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Charlie Russel - MVP wrote:
> Well, if I read Joe's answer correctly, you should be covered. You built that
> machine post March 31, 2003. On the other hand, the statement that the
> machine is the case, wrt the original OEM license, sounds completely contrary
> to the way the retail version is licensed, where it basically goes with the
> mobo. But however you look at it, I would at least trying the submission.
>

If the license goes with the MB why does is say "You are required to
affix this Certificate of Authenticity to the exterior of the PC."?
Last time I checked the MB was inside the case, not on the outside.

"magnium" <> wrote in message
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>i agree completely. Lets face it within 2 hours you could download a full
>working pirated version. Upgrades for all ligitamate copys should be
>offered.

Just because you feel you can steal something with impunity does not mean
you should be given it for free from the owner.
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"magnium" <> wrote in message
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>i agree completely. Lets face it within 2 hours you could download a full
>working pirated version. Upgrades for all ligitamate copys should be
>offered.
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
> news:uJ12dU%...
>> Well, if I read Joe's answer correctly, you should be covered. You built
>> that machine post March 31, 2003. On the other hand, the statement that
>> the machine is the case, wrt the original OEM license, sounds completely
>> contrary to the way the retail version is licensed, where it basically
>> goes with the mobo. But however you look at it, I would at least trying
>> the submission.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>>
>> hughesjv wrote:
>>> I am not necessarily looking for a "Free" Upgrade but some upgrade
>>> path to the 64 Bit XP without having to re-buy the complete package
>>> for a second time. I realize that I have owned my XP much longer
>>> than those that bought or built thier machines when 64 Bit processors
>>> arrived on the scene but what I did is legal and it seems there ought
>>> to be an upgrade path for the rest of who upgrade their CPU/MB on a
>>> regular basis.
>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>> I posed your question to a number of people.
>>>> Per our Marketing Folks:
>>>> "That's when the first x64 machines began shipping. These programs
>>>> are generally designed to be what we call a technology guarantee,
>>>> meaning that the purchaser can buy a PC with confidence knowing that
>>>> they will not be left behind when we ship a new version of Windows.
>>>> The cutoff is usually only a few months, but with this program we
>>>> extended back to when the first Opteron shipped and the first time a
>>>> customer could have feasibly built an x64 machine.
>>>>
>>>> The software date doesn't matter. we care about machine build date."
>>>>
>>>> Hope this answers it.
>>>> --
>>>> -Joe Swart [MSFT]
>>>>
>>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>> rights. Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions. Please
>>>> use these newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "hughesjv" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:898E8BF4-2EBF-4752-A71F-...
>>>>> You are the closest...I originally built my machine and have
>>>>> upgraded to a 64 bit board with the legal OEM software I purchased.
>>>>> I typically build 40-100 machines a year and verified with
>>>>> Microsoft people that as long as I keep the same case, I can
>>>>> perform upgrades to whatever I need and still be within the license
>>>>> agreement. --
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly. The only folks who might get caught by this are those who
>>>>>> took an existing XP machine and replaced the motherboard with an
>>>>>> x64 motherboard, and re-used the existing XP on that rebuilt
>>>>>> machine. (A legal use of a RETAIL copy of XP, assuming you
>>>>>> completely retire the old mobo, but NOT of an OEM XP.) They might
>>>>>> well have a copy of XP that predates March 31, 2003, installed on
>>>>>> an x64 enabled machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ocbwilg wrote:
>>>>>>> "hughesjv" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:E99AE77F-6D0A-4F3A-AD56-...
>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there will be a program for those of us who
>>>>>>>> were early adopters and ran out embraced XP before the March 31,
>>>>>>>> 2003 date set for the
>>>>>>>> current upgrade?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Opteron CPU was launched in April 2003. The Athlon 64 and
>>>>>>> Athlon 64 FX chips weren't launched until September 2003. Intel
>>>>>>> CPUs with EM64T were not available until late 2004/early 2005.
>>>>>>> Are you saying that you actually bought an x64-based system
>>>>>>> before March 31, 2003? Because I find that highly unlikely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I understand it, the TAP was designed to accommodate users who
>>>>>>> purchased an x64-based PC but bought it with a 32-bit Windows XP
>>>>>>> Pro license because x64 Windows XP Pro was not yet available. It
>>>>>>> wasn't designed to give everyone who bought Windows XP Pro a free
>>>>>>> upgrade to XP x64.
>>
>>
>
>

Free no...
But an upgarde opertunity yes

Sorry you misunderstood me


"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <> wrote in message
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> "magnium" <> wrote in message
> news:O$xQBo%...
>>i agree completely. Lets face it within 2 hours you could download a full
>>working pirated version. Upgrades for all ligitamate copys should be
>>offered.
>
> Just because you feel you can steal something with impunity does not mean
> you should be given it for free from the owner.
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
> --
> Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> rights
>
> Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
> newsgroups
>
> "magnium" <> wrote in message
> news:O$xQBo%...
>>i agree completely. Lets face it within 2 hours you could download a full
>>working pirated version. Upgrades for all ligitamate copys should be
>>offered.
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
>> news:uJ12dU%...
>>> Well, if I read Joe's answer correctly, you should be covered. You built
>>> that machine post March 31, 2003. On the other hand, the statement that
>>> the machine is the case, wrt the original OEM license, sounds completely
>>> contrary to the way the retail version is licensed, where it basically
>>> goes with the mobo. But however you look at it, I would at least trying
>>> the submission.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>>
>>> hughesjv wrote:
>>>> I am not necessarily looking for a "Free" Upgrade but some upgrade
>>>> path to the 64 Bit XP without having to re-buy the complete package
>>>> for a second time. I realize that I have owned my XP much longer
>>>> than those that bought or built thier machines when 64 Bit processors
>>>> arrived on the scene but what I did is legal and it seems there ought
>>>> to be an upgrade path for the rest of who upgrade their CPU/MB on a
>>>> regular basis.
>>>>
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>> I posed your question to a number of people.
>>>>> Per our Marketing Folks:
>>>>> "That's when the first x64 machines began shipping. These programs
>>>>> are generally designed to be what we call a technology guarantee,
>>>>> meaning that the purchaser can buy a PC with confidence knowing that
>>>>> they will not be left behind when we ship a new version of Windows.
>>>>> The cutoff is usually only a few months, but with this program we
>>>>> extended back to when the first Opteron shipped and the first time a
>>>>> customer could have feasibly built an x64 machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> The software date doesn't matter. we care about machine build date."
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this answers it.
>>>>> --
>>>>> -Joe Swart [MSFT]
>>>>>
>>>>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>>>>> rights. Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions. Please
>>>>> use these newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "hughesjv" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:898E8BF4-2EBF-4752-A71F-...
>>>>>> You are the closest...I originally built my machine and have
>>>>>> upgraded to a 64 bit board with the legal OEM software I purchased.
>>>>>> I typically build 40-100 machines a year and verified with
>>>>>> Microsoft people that as long as I keep the same case, I can
>>>>>> perform upgrades to whatever I need and still be within the license
>>>>>> agreement. --
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly. The only folks who might get caught by this are those who
>>>>>>> took an existing XP machine and replaced the motherboard with an
>>>>>>> x64 motherboard, and re-used the existing XP on that rebuilt
>>>>>>> machine. (A legal use of a RETAIL copy of XP, assuming you
>>>>>>> completely retire the old mobo, but NOT of an OEM XP.) They might
>>>>>>> well have a copy of XP that predates March 31, 2003, installed on
>>>>>>> an x64 enabled machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Charlie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ocbwilg wrote:
>>>>>>>> "hughesjv" <> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:E99AE77F-6D0A-4F3A-AD56-...
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know if there will be a program for those of us who
>>>>>>>>> were early adopters and ran out embraced XP before the March 31,
>>>>>>>>> 2003 date set for the
>>>>>>>>> current upgrade?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Opteron CPU was launched in April 2003. The Athlon 64 and
>>>>>>>> Athlon 64 FX chips weren't launched until September 2003. Intel
>>>>>>>> CPUs with EM64T were not available until late 2004/early 2005.
>>>>>>>> Are you saying that you actually bought an x64-based system
>>>>>>>> before March 31, 2003? Because I find that highly unlikely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I understand it, the TAP was designed to accommodate users who
>>>>>>>> purchased an x64-based PC but bought it with a 32-bit Windows XP
>>>>>>>> Pro license because x64 Windows XP Pro was not yet available. It
>>>>>>>> wasn't designed to give everyone who bought Windows XP Pro a free
>>>>>>>> upgrade to XP x64.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

"hughesjv" <> wrote in message
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>I am not necessarily looking for a "Free" Upgrade but some upgrade path to
> the 64 Bit XP without having to re-buy the complete package for a second
> time. I realize that I have owned my XP much longer than those that
> bought
> or built thier machines when 64 Bit processors arrived on the scene but
> what
> I did is legal and it seems there ought to be an upgrade path for the rest
> of
> who upgrade their CPU/MB on a regular basis.

Except that there isn't an "upgrade" package available, it's OEM only. If
there were a discounted upgrade package (which would obviously be retail)
then that would be your most appropriate path, but Microsoft has decided
(quite wisely IMHO) not to go the retail route.

It kinda sucks to get caught in a situation like this, but your case is
probably pretty exceptional. As Joe indicated, the program is more of a
technology guarantee that you can buy your PC with XP32 and not have to
worry about missing out on x64. Obviously that couldn't have factored into
your decision when you purchased 32-bit XP since 64-bit CPUs were not
available yet. Even though you may be doing everything legally and
legitimately, the program does not appear to be open to (or created for)
everyone who has legally licensed XP Pro, but a specific subset of those
users who had 64-bit capabilities in mind when purchasing their systems and
OS.

Personally, I think that going back over two years and allowing all of those
purchasers an upgrade is really an extraordinary gesture, especially
compared to how Microsoft has handled these cases in the past.

I agree that this a generous technology program but even older operating
systems have upgrade paths. The part that really bugs me is that tecnically
this is not even a new OS it is an upgraded version of the same OS. Again, I
am a legal customer who has receipts for all my software...I would like some
kind of fair offer to allow me to take advantage of my 64 Bit AMD Processors.
--
Jim


"ocbwilg" wrote:

>
> "hughesjv" <> wrote in message
> news:7BCD889E-CEEA-42E1-B8FB-...
> >I am not necessarily looking for a "Free" Upgrade but some upgrade path to
> > the 64 Bit XP without having to re-buy the complete package for a second
> > time. I realize that I have owned my XP much longer than those that
> > bought
> > or built thier machines when 64 Bit processors arrived on the scene but
> > what
> > I did is legal and it seems there ought to be an upgrade path for the rest
> > of
> > who upgrade their CPU/MB on a regular basis.
>
> Except that there isn't an "upgrade" package available, it's OEM only. If
> there were a discounted upgrade package (which would obviously be retail)
> then that would be your most appropriate path, but Microsoft has decided
> (quite wisely IMHO) not to go the retail route.
>
> It kinda sucks to get caught in a situation like this, but your case is
> probably pretty exceptional. As Joe indicated, the program is more of a
> technology guarantee that you can buy your PC with XP32 and not have to
> worry about missing out on x64. Obviously that couldn't have factored into
> your decision when you purchased 32-bit XP since 64-bit CPUs were not
> available yet. Even though you may be doing everything legally and
> legitimately, the program does not appear to be open to (or created for)
> everyone who has legally licensed XP Pro, but a specific subset of those
> users who had 64-bit capabilities in mind when purchasing their systems and
> OS.
>
> Personally, I think that going back over two years and allowing all of those
> purchasers an upgrade is really an extraordinary gesture, especially
> compared to how Microsoft has handled these cases in the past.
>
>
>

"hughesjv" <> wrote in message
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>I agree that this a generous technology program but even older operating
> systems have upgrade paths. The part that really bugs me is that
> tecnically

Not exactly true. There is no upgrade path to Media Cetner Edition either,
as it is also OEM-only. Usually there is only an upgrade path if there is a
retail package, and in the cases of x64 and Media Cetner Edition there is
neither.