doctors. If you can
afford the huge sums of money to become a CCIE (surgeon) your skills will
be more in demand. MCSE is more affordable to attain, and every has
noticed this



--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil

Rowdy Yates <> wrote in
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> --
> Rowdy Yates
> -------------------------------
> Death to the Gypsy Kings!
> -------------------------------
> I am Against-TCPA
> http://www.againsttcpa.com

you jackass, I just told someone to look at your sig file for the gabillion
links to MS learning. then you take them out....Harumph

--
Neil
"you'd do what, to who, for how many biscuits?"

Neil

On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:59:33 -0800, Neil <>
wrote:

>Rowdy Yates <> wrote in
>news:Xns94BE4A20581EFrowdyyates2lycoscom@207.46.2 48.16:
>
>> --
>> Rowdy Yates
>> -------------------------------
>> Death to the Gypsy Kings!
>> -------------------------------
>> I am Against-TCPA
>> http://www.againsttcpa.com
>
>you jackass, I just told someone to look at your sig file for the gabillion
>links to MS learning. then you take them out....Harumph

Why not just refer them here instead ?

http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp


Regards,

Paul Lynch
MCSE

Paul Lynch

Neil <> wrote in
news:Xns94BE5B7CE1E8Eneilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248 .16:

> Rowdy Yates <> wrote in
> news:Xns94BE4A20581EFrowdyyates2lycoscom@207.46.24 8.16:
>
>> --
>> Rowdy Yates
>> -------------------------------
>> Death to the Gypsy Kings!
>> -------------------------------
>> I am Against-TCPA
>> http://www.againsttcpa.com
>
> you jackass, I just told someone to look at your sig file for the gabillion
> links to MS learning. then you take them out....Harumph
>

i haven't update my home sig yet. can be arsed.

Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
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MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
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MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp
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Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
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Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Rowdy Yates

Paul Lynch <> wrote in
news::

> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 05:59:33 -0800, Neil <>
> wrote:
>
>>Rowdy Yates <> wrote in
>>news:Xns94BE4A20581EFrowdyyates2lycoscom@207.46. 248.16:
>>
>>> --
>>> Rowdy Yates
>>> -------------------------------
>>> Death to the Gypsy Kings!
>>> -------------------------------
>>> I am Against-TCPA
>>> http://www.againsttcpa.com
>>
>>you jackass, I just told someone to look at your sig file for the gabillion
>>links to MS learning. then you take them out....Harumph
>
> Why not just refer them here instead ?
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Paul Lynch
> MCSE

you mean, http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/virtualpc/, right paul?

hey paul, i just saw the new secret beta edition of Virtual PC 2006 leaked on
Mirc. you can find it at: #you_are_a_hopeless_case



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MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
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MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp
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Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Rowdy Yates

mcse is easier (and cheaper probably) if you have no experience. what do
you like more, networking (ccie), or operating systems (mcse)?
get both. or start with ccna-->ccnp (and/or ccda-->ccdp).

"Paul" <> wrote in message
news:16b6b01c417da$fd07c230$...
> just wondering, I am stuck between going for an MCSE or
> CCIE certification or both. Can soeone give me the
> benefits and down side to haing either or both. would
> really like the experts opinion. How long could I
> complete a certification in?
>
> cheers

John Smith

Neil <> wrote in
news:Xns94BE4FB1A59F9neilmcsehotmailcom@207.46.248 .16:

> "Paul" <> wrote in news:16b6b01c417da
> $fd07c230$:
>
>> just wondering, I am stuck between going for an MCSE or
>> CCIE certification or both. Can soeone give me the
>> benefits and down side to haing either or both. would
>> really like the experts opinion. How long could I
>> complete a certification in?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>
> these are remarkably different certifications and kind of like saying
> "should I be a GP or a Surgeon?" becuase both are doctors. If you can
> afford the huge sums of money to become a CCIE (surgeon) your skills will
> be more in demand. MCSE is more affordable to attain, and every has
> noticed this
>
>
>

yes, "Good" Paul, IMHO the CCIE is a very different thing than MCSE. CCIE's
have skill set's to work on high level routing technologies. someone the
other day said it's not "rocket science", but it's still very complex stuff.

the MCSE skill set is on Microsoft Windows Server products. 2000. 2003. and a
few others. check the links.

oh, btw, CCIE's get paid more i think.

** apparently, the going rate for MCSE skiils these days (at least where I
am!!) is $10/hr CDN for advanced AD troubleshooting. MS Canada Mississauga
are hiring and that's what they willing to pay you for your grand efforts
efforts.


Important Links Ranked In Order of Relevance:
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MCSE on Microsoft Windows Server 2003 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/windows2003/
--
MCSE on Microsoft Windows 2000 Certification Requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mc...quirements.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Certification Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/mcse/default.asp
--
Microsoft Certified Professional Info:
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/default.asp

Rowdy Yates