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Chris Lukowski
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      02-18-2004
Hi again,

I was wondering if any of you could give me some job
advice. I've graduated with my AS & AAS in Computer
Science, and I'll have my MCP, MCSE, MCSA, and CCNA certs
within a month or so, but I have zero work experience. I
was wondering what sort of job will take somebody in with
these lovely certs but with no work experience. I've
heard help desk or phone support (ack!) but I was
wondering if there were other higher paying jobs that I
should be looking for. Also, what do you think is an
acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA?
I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
somebody without prior experience?

Also, I was wondering if you could give me some info as
to what final career I should persue. I've always thought
I would be a network administrator, but I've heard people
speak highly of consulting work as well. I'm not sure
which is better. In the end, I want a 9-5 M-F career with
job security and a comfortable but not necessarily
luxurious salary. I also don't want to deal with the
public any more than I have to (co-workers excluded of
course). I've been in customer service for 6 years in a
supermarket and at a bank and I've had ENOUGH of that
crap . Gimme a Dilbert job, that's what I want lol.
Thanks a lot guys!
 
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      02-18-2004
Hi there,

I can't comment on the salary range because it depends on the area you
are in. On type of the job, I bet you can get help-desk job considering
your past CS experience etc. But if you don't like help-desk kinda
thing, try for sys admin job. Junior sys admin or junior database admin
(i.e. if you know your SQL) or junior network admin.

I think the pay will be low for a start that is if you can get a job at
all. Bite the bullet and try to improve your skills while pursuing more
certs (like CCNP or CCSP or OCP or MCSE:Security or whatever you
fancy). If you are more interested in network, go for network admin job
even though the pay are peanuts. Try to get the experience there. Don't
go for database job while your interest lies in network and just because
that database job pay you slighly higher.

If you want security in job, go for MNC or big organisations. The
promotions will be painfully slow but at least you got your security in
job. But pray hard that your position doesn't get outsource.

Concerning your final career path, unless you have very strong desire on
some particular area (e.g networking), don't make your decision now.
Think of present situation now. If you think you like network admin job
better, go for network. If you think you like programming, go for
programmer job etc. Along the way, you will see and know that whether
that path truly suits you or not. Then you have much clear mind and make
the right decision.

Consulting is wide field and needs many years experience. You can be
network consultant, system consultant, ERP consultant or whatever your
expertise is. But I must say your presentation skills, talking
(communication) skills and your persuasive skills should be very good
for that kind of job.

There are many consultants out there with "all talk, no (or little)
action and knows only how to charge (per minute or per second!!)". But
there are also many consultants who truly knows your complex problem in
just a matter of minutes. It all depends on experience and their
communication skills.

Like i told you before, after working for about 5 years or more in IT,
you will know what you want. If you still don't know what you want after
5 years, ...well may be you are too greedy or an idiot.

All the best...



Chris Lukowski wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> I was wondering if any of you could give me some job
> advice. I've graduated with my AS & AAS in Computer
> Science, and I'll have my MCP, MCSE, MCSA, and CCNA certs
> within a month or so, but I have zero work experience. I
> was wondering what sort of job will take somebody in with
> these lovely certs but with no work experience. I've
> heard help desk or phone support (ack!) but I was
> wondering if there were other higher paying jobs that I
> should be looking for. Also, what do you think is an
> acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA?
> I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
> somebody without prior experience?
>
> Also, I was wondering if you could give me some info as
> to what final career I should persue. I've always thought
> I would be a network administrator, but I've heard people
> speak highly of consulting work as well. I'm not sure
> which is better. In the end, I want a 9-5 M-F career with
> job security and a comfortable but not necessarily
> luxurious salary. I also don't want to deal with the
> public any more than I have to (co-workers excluded of
> course). I've been in customer service for 6 years in a
> supermarket and at a bank and I've had ENOUGH of that
> crap . Gimme a Dilbert job, that's what I want lol.
> Thanks a lot guys!


 
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      02-18-2004

"Chris Lukowski" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi again,
>
> I was wondering if any of you could give me some job
> advice. I've graduated with my AS & AAS in Computer
> Science, and I'll have my MCP, MCSE, MCSA, and CCNA certs
> within a month or so, but I have zero work experience. I
> was wondering what sort of job will take somebody in with
> these lovely certs but with no work experience. I've
> heard help desk or phone support (ack!) but I was
> wondering if there were other higher paying jobs that I
> should be looking for. Also, what do you think is an
> acceptable starting salary for a fresh MCSE/MCSA/CCNA?
> I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
> somebody without prior experience?
>
> Also, I was wondering if you could give me some info as
> to what final career I should persue. I've always thought
> I would be a network administrator, but I've heard people
> speak highly of consulting work as well. I'm not sure
> which is better. In the end, I want a 9-5 M-F career with
> job security and a comfortable but not necessarily
> luxurious salary. I also don't want to deal with the
> public any more than I have to (co-workers excluded of
> course). I've been in customer service for 6 years in a
> supermarket and at a bank and I've had ENOUGH of that
> crap . Gimme a Dilbert job, that's what I want lol.
> Thanks a lot guys!



Mr Lukowski,

If I was in your shoes, I'd work my way into a company in any
capacity.(Mailroom,delivery van driver etc etc...) After some time on the
job, you can transfer into other depts if you prove to be a valuable asset.
It is difficult to present a set of credentials and get hired without
experience. However, it can be done. Use your own judgment and you will
be fine in teh long term.







 
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The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere
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      02-18-2004
>I'm hoping to get $50k, but is that reasonable for
>somebody without prior experience?


Keep dreaming, unless that is, you are prepared to work twenty hours a
day, six days a week.

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The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere
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      02-18-2004
>If I was in your shoes,

Bet you're glad you're not!

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The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere
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      02-18-2004
>But pray hard that your position doesn't get outsource.

Too late to pray....

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      02-18-2004
i agree with you, i see way too many "consultants" out there who don't know
their arse from a whole in the ground. scratch that, i see way too many
employees who don't know crap

"Zeus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Consulting is wide field and needs many years experience. You can be
> network consultant, system consultant, ERP consultant or whatever your
> expertise is. But I must say your presentation skills, talking
> (communication) skills and your persuasive skills should be very good
> for that kind of job.
>
> There are many consultants out there with "all talk, no (or little)
> action and knows only how to charge (per minute or per second!!)". But
> there are also many consultants who truly knows your complex problem in
> just a matter of minutes. It all depends on experience and their
> communication skills.
>



 
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The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere
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      02-18-2004
> i see way too many "consultants" out there who don't know
>their arse from a whole in the ground. scratch that, i see way too many
>employees who don't know crap


Sad but true.

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Politician Spock
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      02-18-2004
Actually, I see way to many employees who know a lot of crap and not much
more.

--
Politician Spock
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"Consultant" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> i agree with you, i see way too many "consultants" out there who don't

know
> their arse from a whole in the ground. scratch that, i see way too many
> employees who don't know crap
>
> "Zeus" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
> > Consulting is wide field and needs many years experience. You can be
> > network consultant, system consultant, ERP consultant or whatever your
> > expertise is. But I must say your presentation skills, talking
> > (communication) skills and your persuasive skills should be very good
> > for that kind of job.
> >
> > There are many consultants out there with "all talk, no (or little)
> > action and knows only how to charge (per minute or per second!!)". But
> > there are also many consultants who truly knows your complex problem in
> > just a matter of minutes. It all depends on experience and their
> > communication skills.
> >

>
>



 
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The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere
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      02-18-2004
>Actually, I see way to many employees who know a lot of crap and not much
>more.


It is real,

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