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I think its out of date now to be using the worshipping line when it comes
using a particular technology, whether its from Apple, Microsoft or even
Open Source. The technology religionists, were like circa 2002, we are in
2005 now, its time to move on.
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"M. Murcek" <> wrote in message
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> Right on, Andre, I'm with you - the "religionists" can get out of here and
> go to church. We got tech to do here! Linux weirdos "praying" to their
> "god." Just pathetic.
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
> news:OId$...
>> Yeah, it was fun and I learnt a lot, I learned not to be a zealot of any
>> kind.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
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>>
>> "Mark Gillespie" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] got up from the bar and shouted: :
>>>> Well, compare migrating to Linux from Windows XP 32 Bit, I would say,
>>>> you have better experience with migrating to x64 rather than Linux with
>>>> existing applications such as maybe Office or Photoshop which don't run
>>>> natively on Linux, Microsoft has taken care of a lot that through
>>>> WOW64, plus the user is more comfortable and can adjust quicker,
>>>> because it looks just like regular old XP, which means, lower cost of
>>>> owner ship and less tranining for employees.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm, someone's been on the Microsoft Marketing BS course....
>>
>>
>
>

Who said I still want to use it? I'm just ok with Photoshop 7 and its all
I'll ever need. The people who used GIMP for Shrek were probably using a
suped up version compiled by in house developers.
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Andre
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"A Guy Called Tyketto" <> wrote in message
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> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] <> wrote:
>> Ok, I just spent $500 on Office 2003 and I'm going trade it out for Open
>> Office? Hell NO! Thats like trading in your 2005 Mercedes for a 1977
>> Pinto.
>> Countless 64-bit graphics editing tools? I only need one and its the best
>> and its called Photoshop.
>
> Then perhaps you should take a look into the GIMP
> (http://www.gimp.org). Free, and puts Photoshop to SHAME. IIRC, Shrek
> was made with the GIMP, on an Silicon Graphics box, running Linux.
>
> BL.
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The real religionists were back in the 80's preaching the C64, Atari ST,
Amiga, 128k Mac, and so on. Those were the days! (I sold Amigas and was
right in the middle of all the fun!)

"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

> I think its out of date now to be using the worshipping line when it comes
> using a particular technology, whether its from Apple, Microsoft or even
> Open Source. The technology religionists, were like circa 2002, we are in
> 2005 now, its time to move on.
> --
> Andre
> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
> "M. Murcek" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Right on, Andre, I'm with you - the "religionists" can get out of here and
> > go to church. We got tech to do here! Linux weirdos "praying" to their
> > "god." Just pathetic.
> >
> > "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
> > news:OId$...
> >> Yeah, it was fun and I learnt a lot, I learned not to be a zealot of any
> >> kind.
> >> --
> >> Andre
> >> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
> >> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
> >> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> >> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
> >>
> >> "Mark Gillespie" <> wrote in message
> >> news:...
> >>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] got up from the bar and shouted: :
> >>>> Well, compare migrating to Linux from Windows XP 32 Bit, I would say,
> >>>> you have better experience with migrating to x64 rather than Linux with
> >>>> existing applications such as maybe Office or Photoshop which don't run
> >>>> natively on Linux, Microsoft has taken care of a lot that through
> >>>> WOW64, plus the user is more comfortable and can adjust quicker,
> >>>> because it looks just like regular old XP, which means, lower cost of
> >>>> owner ship and less tranining for employees.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm, someone's been on the Microsoft Marketing BS course....
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

ohh, I remember saving my allowance for a Timex Sinclair kit and years later
drooling over the first Amigas with 1MB of 32bit memory.

"Cbarnhorst" <> wrote in message
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> The real religionists were back in the 80's preaching the C64, Atari ST,
> Amiga, 128k Mac, and so on. Those were the days! (I sold Amigas and was
> right in the middle of all the fun!)

Boy, would I love having an Atari 68000 box (ST or TT) just for fun!

"Cbarnhorst" <> wrote in message
news:507F0F74-0010-4810-A1DA-...
> The real religionists were back in the 80's preaching the C64, Atari ST,
> Amiga, 128k Mac, and so on. Those were the days! (I sold Amigas and was
> right in the middle of all the fun!)
>
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>
>> I think its out of date now to be using the worshipping line when it
>> comes
>> using a particular technology, whether its from Apple, Microsoft or even
>> Open Source. The technology religionists, were like circa 2002, we are in
>> 2005 now, its time to move on.
>> --
>> Andre
>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>> "M. Murcek" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > Right on, Andre, I'm with you - the "religionists" can get out of here
>> > and
>> > go to church. We got tech to do here! Linux weirdos "praying" to
>> > their
>> > "god." Just pathetic.
>> >
>> > "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
>> > news:OId$...
>> >> Yeah, it was fun and I learnt a lot, I learned not to be a zealot of
>> >> any
>> >> kind.
>> >> --
>> >> Andre
>> >> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>> >> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>> >> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> >> FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>> >> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>> >>
>> >> "Mark Gillespie" <> wrote in message
>> >> news:...
>> >>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] got up from the bar and shouted: :
>> >>>> Well, compare migrating to Linux from Windows XP 32 Bit, I would
>> >>>> say,
>> >>>> you have better experience with migrating to x64 rather than Linux
>> >>>> with
>> >>>> existing applications such as maybe Office or Photoshop which don't
>> >>>> run
>> >>>> natively on Linux, Microsoft has taken care of a lot that through
>> >>>> WOW64, plus the user is more comfortable and can adjust quicker,
>> >>>> because it looks just like regular old XP, which means, lower cost
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> owner ship and less tranining for employees.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hmmm, someone's been on the Microsoft Marketing BS course....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>

christmas morning and opening a Texas instrument TI 99/4a with 16k of
memory , built in sound and like today the storage device that could
also play music (cassette tape)

Intel_Fan wrote:
> ohh, I remember saving my allowance for a Timex Sinclair kit and years later
> drooling over the first Amigas with 1MB of 32bit memory.
>
> "Cbarnhorst" <> wrote in message
> news:507F0F74-0010-4810-A1DA-...
>
>>The real religionists were back in the 80's preaching the C64, Atari ST,
>>Amiga, 128k Mac, and so on. Those were the days! (I sold Amigas and was
>>right in the middle of all the fun!)
>
>
>

At one time I had both a 520ST and a 1040ST. Didn't much like GEOS,
though.

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"M. Murcek" <> wrote in message
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> Boy, would I love having an Atari 68000 box (ST or TT) just for fun!
>
> "Cbarnhorst" <> wrote in message
> news:507F0F74-0010-4810-A1DA-...
>> The real religionists were back in the 80's preaching the C64, Atari ST,
>> Amiga, 128k Mac, and so on. Those were the days! (I sold Amigas and was
>> right in the middle of all the fun!)
>>
>> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>>
>>> I think its out of date now to be using the worshipping line when it
>>> comes
>>> using a particular technology, whether its from Apple, Microsoft or even
>>> Open Source. The technology religionists, were like circa 2002, we are
>>> in
>>> 2005 now, its time to move on.
>>> --
>>> Andre
>>> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>
>>> "M. Murcek" <> wrote in message
>>> news:...
>>> > Right on, Andre, I'm with you - the "religionists" can get out of here
>>> > and
>>> > go to church. We got tech to do here! Linux weirdos "praying" to
>>> > their
>>> > "god." Just pathetic.
>>> >
>>> > "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <> wrote in message
>>> > news:OId$...
>>> >> Yeah, it was fun and I learnt a lot, I learned not to be a zealot of
>>> >> any
>>> >> kind.
>>> >> --
>>> >> Andre
>>> >> Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com
>>> >> Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
>>> >> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>> >> FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>>> >> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>> >>
>>> >> "Mark Gillespie" <> wrote in message
>>> >> news:...
>>> >>> Andre Da Costa [Extended64] got up from the bar and shouted: :
>>> >>>> Well, compare migrating to Linux from Windows XP 32 Bit, I would
>>> >>>> say,
>>> >>>> you have better experience with migrating to x64 rather than Linux
>>> >>>> with
>>> >>>> existing applications such as maybe Office or Photoshop which don't
>>> >>>> run
>>> >>>> natively on Linux, Microsoft has taken care of a lot that through
>>> >>>> WOW64, plus the user is more comfortable and can adjust quicker,
>>> >>>> because it looks just like regular old XP, which means, lower cost
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>> owner ship and less tranining for employees.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hmmm, someone's been on the Microsoft Marketing BS course....
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Mark Gillespie wrote:

> Seems tables are turned somewhat in the 64bit arena, Linux has
> historically sucked when it came to driver support in the 32 bit arena,
> but my experience, 64bit has excellent driver support, far better than
> 64bit Windows...

Yes, I have noticed that, too. But I think the difference has little to
do with Linux vs. Windows, and more with whether the drivers are
maintained with the OS or by the manufacturer.

Since few manufacturer produce Linux drivers, most Linux drivers are
written by the Linux developers. Obviously these drivers have been used
on 64bit platform for quite a while (Sparc v9, G5, Alpha), and the port
to AMD64 was rather easy.

Most Windows drivers on the other hand are developed by the
manufacturers, and they were probably only released for x86. So the step
to AMD64 is a difficult one, plus there is the communication overhead
between MS and the manufacturer.

Of course it doesn't help either that most Windows drivers are closed
source. The closed source drivers for Linux are still a shady area:
graphics drivers work mostly, but working WLAN etc drivers are rare.

> Come on Microsoft need to use your weight to make manufacturers wake up
> and listen. Get their drivers ready today, they are all set for
> longhorn (sorry little-horn as it's now becoming known, as more and more
> features fall by the wayside)

I agree. Why didn't they make a certification program? "Designed for
Windows Longhorn" could be reserved for hardware that has 64bit drivers.
And suddenly everybody would be busy writing 64bit drivers

Or maybe Microsoft takes my viewpoint: 64bit is nice to have, but it is
by no means essential (at least on the Desktop).

Thomas