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Lookout
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      09-09-2006
Who do I report it to? My ISP is no help what so ever. They refuse to
do anything and tell me to ignore it but I consider it threatening.

thanks
 
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Kev
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      09-09-2006

"Lookout" <> wrote in message news:...
> Who do I report it to? My ISP is no help what so ever. They refuse to
> do anything and tell me to ignore it but I consider it threatening.
>
> thanks


Your own ISP can do nothing anyway - you need to report it to the senders ISP.

Though personally I would take your ISP's advice ...

Kev


 
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Mike Easter
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      09-09-2006
Lookout wrote:
> Who do I report it to? My ISP is no help what so ever. They refuse to
> do anything and tell me to ignore it but I consider it threatening.


If you are receiving unwanted and unsolicited mail from someone whom you
have never mailed....

[as opposed to -- you used to correspond with someone and during the
correspondence you decided you didn't want to correspond any more]

.... and the mail you are receiving is able to be satisfactorily
'tracked' to the sender's own provider....

[as opposed to -- the mail you are receiving is being transmitted in
some untraceable way, either like most spam by abused open proxy or by
usage of some kind of anonymizing remailer]

.... then one effective way to 'correspond' is to send an email back to
the sender and to the sender's provider which doesn't 'argue' or
otherwise address any of the remarks of the sender but which simply says
"Do not email me." in some words or another. The donotemailme carries
the attachment of the offending unsolicited and unwanted mail so that
the sender's provider can see what is going on.

Then, if there is future emailing, especially if it is 'unpleasant', the
sender's provider should be on your side against their client and their
client's abuse of the terms of service of the provider's contract.

If a mail fulfills certain 'difficult' parameters to qualify as a
genuinely 'threatening' email, which requirements are fairly high, and
not some loose concept of 'harassment' which /some/ people would
consider anything which they 'don't like', then the threat becomes one
which reaches the 'threat' bar which can involve law enforcement.

When a threat is sufficiently real to involve law enforcement, the
sender's provider can be subpoena/ed to provide the personal
information on the sender's account.



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Bert Hyman
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      09-09-2006
In news: Lookout
<> wrote:

> Who do I report it to? My ISP is no help what so ever. They refuse to
> do anything and tell me to ignore it but I consider it threatening.


Is it ->really threatening, or just annoying junk mail?

If it's ->really threatening, then you should contact a law enforcement
agency.

If it's just annoying junk mail, learn how to delete email messages.

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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN
 
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Mike Easter
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      09-09-2006
Lookout wrote:
Subject: Help with harrassing\threatening email

Almost all unwanted email should simply be ignored and discarded. It is
highly unlikely to represent a genuine and realistic threat to your
person or property.

Such unwanted mail most often results from some kind of mailing list or
usenet unpleasant interactions, in which both parties are making 'ad
hominem' attacks on each other.

Then one of the parties wants to 'report' the other party for something
they said.

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Vanguard
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      09-10-2006
"Lookout" <> wrote in message
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> Who do I report it to? My ISP is no help what so ever. They refuse
> to
> do anything and tell me to ignore it but I consider it threatening.



What would you do at a grocery store for someone threatening you
there? It's not the store's responsibility to protect their patrons
from each other. It's not the ISP's responsibility to be your
personal police. They might help but they aren't required to. You
need to attack the source. You haven't provided a copy of the
so-called threatening e-mail (with personal info obliterated, yours
and theirs) for anyone to provide you with specific help.

If the unwanted e-mails come from the same source, use rules to block
those e-mails. Blocking on the From header might work (but not with
spam). If the From header changes but the source IP address is the
same then block on the IP address (you may need to employ anti-spam
software or use an e-mail program that lets you interrogate the
headers to see the sender's IP address and block on it). If the
offender is the only one from whom you receive e-mail from that domain
then block on the domain. If the e-mail address is only used to
receive mails from friends and family, send them an e-mail that they
must add a pass code or magic string to the Subject, some sequence of
characters that only you and they would know, and use a rule to
auto-delete any e-mails that don't contain that passcode. You could
also test on the pass code being included in the To or Cc headers.
That way, they save your e-mail address in their address book and add
the pass code to your name so it appears in the To/Cc header when they
address their mails to you (and they don't have to remember to add it
to the Subject header). You could define a rule to delete e-mails
from unknown senders; i.e., a rule that accepts e-mails only from
those in your address book (the mail account becomes exclusive so only
known senders can get their mails to you).

 
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Lookout
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      09-10-2006
On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:10:24 -0500, "Vanguard"
<> wrote:

>"Lookout" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> Who do I report it to? My ISP is no help what so ever. They refuse
>> to
>> do anything and tell me to ignore it but I consider it threatening.

>
>
>What would you do at a grocery store for someone threatening you
>there? It's not the store's responsibility to protect their patrons
>from each other. It's not the ISP's responsibility to be your
>personal police. They might help but they aren't required to. You
>need to attack the source. You haven't provided a copy of the
>so-called threatening e-mail (with personal info obliterated, yours
>and theirs) for anyone to provide you with specific help.
>
>If the unwanted e-mails come from the same source, use rules to block
>those e-mails. Blocking on the From header might work (but not with
>spam). If the From header changes but the source IP address is the
>same then block on the IP address (you may need to employ anti-spam
>software or use an e-mail program that lets you interrogate the
>headers to see the sender's IP address and block on it). If the
>offender is the only one from whom you receive e-mail from that domain
>then block on the domain. If the e-mail address is only used to
>receive mails from friends and family, send them an e-mail that they
>must add a pass code or magic string to the Subject, some sequence of
>characters that only you and they would know, and use a rule to
>auto-delete any e-mails that don't contain that passcode. You could
>also test on the pass code being included in the To or Cc headers.
>That way, they save your e-mail address in their address book and add
>the pass code to your name so it appears in the To/Cc header when they
>address their mails to you (and they don't have to remember to add it
>to the Subject header). You could define a rule to delete e-mails
>from unknown senders; i.e., a rule that accepts e-mails only from
>those in your address book (the mail account becomes exclusive so only
>known senders can get their mails to you).


I consider unwanted and unasked for repeated emails from any religious
entity to be harassing and threatening if you've asked them to stop
through 'normal' channels. Simply ignoring them is not enough as far
as I'm concerned.
Just this thing I have about religious whackos I guess.
 
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Wereo_SUPREMACY
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      09-10-2006

Lookout wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 23:10:24 -0500, "Vanguard"
> <> wrote:
>
> >"Lookout" <> wrote in message
> >news:.. .
> >> Who do I report it to? My ISP is no help what so ever. They refuse
> >> to
> >> do anything and tell me to ignore it but I consider it threatening.

> >
> >
> >What would you do at a grocery store for someone threatening you
> >there? It's not the store's responsibility to protect their patrons
> >from each other. It's not the ISP's responsibility to be your
> >personal police. They might help but they aren't required to. You
> >need to attack the source. You haven't provided a copy of the
> >so-called threatening e-mail (with personal info obliterated, yours
> >and theirs) for anyone to provide you with specific help.
> >
> >If the unwanted e-mails come from the same source, use rules to block
> >those e-mails. Blocking on the From header might work (but not with
> >spam). If the From header changes but the source IP address is the
> >same then block on the IP address (you may need to employ anti-spam
> >software or use an e-mail program that lets you interrogate the
> >headers to see the sender's IP address and block on it). If the
> >offender is the only one from whom you receive e-mail from that domain
> >then block on the domain. If the e-mail address is only used to
> >receive mails from friends and family, send them an e-mail that they
> >must add a pass code or magic string to the Subject, some sequence of
> >characters that only you and they would know, and use a rule to
> >auto-delete any e-mails that don't contain that passcode. You could
> >also test on the pass code being included in the To or Cc headers.
> >That way, they save your e-mail address in their address book and add
> >the pass code to your name so it appears in the To/Cc header when they
> >address their mails to you (and they don't have to remember to add it
> >to the Subject header). You could define a rule to delete e-mails
> >from unknown senders; i.e., a rule that accepts e-mails only from
> >those in your address book (the mail account becomes exclusive so only
> >known senders can get their mails to you).

>
> I consider unwanted and unasked for repeated emails from any religious
> entity to be harassing and threatening if you've asked them to stop
> through 'normal' channels. Simply ignoring them is not enough as far
> as I'm concerned.
> Just this thing I have about religious whackos I guess.

That's not a "threatening" email. A threatening email is when someone
denotes they hope "your health insurance paid up because they're coming
to break your kneecaps" or out and out "coming to kill you."

What you're getting there is repetitive ANNOYANCE emails and the
correct advice is to block them best way you can.

 
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Mike Easter
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      09-10-2006
Lookout wrote:

> I consider unwanted and unasked for repeated emails from any religious
> entity to be harassing and threatening if you've asked them to stop
> through 'normal' channels.


Sounds like religious spam to me. That isn't even against the can-spam
act/laws if properly configured. It is not only not 'threatening' it is
legal bulk and unsolicited and unwanted.

> Simply ignoring them is not enough as far
> as I'm concerned.


Would it help to make them 'disappear' with software if you aren't able
to make them disappear with your 'brain'? Maybe if you don't ever see
them you won't feel threatened.

> Just this thing I have about religious whackos I guess.


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ProfGene
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      09-10-2006
Lookout wrote:
> Who do I report it to? My ISP is no help what so ever. They refuse to
> do anything and tell me to ignore it but I consider it threatening.
>
> thanks

Turn it over to law enforcement in your area.
 
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