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Herold
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      08-23-2006
Hi, I'm just trying newsgroups to download binaries files. I'm using
NewsLeecher. I have subscribed myself to binary newsgroup on some free
server but the problem is there is none complete archive. Some parts
are allways missing. Is it possible to download complete archives from
free server(s) or will I have to sign up to some paid server
(Giganews)? I must say the second alternative is nonsense for me 'cause
why to pay for dowloading on usenet when there are tons of binaries in
torrents... :-/

thanx

 
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      08-23-2006
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:54:46 -0700, Herold Has Frothed:

> Hi, I'm just trying newsgroups to download binaries files. I'm using
> NewsLeecher. I have subscribed myself to binary newsgroup on some free
> server but the problem is there is none complete archive. Some parts are
> allways missing. Is it possible to download complete archives from free
> server(s) or will I have to sign up to some paid server (Giganews)? I must
> say the second alternative is nonsense for me 'cause why to pay for
> dowloading on usenet when there are tons of binaries in torrents... :-/
>
> thanx


Free servers are notorious for incompletes.
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Mike Easter
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      08-23-2006
Herold wrote:
> Hi, I'm just trying newsgroups to download binaries files. I'm using
> NewsLeecher. I have subscribed myself to binary newsgroup on some free
> server but the problem is there is none complete archive. Some parts
> are allways missing. Is it possible to download complete archives from
> free server(s) or will I have to sign up to some paid server
> (Giganews)? I must say the second alternative is nonsense for me
> 'cause why to pay for dowloading on usenet when there are tons of
> binaries in torrents... :-/


How much misery you have with binaries depends on how cheap you want
your downloads.

Some people use news agents which can access multiple newsservers, so
they access multiple frees and they also use commercial NSPs to solve
'fills' problems at the most economical rate. If you aren't downloading
much from the commercial NSP you can buy a non-expiring block at a low
rate.

http://www.bnr2.org/bnrfeat.html Support for multiple news servers
simultaneously -- NewzBin NZB support -- Server modes (blind servers
and header servers) . BNR2 allows assigning roles to individual servers
such as Article-Only servers, which skip downloading headers and
attempts to download articles based on the Message-ID's already
downloaded from one or more other server.

Other people decide to do it the easy way and just subscribe to a
commercial nsp to save the 'hassle'. Then they just shop for where is
the best deal which is the most convenient and reliable where they get
the number of gigs they need for the price which is acceptable.



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      08-23-2006
Mike Easter wrote:
> Herold wrote:
> > Hi, I'm just trying newsgroups to download binaries files. I'm using
> > NewsLeecher. I have subscribed myself to binary newsgroup on some free
> > server but the problem is there is none complete archive. Some parts
> > are allways missing. Is it possible to download complete archives from
> > free server(s) or will I have to sign up to some paid server
> > (Giganews)? I must say the second alternative is nonsense for me
> > 'cause why to pay for dowloading on usenet when there are tons of
> > binaries in torrents... :-/

>
> How much misery you have with binaries depends on how cheap you want
> your downloads.
>
> Some people use news agents which can access multiple newsservers, so
> they access multiple frees and they also use commercial NSPs to solve
> 'fills' problems at the most economical rate. If you aren't downloading
> much from the commercial NSP you can buy a non-expiring block at a low
> rate.
>
> http://www.bnr2.org/bnrfeat.html Support for multiple news servers
> simultaneously -- NewzBin NZB support -- Server modes (blind servers
> and header servers) . BNR2 allows assigning roles to individual servers
> such as Article-Only servers, which skip downloading headers and
> attempts to download articles based on the Message-ID's already
> downloaded from one or more other server.
>
> Other people decide to do it the easy way and just subscribe to a
> commercial nsp to save the 'hassle'. Then they just shop for where is
> the best deal which is the most convenient and reliable where they get
> the number of gigs they need for the price which is acceptable.
>
>
>
> --
> Mike Easter


Thank you, but all the work with binaries looks so exhausting... Is
there some reason why use newsgroups instead of torrents or other p2p
services (eDonkey etc.) ?

 
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      08-23-2006
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:12:42 -0700, Herold Has Frothed:

> Mike Easter wrote:
>> Herold wrote:
>> > Hi, I'm just trying newsgroups to download binaries files. I'm using
>> > NewsLeecher. I have subscribed myself to binary newsgroup on some free
>> > server but the problem is there is none complete archive. Some parts
>> > are allways missing. Is it possible to download complete archives from
>> > free server(s) or will I have to sign up to some paid server
>> > (Giganews)? I must say the second alternative is nonsense for me
>> > 'cause why to pay for dowloading on usenet when there are tons of
>> > binaries in torrents... :-/

>>
>> How much misery you have with binaries depends on how cheap you want
>> your downloads.
>>
>> Some people use news agents which can access multiple newsservers, so
>> they access multiple frees and they also use commercial NSPs to solve
>> 'fills' problems at the most economical rate. If you aren't downloading
>> much from the commercial NSP you can buy a non-expiring block at a low
>> rate.
>>
>> http://www.bnr2.org/bnrfeat.html Support for multiple news servers
>> simultaneously -- NewzBin NZB support -- Server modes (blind servers
>> and header servers) . BNR2 allows assigning roles to individual servers
>> such as Article-Only servers, which skip downloading headers and
>> attempts to download articles based on the Message-ID's already
>> downloaded from one or more other server.
>>
>> Other people decide to do it the easy way and just subscribe to a
>> commercial nsp to save the 'hassle'. Then they just shop for where is
>> the best deal which is the most convenient and reliable where they get
>> the number of gigs they need for the price which is acceptable.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Easter

>
> Thank you, but all the work with binaries looks so exhausting... Is there
> some reason why use newsgroups instead of torrents or other p2p services
> (eDonkey etc.) ?


Depends on what you want to download.
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      08-23-2006

Meat Plow wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:12:42 -0700, Herold Has Frothed:
>
> > Mike Easter wrote:
> >> Herold wrote:
> >> > Hi, I'm just trying newsgroups to download binaries files. I'm using
> >> > NewsLeecher. I have subscribed myself to binary newsgroup on some free
> >> > server but the problem is there is none complete archive. Some parts
> >> > are allways missing. Is it possible to download complete archives from
> >> > free server(s) or will I have to sign up to some paid server
> >> > (Giganews)? I must say the second alternative is nonsense for me
> >> > 'cause why to pay for dowloading on usenet when there are tons of
> >> > binaries in torrents... :-/
> >>
> >> How much misery you have with binaries depends on how cheap you want
> >> your downloads.
> >>
> >> Some people use news agents which can access multiple newsservers, so
> >> they access multiple frees and they also use commercial NSPs to solve
> >> 'fills' problems at the most economical rate. If you aren't downloading
> >> much from the commercial NSP you can buy a non-expiring block at a low
> >> rate.
> >>
> >> http://www.bnr2.org/bnrfeat.html Support for multiple news servers
> >> simultaneously -- NewzBin NZB support -- Server modes (blind servers
> >> and header servers) . BNR2 allows assigning roles to individual servers
> >> such as Article-Only servers, which skip downloading headers and
> >> attempts to download articles based on the Message-ID's already
> >> downloaded from one or more other server.
> >>
> >> Other people decide to do it the easy way and just subscribe to a
> >> commercial nsp to save the 'hassle'. Then they just shop for where is
> >> the best deal which is the most convenient and reliable where they get
> >> the number of gigs they need for the price which is acceptable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mike Easter

> >
> > Thank you, but all the work with binaries looks so exhausting... Is there
> > some reason why use newsgroups instead of torrents or other p2p services
> > (eDonkey etc.) ?

>
> Depends on what you want to download.
> --
>
> Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004


I understand.
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      08-23-2006
Herold wrote:

> Thank you, but all the work with binaries looks so exhausting... Is
> there some reason why use newsgroups instead of torrents or other p2p
> services (eDonkey etc.) ?


That is a complicated subject.

The 'best' way to transfer large files is ftp them from an ftp
server/source with some advantages and disadvantages to torrent and
other p2p. I like to dl linux distros from ftp mirrors rather than
torrent, but that's just me.

My previous broadband provider didn't want/allow people on cable modems
to be 'bandwidth hogs' using an asymmetric bandwidth system and
functioning as a binary uploader/p2pserver. My current provider hasn't
stated an official position, but if I were a broadband provider, I would
be snooping for uploading p2p activity.

The 'angle' on why nntp newsgroup binary sharing is so 'abused' and
convoluted and such a burden on provider's free newsservers is
complicated by some privacy issues.

So, the unsimple answer to your question is that 'It depends.'

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      08-23-2006

On 23 Aug 2006 10:12:42 -0700, Herold wrote:

>Mike Easter wrote:
>> Herold wrote:
>> > Hi, I'm just trying newsgroups to download binaries files. I'm using
>> > NewsLeecher. I have subscribed myself to binary newsgroup on some free
>> > server but the problem is there is none complete archive. Some parts
>> > are allways missing. Is it possible to download complete archives from
>> > free server(s) or will I have to sign up to some paid server
>> > (Giganews)? I must say the second alternative is nonsense for me


Worth looking at, Giganews has very high completion, great speed and
long retention something like 70 days for binary.

I used to use the free (included with ISP) Usenet servers and some low
cap, low cost commercial servers to replace missing parts but it wasn't
worth the trouble, as well as the extra cost.

Stopped all that and for a while went to Giganews, still keeping the
account active for the ocassional use.

>> > 'cause why to pay for dowloading on usenet when there are tons of
>> > binaries in torrents... :-/


Because you get all the parts with the right server.

>> How much misery you have with binaries depends on how cheap you want
>> your downloads.
>>
>> Some people use news agents which can access multiple newsservers, so
>> they access multiple frees and they also use commercial NSPs to solve
>> 'fills' problems at the most economical rate. If you aren't downloading
>> much from the commercial NSP you can buy a non-expiring block at a low
>> rate.


You may want to look at Forte Agent and Newsleecher (also has a usenet
search index).

<snip>
>>
>> Other people decide to do it the easy way and just subscribe to a
>> commercial nsp to save the 'hassle'. Then they just shop for where is
>> the best deal which is the most convenient and reliable where they get
>> the number of gigs they need for the price which is acceptable.


Agree.


>> Mike Easter

>
>Thank you, but all the work with binaries looks so exhausting... Is


Not with a gooed Usenet reader, it does the work for you.

>there some reason why use newsgroups instead of torrents or other p2p
>services (eDonkey etc.) ?


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      08-23-2006
On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:33:38 -0700, Herold Has Frothed:

> Subject: Re: Missing binaries parts on free servers
> From: "Herold" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> Newsgroups: 24hoursupport.helpdesk
> Date: 23 Aug 2006 10:33:38 -0700
>
>
> Meat Plow wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 10:12:42 -0700, Herold Has Frothed:
>>
>> > Mike Easter wrote:
>> >> Herold wrote:
>> >> > Hi, I'm just trying newsgroups to download binaries files. I'm
>> >> > using NewsLeecher. I have subscribed myself to binary newsgroup on
>> >> > some free server but the problem is there is none complete archive.
>> >> > Some parts are allways missing. Is it possible to download complete
>> >> > archives from free server(s) or will I have to sign up to some paid
>> >> > server (Giganews)? I must say the second alternative is nonsense
>> >> > for me 'cause why to pay for dowloading on usenet when there are
>> >> > tons of binaries in torrents... :-/
>> >>
>> >> How much misery you have with binaries depends on how cheap you want
>> >> your downloads.
>> >>
>> >> Some people use news agents which can access multiple newsservers, so
>> >> they access multiple frees and they also use commercial NSPs to solve
>> >> 'fills' problems at the most economical rate. If you aren't
>> >> downloading much from the commercial NSP you can buy a non-expiring
>> >> block at a low rate.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.bnr2.org/bnrfeat.html Support for multiple news servers
>> >> simultaneously -- NewzBin NZB support -- Server modes (blind servers
>> >> and header servers) . BNR2 allows assigning roles to individual
>> >> servers such as Article-Only servers, which skip downloading headers
>> >> and attempts to download articles based on the Message-ID's already
>> >> downloaded from one or more other server.
>> >>
>> >> Other people decide to do it the easy way and just subscribe to a
>> >> commercial nsp to save the 'hassle'. Then they just shop for where
>> >> is the best deal which is the most convenient and reliable where they
>> >> get the number of gigs they need for the price which is acceptable.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Mike Easter
>> >
>> > Thank you, but all the work with binaries looks so exhausting... Is
>> > there some reason why use newsgroups instead of torrents or other p2p
>> > services (eDonkey etc.) ?

>>
>> Depends on what you want to download. --
>>
>> Pierre Salinger Memorial Hook, Line & Sinker, June 2004

>
> I understand.


Most torrent trackers and other p2p services don't like leaches if you're
intent on illegal content.

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      08-23-2006
Meat Plow wrote:
> Most torrent trackers and other p2p services don't like leaches if you're
> intent on illegal content.


Yeah, I know. One of my friends have 'little' problem with this...

 
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