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On 2006-11-07, <> wrote:
>> >> Do you mean that you have a DSL filter in the main socket, plug a >> telephone extension cable into the 'telephone' socket on that, then put a >> second DSL filter at the other end of the extension and connect the >> "modem" to the 'internet' socket there? Like this: >> >> (mono-spaced 'font' required) >> >> >> | >> | supplier's telephone line >> | >> = main phone socket >> / \ DSL filter | | 'internet' socket not used >> I > EXTENSION LEAD PHONE SOCKET---PHONE LINE TO CORDLESS PHONE DOCKER > > >> | >> extension lead 15 metres >> | >> | > EXTENSION LEAD PHONE SOCKET >> / \ > DSL filter I I PHONE SOCKET NOT USED >> | | >> DSL MODEM CABLE >> | >> DSL "Modem" >> > Hi Whiskers > I have adjusted your initial diagram and added words in capital letters > to show current arrangement. That adjustment doesn't seem to have worked ... I'm totally confused by the 'extension lead socket --- phone line to cordless phone docker' part. What is the 'docker' plugged into? Is there a 'telephone socket doubler' plugged into the wall socket, with two things plugged into that - one of those things being the 'docker', the other being an ADSL filter? If so, that's wrong - the phone (or the 'docker') should be plugged into the 'telephone' socket on an ADSL filter. > Before I can work out what you are > suggesting I need you to see the set up as it is at the moment. That is what I'm trying to get clear. > There > is no telephone plugged in at the far end of the extension cable. OK; not relevant to the internet connection anyway. > At > the supplier phone socket end, the DSL internet socket is unused, Ah; so as I suspected, the lead that goes 15 metres from there to where the ADSL "Modem" is, is a telephone extension lead plugged into the telephone socket on the DSL filter. That is why you can't use the ADSL "modem" at the 'far' end of the extension lead - you have it plugged into the socket on the filter that has had the DSL signal blocked off. > at > the extension socket end the DSL phone socket is unused. With your present arrangement, the ADSL filter at the far end of the extension lead is doing precisely nothing. > Currently I am only able to use the internet when I plug my speed touch > modem into the DSL internet socket at the supplier socket end. correct, and predictable, if I've understood you correcvtly - at present you aren't letting the ADSL signal get any forther than there. >> You won't get a DSL connection from that arrangement; the internet signal >> has been filtered out before it gets to the 'modem'. Remove the DSL >> filter at the main socket and plug the telephone extension lead directly >> into that socket, then use one filter at the other end to split the >> telephone and DSL signals. > > I tried the above and it does not work. The right speed touch modem > light flashes and no dialling tone is reported. > > >> The purpose of the DSL filter, is to isolate the low-frequency analogue >> telephone signal from the high-frequency digital 'carrier', so that you >> don't get lots of interference on the telephone. You seem to be trying to >> use your DSL "modem" on a line which has had the DSL signal filtered out >> already. > > I understand that maybe it is not necessary to use two ADSL filters but I > need you to be clear about current setup. > Many thanks > > Matthew Let's re-state what you seem to be wanting to achieve. 1) Where the main telepone wall socket is, you want to connect your wireless phone docker. 2) 15 metres away, as the cable threads, you want to have your ADSL "modem". Is that accurate? You need to bear in mind that your telephones (including the 'docker' for your wireless phone) must be plugged in via the 'telephone' socket on a DSL filter. You also need to bear in mind that any lead to which your ADSL "Modem" is going to be connected, must at no point be plugged into the 'telephone' socket on a filter - the whole purpose of that filter is to stop ADSL signals getting to the telephone. So, your 'docker' must be plugged into a filter. If you put that filter directly into the wall socket, then you will need a 15 metre DSL lead (not a telephone lead, not an ethernet lead) from the 'internet' socket on that filter to your "modem". You can get such leads - preferably, get a 'heavy duty' one that has the ruggedness to take a few knocks; the short DSL leads supplied with most "modems" are a bit feeble. Or, you could have a simple 'telephone socket doubler' plugged directly into the wall socket, and run a telephone extension lead 15 metres to the "modem" and have a filter there, into the 'internet' socket of which you plug the "modem". That might work, if the telephone extension lead and all the plugs and sockets are in good condition and not at all loose or kinked. If you do that, you will need a second filter into the 'telephone' socket of which you will plug the 'docker', and then plug the filter into the other socket on the 'doubler'. That is putting a rather large mechanical strain on the wall socket, even if you can get all those things plugged in so close together, so the connections may not be very reliable. Or, you could put the "modem" next to the "docker", each plugged into its own socket on a filter plugged directly into the wall socket. Then run an 'ethernet' cable 15 metres from your "modem" to the computer - if the "modem" and computer both have ethernet sockets. -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ |
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On Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:51:30 +0000, Whiskers <>
wrote: >Let's re-state what you seem to be wanting to achieve. > >1) Where the main telepone wall socket is, you want to connect your >wireless phone docker. > >2) 15 metres away, as the cable threads, you want to have your ADSL >"modem". > >Is that accurate? NO! You want the modem connected to the phone system as close as possible to the street. Look at this diagram: http://www.dixie-net.com/Media/HDCSingle.jpg -- -Graham (remove the double e's to email) |
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> >> | > >> | supplier's telephone line > >> | > >> = main phone socket > >> / \ DSL filter | | 'internet' socket not used > >> I > > EXTENSION LEAD PHONE SOCKET---PHONE LINE TO CORDLESS PHONE DOCKER > > > > >> | > >> extension lead 15 metres > >> | > >> | > > EXTENSION LEAD PHONE SOCKET > >> / \ > > DSL filter I I PHONE SOCKET NOT USED > >> | | > >> DSL MODEM CABLE > >> | > >> DSL "Modem" > >> > That adjustment doesn't seem to have worked ... I'm totally confused by the > 'extension lead socket --- phone line to cordless phone docker' part. What > is the 'docker' plugged into? Is there a 'telephone socket doubler' > plugged into the wall socket, with two things plugged into that - one of > those things being the 'docker', the other being an ADSL filter? If so, > that's wrong - the phone (or the 'docker') should be plugged into the > 'telephone' socket on an ADSL filter. OK I THINK WE ARE GETTING THERE PHONE DOCKER PLUGGED INTO THE FEMALE SOCKET OF THE EXTENSION CABLE, THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT SOCKET HAS A MALE ELEMENT WHICH IS IN TURN PLUGGED INTO THE THE FEMALE PHONE SOCKET OF THE ADSL FILTER. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FILTER IS A SHORT LEAD ENDING IN A MALE SOCKET WHICH IS PLUGGED INTO THE SUPPLIER PHONE SOCKET. AT THE OTHER END OF THE 15 METRE PHONE CABLE IS A FEMALE SOCKET WHERE THE SECOND ADSL FILTER IS PLUGGED INTO. > > > At > > the supplier phone socket end, the DSL internet socket is unused, > > Ah; so as I suspected, the lead that goes 15 metres from there to where > the ADSL "Modem" is, is a telephone extension lead plugged into the > telephone socket on the DSL filter. YES! That is why you can't use the ADSL > "modem" at the 'far' end of the extension lead - you have it plugged into > the socket on the filter that has had the DSL signal blocked off. > > > at > > the extension socket end the DSL phone socket is unused. > > With your present arrangement, the ADSL filter at the far end of the > extension lead is doing precisely nothing. > > > Currently I am only able to use the internet when I plug my speed touch > > modem into the DSL internet socket at the supplier socket end. > > correct, and predictable, if I've understood you correcvtly - at present > you aren't letting the ADSL signal get any forther than there. > > > > > > Let's re-state what you seem to be wanting to achieve. > > 1) Where the main telepone wall socket is, you want to connect your > wireless phone docker. > > 2) 15 metres away, as the cable threads, you want to have your ADSL > "modem". > > Is that accurate? YES! > > You need to bear in mind that your telephones (including the 'docker' for > your wireless phone) must be plugged in via the 'telephone' socket on a > DSL filter. YES THAT IS THE CASE AT THE MOMENT. I ONLY HAVE ONE PHONE BUT THAT IS PLUGGED INTO THE DSL FILTER VIA THE FEMALE EXTENSION LEAD SOCKET You also need to bear in mind that any lead to which your > ADSL "Modem" is going to be connected, must at no point be plugged into > the 'telephone' socket on a filter - the whole purpose of that filter is > to stop ADSL signals getting to the telephone. > > So, your 'docker' must be plugged into a filter. If you put that filter > directly into the wall socket, then you will need a 15 metre DSL lead (not > a telephone lead, not an ethernet lead) from the 'internet' socket on that > filter to your "modem". You can get such leads - preferably, get a 'heavy > duty' one that has the ruggedness to take a few knocks; the short DSL > leads supplied with most "modems" are a bit feeble. THIS SEEMS POSSIBLE. DISPENSING WITH THE TELEPHONE EXTENSION CABLE AS I ONLY USE IT FOR THE MODEM ANYWAY AND REPLACING WITH DSL LEAD GOING STRAIGHT TO MODEM... > > Or, you could have a simple 'telephone socket doubler' plugged directly > into the wall socket, and run a telephone extension lead 15 metres to the > "modem" and have a filter there, into the 'internet' socket of which you > plug the "modem". That might work, if the telephone extension lead and > all the plugs and sockets are in good condition and not at all loose or > kinked. If you do that, you will need a second filter into the > 'telephone' socket of which you will plug the 'docker', and then plug the > filter into the other socket on the 'doubler'. DON'T QUITE GET LAST PART. I UNDERSTAND I HAVE A TELEPHONE SOCKET DOUBLER WITH EXTENSION LEAD RUNNING OUT OF ONE DOUBLER SOCKET AND DSL FILTER AND MODEM AT OTHER END. IN OTHER SOCKET OF DOUBLER I HAVE DSL FILTER AND DOCKER CABLE. IS THIS CORRECT? IF SO SEEMS CHEAPEST OPTION. That is putting a rather > large mechanical strain on the wall socket, even if you can get all those > things plugged in so close together, so the connections may not be very > reliable. > > Or, you could put the "modem" next to the "docker", each plugged into its > own socket on a filter plugged directly into the wall socket. Then run an > 'ethernet' cable 15 metres from your "modem" to the computer - if the > "modem" and computer both have ethernet sockets. MODEM WOULD PROBABLY GET STEPPED ON AS SOCKET BY FLOOR AND DON'T KNOW IF SPEED TOUCH MODEM HAS ETHERNET SOCKET. MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP THUS FAR! > Matthew |
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On 2006-11-08, <> wrote:
snip > OK I THINK WE ARE GETTING THERE > PHONE DOCKER PLUGGED INTO THE FEMALE SOCKET OF THE EXTENSION CABLE, THE > OTHER SIDE OF THAT SOCKET HAS A MALE ELEMENT WHICH IS IN TURN PLUGGED > INTO THE THE FEMALE PHONE SOCKET OF THE ADSL FILTER. ON THE OTHER SIDE > OF THE FILTER IS A SHORT LEAD ENDING IN A MALE SOCKET WHICH IS PLUGGED > INTO THE SUPPLIER PHONE SOCKET. AT THE OTHER END OF THE 15 METRE PHONE > CABLE IS A FEMALE SOCKET WHERE THE SECOND ADSL FILTER IS PLUGGED INTO. Please don't shout. So, your 'telephone extension lead' has a 'female' and 'male' connector next to each other at one end? How odd. In effect, it operates exactly like a 'doubler' and a normal extension lead, but a little bit neater. The significant point, however, is that you have the 15 metre telephone extension lead that 'drives' the ADSL "modem", plugged into a 'telephone' socket on a DSL filter. That means that no DSL signal is getting to the "modem"; the whole purpose of the filter is to provide a telephone connection from which the DSL signal has been removed, so that a normal telephone can work properly even while you have your 'broadband' internet connection running. snip >> Let's re-state what you seem to be wanting to achieve. >> >> 1) Where the main telepone wall socket is, you want to connect your >> wireless phone docker. >> >> 2) 15 metres away, as the cable threads, you want to have your ADSL >> "modem". >> >> Is that accurate? > > YES! >> >> You need to bear in mind that your telephones (including the 'docker' for >> your wireless phone) must be plugged in via the 'telephone' socket on a >> DSL filter. > > YES THAT IS THE CASE AT THE MOMENT. I ONLY HAVE ONE PHONE BUT THAT IS > PLUGGED INTO THE DSL FILTER VIA THE FEMALE EXTENSION LEAD SOCKET But so is the extension lead; both are plugged into the telephone socket of a filter, which means that neither of them is getting a DSL signal. >> You also need to bear in mind that any lead to which your >> ADSL "Modem" is going to be connected, must at no point be plugged into >> the 'telephone' socket on a filter - the whole purpose of that filter is >> to stop ADSL signals getting to the telephone. >> >> So, your 'docker' must be plugged into a filter. If you put that filter >> directly into the wall socket, then you will need a 15 metre DSL lead (not >> a telephone lead, not an ethernet lead) from the 'internet' socket on that >> filter to your "modem". You can get such leads - preferably, get a 'heavy >> duty' one that has the ruggedness to take a few knocks; the short DSL >> leads supplied with most "modems" are a bit feeble. > > THIS SEEMS POSSIBLE. DISPENSING WITH THE TELEPHONE EXTENSION CABLE AS > I ONLY USE IT FOR THE MODEM ANYWAY AND REPLACING WITH DSL LEAD GOING > STRAIGHT TO MODEM... >> >> Or, you could have a simple 'telephone socket doubler' plugged directly >> into the wall socket, and run a telephone extension lead 15 metres to the >> "modem" and have a filter there, into the 'internet' socket of which you >> plug the "modem". That might work, if the telephone extension lead and >> all the plugs and sockets are in good condition and not at all loose or >> kinked. >> If you do that, you will need a second filter into the >> 'telephone' socket of which you will plug the 'docker', and then plug the >> filter into the other socket on the 'doubler'. > > DON'T QUITE GET LAST PART. I UNDERSTAND I HAVE A TELEPHONE SOCKET > DOUBLER WITH EXTENSION LEAD RUNNING OUT OF ONE DOUBLER SOCKET AND DSL > FILTER AND MODEM AT OTHER END. IN OTHER SOCKET OF DOUBLER I HAVE DSL > FILTER AND DOCKER CABLE. IS THIS CORRECT? IF SO SEEMS CHEAPEST OPTION. I think you've got the idea. It may be cheap, but it may not be reliable. >> That is putting a rather >> large mechanical strain on the wall socket, even if you can get all those >> things plugged in so close together, so the connections may not be very >> reliable. >> >> Or, you could put the "modem" next to the "docker", each plugged into its >> own socket on a filter plugged directly into the wall socket. Then run an >> 'ethernet' cable 15 metres from your "modem" to the computer - if the >> "modem" and computer both have ethernet sockets. > > MODEM WOULD PROBABLY GET STEPPED ON AS SOCKET BY FLOOR AND DON'T KNOW > IF SPEED TOUCH MODEM HAS ETHERNET SOCKET. So get a longer lead to go from the "modem" to the 'internet' socket on the filter. Then put the "modem" on a table or a shelf, or hang it on the wall if it has some means of doing that. Or get a really long lead to go from the "modem" to the internet socket on the filter in the wall socket, so that you can put the "modem" where you want it - and entirely do away with the cheap and possibly troublesome telephone extension lead. It is well worth considering the purchase of a combined "modem/router" to replace the "modem" supplied by your ISP. You get the added security of the router's own controls, as well as the possibility of sharing your internet connection with more than one computer, or of having internet sockets in more than one room. Some routers include a 'printer server' too, so that you can access your printer over your local network instead of having to have it directly wired to your computer. > MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP THUS FAR! >> > Matthew You're welcome. -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Hi Whiskers
Sorry for shouting answers and my questions. I tried your suggestion of a 'telephone socket doubler' as it was the easiest and cheapest option. But didn't make any difference. I think the problem is that the extension cable I currently have is just not able to take Broadband and I need to replace it with a longer version of the cable I running from the modem to the ADSL adapter and then to the main phone socket. In UK this is called an RJ11 cable and I will rig it up in place of the current extension cable. In effect duplicating the arrangement that works at the moment but with me sitting at my desk 15 metres away and not in the hallway as at the moment! So a big thankyou once again for all your help ;-0 Matthew Whiskers wrote: > On 2006-11-08, <> wrote: > > snip > > > OK I THINK WE ARE GETTING THERE > > PHONE DOCKER PLUGGED INTO THE FEMALE SOCKET OF THE EXTENSION CABLE, THE > > OTHER SIDE OF THAT SOCKET HAS A MALE ELEMENT WHICH IS IN TURN PLUGGED > > INTO THE THE FEMALE PHONE SOCKET OF THE ADSL FILTER. ON THE OTHER SIDE > > OF THE FILTER IS A SHORT LEAD ENDING IN A MALE SOCKET WHICH IS PLUGGED > > INTO THE SUPPLIER PHONE SOCKET. AT THE OTHER END OF THE 15 METRE PHONE > > CABLE IS A FEMALE SOCKET WHERE THE SECOND ADSL FILTER IS PLUGGED INTO. > > Please don't shout. > > So, your 'telephone extension lead' has a 'female' and 'male' connector > next to each other at one end? How odd. In effect, it operates exactly > like a 'doubler' and a normal extension lead, but a little bit neater. > > The significant point, however, is that you have the 15 metre telephone > extension lead that 'drives' the ADSL "modem", plugged into a 'telephone' > socket on a DSL filter. That means that no DSL signal is getting to the > "modem"; the whole purpose of the filter is to provide a telephone > connection from which the DSL signal has been removed, so that a normal > telephone can work properly even while you have your 'broadband' internet > connection running. > > snip > > >> Let's re-state what you seem to be wanting to achieve. > >> > >> 1) Where the main telepone wall socket is, you want to connect your > >> wireless phone docker. > >> > >> 2) 15 metres away, as the cable threads, you want to have your ADSL > >> "modem". > >> > >> Is that accurate? > > > > YES! > >> > >> You need to bear in mind that your telephones (including the 'docker' for > >> your wireless phone) must be plugged in via the 'telephone' socket on a > >> DSL filter. > > > > YES THAT IS THE CASE AT THE MOMENT. I ONLY HAVE ONE PHONE BUT THAT IS > > PLUGGED INTO THE DSL FILTER VIA THE FEMALE EXTENSION LEAD SOCKET > > But so is the extension lead; both are plugged into the telephone socket > of a filter, which means that neither of them is getting a DSL signal. > > >> You also need to bear in mind that any lead to which your > >> ADSL "Modem" is going to be connected, must at no point be plugged into > >> the 'telephone' socket on a filter - the whole purpose of that filter is > >> to stop ADSL signals getting to the telephone. > >> > >> So, your 'docker' must be plugged into a filter. If you put that filter > >> directly into the wall socket, then you will need a 15 metre DSL lead (not > >> a telephone lead, not an ethernet lead) from the 'internet' socket on that > >> filter to your "modem". You can get such leads - preferably, get a 'heavy > >> duty' one that has the ruggedness to take a few knocks; the short DSL > >> leads supplied with most "modems" are a bit feeble. > > > > THIS SEEMS POSSIBLE. DISPENSING WITH THE TELEPHONE EXTENSION CABLE AS > > I ONLY USE IT FOR THE MODEM ANYWAY AND REPLACING WITH DSL LEAD GOING > > STRAIGHT TO MODEM... > >> > >> Or, you could have a simple 'telephone socket doubler' plugged directly > >> into the wall socket, and run a telephone extension lead 15 metres to the > >> "modem" and have a filter there, into the 'internet' socket of which you > >> plug the "modem". That might work, if the telephone extension lead and > >> all the plugs and sockets are in good condition and not at all loose or > >> kinked. > >> If you do that, you will need a second filter into the > >> 'telephone' socket of which you will plug the 'docker', and then plug the > >> filter into the other socket on the 'doubler'. > > > > DON'T QUITE GET LAST PART. I UNDERSTAND I HAVE A TELEPHONE SOCKET > > DOUBLER WITH EXTENSION LEAD RUNNING OUT OF ONE DOUBLER SOCKET AND DSL > > FILTER AND MODEM AT OTHER END. IN OTHER SOCKET OF DOUBLER I HAVE DSL > > FILTER AND DOCKER CABLE. IS THIS CORRECT? IF SO SEEMS CHEAPEST OPTION. > > I think you've got the idea. > > It may be cheap, but it may not be reliable. > > >> That is putting a rather > >> large mechanical strain on the wall socket, even if you can get all those > >> things plugged in so close together, so the connections may not be very > >> reliable. > >> > >> Or, you could put the "modem" next to the "docker", each plugged into its > >> own socket on a filter plugged directly into the wall socket. Then run an > >> 'ethernet' cable 15 metres from your "modem" to the computer - if the > >> "modem" and computer both have ethernet sockets. > > > > MODEM WOULD PROBABLY GET STEPPED ON AS SOCKET BY FLOOR AND DON'T KNOW > > IF SPEED TOUCH MODEM HAS ETHERNET SOCKET. > > So get a longer lead to go from the "modem" to the 'internet' socket on > the filter. Then put the "modem" on a table or a shelf, or hang it on the > wall if it has some means of doing that. Or get a really long lead to go > from the "modem" to the internet socket on the filter in the wall socket, > so that you can put the "modem" where you want it - and entirely do away > with the cheap and possibly troublesome telephone extension lead. > > It is well worth considering the purchase of a combined "modem/router" to > replace the "modem" supplied by your ISP. You get the added security of > the router's own controls, as well as the possibility of sharing your > internet connection with more than one computer, or of having internet > sockets in more than one room. Some routers include a 'printer server' > too, so that you can access your printer over your local network instead > of having to have it directly wired to your computer. > > > MANY THANKS FOR YOUR HELP THUS FAR! > >> > > Matthew > > You're welcome. > > -- > -- ^^^^^^^^^^ > -- Whiskers > -- ~~~~~~~~~~ |
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On 2006-11-15, <> wrote:
> Hi Whiskers > > Sorry for shouting > answers and my questions. Cue insertion of my 'boilerplate' designed for the enlightenment of usenet newbies using Google:- Please quote the relevant text from the article you are replying to, so that people can see your response in context; this is a newsgroup, not a web forum The custom is to have a > at the start of each line from the previous post that you are quoting in yours, and to leave a blank line between the end of quoted text and the start of what you are typing. The Google Groups web interface for newsgroups, which you are using, 'quotes' the whole of the article you are replying to, so all you have to do is to delete the parts that aren't needed for your reply to make sense. If you want to insert some words of your own in the middle of the quoted text from the previous article, you can move your 'typing cursor' to the appropriate point and hit return twice to insert a blank line at that point, then hit return again to get a new line where you can start typing. When you've finished that part of your reply, hit return again to get an empty line between the end of your words and the place where the next portion of the previous article is 'quoted'. You should not type anything in a new message on a line that starts with a > as it will then look as though what you are typing is part of the previous message that you are replying to. Most people do not use Google Groups to read and post in newsgroups, and do not see the articles displayed in the way that Google does it. Newcomers to newsgroups should start here <http://computer.howstuffworks.com/newsgroup.htm> and here <http://members.fortunecity.com/nnqweb/>, the Official Home Page of the newsgroup called news.newusers.questions. > I tried your suggestion of a 'telephone socket doubler' as it was the > easiest and cheapest option. But didn't make any difference. I think > the problem is that the extension cable I currently have is just not > able to take Broadband and I need to replace it with a longer version > of the cable I running from the modem to the ADSL adapter and then to > the main phone socket. In UK this is called an RJ11 cable and I will > rig it up in place of the current extension cable. In effect > duplicating the arrangement that works at the moment but with me > sitting at my desk 15 metres away and not in the hallway as at the > moment! Yes; as long as your new cable is plugged into the 'internet' socket on the 'filter'. Nothing plugged into the 'telephone' socket on the filter will have an ADSL connection. > So a big thankyou once again for all your help ;-0 Good luck -- -- ^^^^^^^^^^ -- Whiskers -- ~~~~~~~~~~ |
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