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I am currently running a multi-boot setup, with Windows XP SP2 on one
partition, and WIndows XP x64 RC2 on another partition (which runs great).

My plan is to download the RTM trial edition when it becomes available while
I wait to obtain a fully-functional (no timebomb) copy for permanent use.

I have two questions:

(1) Will the RTM trial edition install over my RC2 edition, and upgrade it?
(and I guess reduce the license time from 365 days to 120 days). Or do I
need to format and re-install? If so, forget it, RC2 seems stable and
functional enough until I get a full RTM CDROM.

(2) With RC2, the Windows Update seems to work fine, but there has never
been an update to install. Is that because RC2 is "cut off" so-to-speak from
updates and the feature is "up and running" but not "functioning"? Or are
there truly no new updates?

If cut-off, that worries me a little, I'd hate to think I am opening myself
up to security issues by running an OS without security update features. I
know it is Beta and I am not at all bitching at Microsoft, I am just asking
out loud.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

No upgrade path from betas (RC2) clean installs only. You do have the option
of doing an inplace upgrade for the Trial RTM of XP Pro x64 to the full
version if standardized on XP Pro x64 during the trial period.

Windows Update does function for x64 Windows - but there are no updates yet
available. This has something to do with the architecture of the operating
system itself, no cut off.
--

Andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm


"Littlebloomers" <> wrote in message
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>I am currently running a multi-boot setup, with Windows XP SP2 on one
> partition, and WIndows XP x64 RC2 on another partition (which runs
> great).
>
> My plan is to download the RTM trial edition when it becomes available
> while
> I wait to obtain a fully-functional (no timebomb) copy for permanent use.
>
> I have two questions:
>
> (1) Will the RTM trial edition install over my RC2 edition, and upgrade
> it?
> (and I guess reduce the license time from 365 days to 120 days). Or do I
> need to format and re-install? If so, forget it, RC2 seems stable and
> functional enough until I get a full RTM CDROM.
>
> (2) With RC2, the Windows Update seems to work fine, but there has never
> been an update to install. Is that because RC2 is "cut off" so-to-speak
> from
> updates and the feature is "up and running" but not "functioning"? Or are
> there truly no new updates?
>
> If cut-off, that worries me a little, I'd hate to think I am opening
> myself
> up to security issues by running an OS without security update features.
> I
> know it is Beta and I am not at all bitching at Microsoft, I am just
> asking
> out loud.
>
> Thanks for any help you can offer.

Hello,
1) Yes the RTM trial edition should upgrade the RC2 edition. However they
may be limitation going from the trial edition to the full RTM CD. If it's
OEM, you will not be able to upgrade from the trial, if it's volume or MSDN
media you will be able to upgrade from the trial edition.
2) There were no updates for RC2. Rarely if ever are there ever updates
for beta releases. Certainly once the OS has RTMed there will be no
updates for Beta release, only updates for released media. Usually beta
builds are updated to newer builds that would contain all the updates and
the final beta versions are updated to the released product.
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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>I am currently running a multi-boot setup, with Windows XP SP2 on one
>partition, and WIndows XP x64 RC2 on another partition (which runs great).
>
>My plan is to download the RTM trial edition when it becomes available
while
>I wait to obtain a fully-functional (no timebomb) copy for permanent use.
>
>I have two questions:
>
>(1) Will the RTM trial edition install over my RC2 edition, and upgrade
it?
>(and I guess reduce the license time from 365 days to 120 days). Or do I
>need to format and re-install? If so, forget it, RC2 seems stable and
>functional enough until I get a full RTM CDROM.
>
>(2) With RC2, the Windows Update seems to work fine, but there has never
>been an update to install. Is that because RC2 is "cut off" so-to-speak
from
>updates and the feature is "up and running" but not "functioning"? Or are
>there truly no new updates?
>
>If cut-off, that worries me a little, I'd hate to think I am opening
myself
>up to security issues by running an OS without security update features.
I
>know it is Beta and I am not at all bitching at Microsoft, I am just
asking
>out loud.
>
>Thanks for any help you can offer.
>

Sorry, I was mistaken about the upgrade path then.

Darrell, I thought this was Microsoft policy, no upgrade path from betas at
all? Suppose x64 was distributed as a retail product in both upgrade and
full versions, users could simply just buy the upgrade and use it to upgrade
from RC2.
--

Andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> 1) Yes the RTM trial edition should upgrade the RC2 edition. However they
> may be limitation going from the trial edition to the full RTM CD. If
> it's
> OEM, you will not be able to upgrade from the trial, if it's volume or
> MSDN
> media you will be able to upgrade from the trial edition.
> 2) There were no updates for RC2. Rarely if ever are there ever updates
> for beta releases. Certainly once the OS has RTMed there will be no
> updates for Beta release, only updates for released media. Usually beta
> builds are updated to newer builds that would contain all the updates and
> the final beta versions are updated to the released product.
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
> --------------------
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>>I am currently running a multi-boot setup, with Windows XP SP2 on one
>>partition, and WIndows XP x64 RC2 on another partition (which runs
>>great).
>>
>>My plan is to download the RTM trial edition when it becomes available
> while
>>I wait to obtain a fully-functional (no timebomb) copy for permanent use.
>>
>>I have two questions:
>>
>>(1) Will the RTM trial edition install over my RC2 edition, and upgrade
> it?
>>(and I guess reduce the license time from 365 days to 120 days). Or do I
>>need to format and re-install? If so, forget it, RC2 seems stable and
>>functional enough until I get a full RTM CDROM.
>>
>>(2) With RC2, the Windows Update seems to work fine, but there has never
>>been an update to install. Is that because RC2 is "cut off" so-to-speak
> from
>>updates and the feature is "up and running" but not "functioning"? Or are
>>there truly no new updates?
>>
>>If cut-off, that worries me a little, I'd hate to think I am opening
> myself
>>up to security issues by running an OS without security update features.
> I
>>know it is Beta and I am not at all bitching at Microsoft, I am just
> asking
>>out loud.
>>
>>Thanks for any help you can offer.
>>
>

Hello Andre,
There are a couple of things here.
I probably wasn't very clear in the last post or rather not complete.
The upgrade from RC2 to RTM Eval is not blocked. It is not a supported
upgrade unless there is an agreement specific to the beta program where we
agree to support that upgrade path. The preview program and tech beta
programs do not have that agreement to support that upgrade path.
However it isn't blocked so if the user wants to attempt the upgrade they
can do so.
So this is not a blocked scenario, just an unsupported scenario.

Now the the upgrade media question deals with compliance checking. This is
a different/separate check than, whether you can upgrade or not.
Beta builds do not meet the compliance checks so they do not work with
compliance checking media.(upgrade media)
For example with Windows XP:
Windows 95 meets the compliance check, but the upgrade from Windows 95 is
blocked.

However since the most common means of obtaining media for x64 will be via
OEM media. ( Eval, MSDN, and Volume are the others).
OEM media does not upgrade Eval media, I don't think it upgrade beta media
either. OEM media would only upgrade other OEM media, of which there
aren't any for X64 Windows yet.

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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>Sorry, I was mistaken about the upgrade path then.
>
>Darrell, I thought this was Microsoft policy, no upgrade path from betas
at
>all? Suppose x64 was distributed as a retail product in both upgrade and
>full versions, users could simply just buy the upgrade and use it to
upgrade
>from RC2.
>--
>
>Andre
>http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
>""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <> wrote in message
>news:...
>> Hello,
>> 1) Yes the RTM trial edition should upgrade the RC2 edition. However they
>> may be limitation going from the trial edition to the full RTM CD. If
>> it's
>> OEM, you will not be able to upgrade from the trial, if it's volume or
>> MSDN
>> media you will be able to upgrade from the trial edition.
>> 2) There were no updates for RC2. Rarely if ever are there ever updates
>> for beta releases. Certainly once the OS has RTMed there will be no
>> updates for Beta release, only updates for released media. Usually beta
>> builds are updated to newer builds that would contain all the updates and
>> the final beta versions are updated to the released product.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
>> --------------------
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>>>
>>>I am currently running a multi-boot setup, with Windows XP SP2 on one
>>>partition, and WIndows XP x64 RC2 on another partition (which runs
>>>great).
>>>
>>>My plan is to download the RTM trial edition when it becomes available
>> while
>>>I wait to obtain a fully-functional (no timebomb) copy for permanent use.
>>>
>>>I have two questions:
>>>
>>>(1) Will the RTM trial edition install over my RC2 edition, and upgrade
>> it?
>>>(and I guess reduce the license time from 365 days to 120 days). Or do I
>>>need to format and re-install? If so, forget it, RC2 seems stable and
>>>functional enough until I get a full RTM CDROM.
>>>
>>>(2) With RC2, the Windows Update seems to work fine, but there has never
>>>been an update to install. Is that because RC2 is "cut off" so-to-speak
>> from
>>>updates and the feature is "up and running" but not "functioning"? Or
are
>>>there truly no new updates?
>>>
>>>If cut-off, that worries me a little, I'd hate to think I am opening
>> myself
>>>up to security issues by running an OS without security update features.
>> I
>>>know it is Beta and I am not at all bitching at Microsoft, I am just
>> asking
>>>out loud.
>>>
>>>Thanks for any help you can offer.
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Thank you all for your quick replies, that answers my questions.

My goal with multi-booting RC2 was to see what 64-bit computing had to offer
me, which is what I suppose the CPP was all about.

I have pretty much discovered what Microsoft already warned people about,
and that is that 64-bit computing at this point offers very little to the
typical home end-user (such as myself). Even the 64-bit version of Far Cry
is hardly revolutionary at this point, although I do hope with the gaming
hardware explosion that developers take advatage of the possibilities of a
64-bit OS in the near future.

I do congratulate Microsoft on a very, very smooth transition to a 64-bit
OS. The installation and user interface are very familiar, and the RC2 (and
I imagine RTM) seems very stable. Everything except WinDVD Platinum
installed without a hitch, and all my hardware (except digital camrera) was
supported. However, I think I will remain in the comfort of 32-bit computing
at this time.

Actually, if you go to the Version 4 Windows Update Catalog Website (for
Corporate Users), you will find that there are 2 Updates for Windows XP x64
Edition (one of them is a Critical Update).
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/

"Andre Da Costa" <> wrote in message
news:...
> No upgrade path from betas (RC2) clean installs only. You do have the
> option of doing an inplace upgrade for the Trial RTM of XP Pro x64 to the
> full version if standardized on XP Pro x64 during the trial period.
>
> Windows Update does function for x64 Windows - but there are no updates
> yet available. This has something to do with the architecture of the
> operating system itself, no cut off.
> --
>
> Andre
> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
>
> "Littlebloomers" <> wrote in
> message news:66E468F6-9C44-426B-A7F1-...
>>I am currently running a multi-boot setup, with Windows XP SP2 on one
>> partition, and WIndows XP x64 RC2 on another partition (which runs
>> great).
>>
>> My plan is to download the RTM trial edition when it becomes available
>> while
>> I wait to obtain a fully-functional (no timebomb) copy for permanent use.
>>
>> I have two questions:
>>
>> (1) Will the RTM trial edition install over my RC2 edition, and upgrade
>> it?
>> (and I guess reduce the license time from 365 days to 120 days). Or do I
>> need to format and re-install? If so, forget it, RC2 seems stable and
>> functional enough until I get a full RTM CDROM.
>>
>> (2) With RC2, the Windows Update seems to work fine, but there has never
>> been an update to install. Is that because RC2 is "cut off" so-to-speak
>> from
>> updates and the feature is "up and running" but not "functioning"? Or
>> are
>> there truly no new updates?
>>
>> If cut-off, that worries me a little, I'd hate to think I am opening
>> myself
>> up to security issues by running an OS without security update features.
>> I
>> know it is Beta and I am not at all bitching at Microsoft, I am just
>> asking
>> out loud.
>>
>> Thanks for any help you can offer.
>
>

The updates are available for Windows Server 2003 x64 Edition as well.

"Kevin Panzke" <> wrote in message
news:Oq7sf%...
> Actually, if you go to the Version 4 Windows Update Catalog Website (for
> Corporate Users), you will find that there are 2 Updates for Windows XP
> x64 Edition (one of them is a Critical Update).
> http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/
>
> "Andre Da Costa" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> No upgrade path from betas (RC2) clean installs only. You do have the
>> option of doing an inplace upgrade for the Trial RTM of XP Pro x64 to the
>> full version if standardized on XP Pro x64 during the trial period.
>>
>> Windows Update does function for x64 Windows - but there are no updates
>> yet available. This has something to do with the architecture of the
>> operating system itself, no cut off.
>> --
>>
>> Andre
>> http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>> FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>>
>> "Littlebloomers" <> wrote in
>> message news:66E468F6-9C44-426B-A7F1-...
>>>I am currently running a multi-boot setup, with Windows XP SP2 on one
>>> partition, and WIndows XP x64 RC2 on another partition (which runs
>>> great).
>>>
>>> My plan is to download the RTM trial edition when it becomes available
>>> while
>>> I wait to obtain a fully-functional (no timebomb) copy for permanent
>>> use.
>>>
>>> I have two questions:
>>>
>>> (1) Will the RTM trial edition install over my RC2 edition, and upgrade
>>> it?
>>> (and I guess reduce the license time from 365 days to 120 days). Or do
>>> I
>>> need to format and re-install? If so, forget it, RC2 seems stable and
>>> functional enough until I get a full RTM CDROM.
>>>
>>> (2) With RC2, the Windows Update seems to work fine, but there has
>>> never
>>> been an update to install. Is that because RC2 is "cut off" so-to-speak
>>> from
>>> updates and the feature is "up and running" but not "functioning"? Or
>>> are
>>> there truly no new updates?
>>>
>>> If cut-off, that worries me a little, I'd hate to think I am opening
>>> myself
>>> up to security issues by running an OS without security update features.
>>> I
>>> know it is Beta and I am not at all bitching at Microsoft, I am just
>>> asking
>>> out loud.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help you can offer.
>>
>>
>
>

Ditto to the above, For all the MS critics, XP64 should show them MS has
fantastic programmers who have produced a good start for the WIN64 OS - for
business and home use.

AMD should be thanked too for showing 64 bit extensions provide a good
transition for those of us who started with Win 3.0 and have stuck with MS
OS all the way up. We have a lot of investment in the existing 32 bit
applications and don't want to toss all of them yet. It will be a while for
users to buy new systems, but we went from 486 to Pentium/Athlon and now
AMD64/Intel 6?.

"Littlebloomers" <> wrote in message
news:776E3811-4CC2-4D68-922D-...
> Thank you all for your quick replies, that answers my questions.
>
> My goal with multi-booting RC2 was to see what 64-bit computing had to
> offer
> me, which is what I suppose the CPP was all about.
>
> I have pretty much discovered what Microsoft already warned people about,
> and that is that 64-bit computing at this point offers very little to the
> typical home end-user (such as myself). Even the 64-bit version of Far
> Cry
> is hardly revolutionary at this point, although I do hope with the gaming
> hardware explosion that developers take advatage of the possibilities of a
> 64-bit OS in the near future.
>
> I do congratulate Microsoft on a very, very smooth transition to a 64-bit
> OS. The installation and user interface are very familiar, and the RC2
> (and
> I imagine RTM) seems very stable. Everything except WinDVD Platinum
> installed without a hitch, and all my hardware (except digital camrera)
> was
> supported. However, I think I will remain in the comfort of 32-bit
> computing
> at this time.
>
>

MS Win 3.0?? I started with DOS 3.2. Didn't really use Windows until
Win95. Had a really fast Intel XT running at a blazing 4 MHZ and 640K and
an enormous 10 MB HD.