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Recently bought an Advent notebook which does not have recovery media
supplied but an inbuilt utility for making your own which I've done, after
installing AV, firewall and a few other things but it only let's one use of
it!
Curious as to whether this utility has also backed up these added extras as
well similar to True Image etc.? Have looked Advent support site but
couldn't find the answer to this one.
Is there any way of cheating this utility to get more than one use of it or
should I install something like True Image?
Alternatively I already have True Image on main PC which is wirelessly
connected via router to notebook. Can I run it from there to make a disk
image of the notebook?
There is also a 4.75GB FAT32 recovery partition on HDD.
If I use True Image could I make this usable space?
Sorry if this is a bit long winded but would apreciate any advice or
suggestions.

--
Kenny Cargill

"Kenny" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Recently bought an Advent notebook which does not have recovery
> media supplied but an inbuilt utility for making your own which I've
> done, after installing AV, firewall and a few other things but it
> only let's one use of it!
> Curious as to whether this utility has also backed up these added
> extras as well similar to True Image etc.? Have looked Advent
> support site but couldn't find the answer to this one.
> Is there any way of cheating this utility to get more than one use
> of it or should I install something like True Image?
> Alternatively I already have True Image on main PC which is
> wirelessly connected via router to notebook. Can I run it from
> there to make a disk image of the notebook?
> There is also a 4.75GB FAT32 recovery partition on HDD.
> If I use True Image could I make this usable space?
> Sorry if this is a bit long winded but would apreciate any advice or
> suggestions.


It is very likely that the Advent "utility" simply saves a
pre-recorded image (from a file or partition) onto the CD-R[W] so that
is the image you get when you restore. It is unlikely that it saves
an image of the current state of your hard drive(s). You will lose
everything when you restore using that type of restore CD and be back
to what the host looked like when you first got it. The blurb at
http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/laptop/4480.htm (you never
mentioned YOUR model) indicates that you can do an in-place upgrade or
repair of the Windows OS without losing other setup. So you can get
the OS working again but the utility is not for saving images of the
current state of the hard drive(s). The manual that came with your
laptop doesn't describe this "utility"?

You sure the Advent utility for making recovery media isn't reading
from a hidden partition (or using an image file)? Many of those
"restore" utilities that create a CD simply read an image file, often
in its own partition, that is then used to lay that image atop the OS
partition on the hard drive. That wipes everything out on the OS
partition and brings you back to the same state as when you bought the
computer. So all your applications, configuration, and data on that
partition are lost because an image is laid atop that partition.
Since you have True Image, you can do all your application installs,
configurations, tweaking, and data file saves and then save an image
to use for restoration. However, the image you create on one host
cannot be used on any other host unless the hardware is [nearly]
identical.

The Acronis license probably lets you use the personal version on just
one computer. Which version do you have? Home or Workstation
version? Or do you have the Server or Enterprise version? Read the
license for whatever version you happen to have. The reason the
personal or Home version(s) are cheaper is that they don't include
server-based backups for remote/client hosts and other enterprise
features. They also expect you to use it on one host and not go
installing it on multitudes of hosts everywhere. You didn't buy a
site license. You just bought a personal-use, one-host license.

With the Server versions of True Image, a client needs to be installed
on the hosts to be backed up to send the data back to the server to be
recorded. I suppose they could read through the networked drives or
shared resources but that would be a logical file backup and not a
partition/drive image. Something has to be on the host to which the
server can communicate. If you are using a personal version, it
installs on just the one host and that is the only host you get to
image using that license. While you can save the image to a neworked
drive or restore from an image file on a networked drive, there is
nothing running on the remote host to read its disks to send back the
data for your instance of TrueImage to save. You will need another
legit copy of TrueImage Home on each of your hosts; i.e., you'll need
to buy another copy for your laptop. Again, read the license. They
may permit more than one host on which you can install their personal
version but, at just $25 apiece, I doubt it.

Look at the license for True Image. It probably says that you get to
use it on only one host. You currently have it installed on your
desktop. The license may permit (or simply not restrict) you from
uninstalling their software from one host and installing on another.
That is, you can move it around as long as it is installed on only one
host at a time. However, because its install CD is probably bootable
so it can be used as a standalone product (i.e., it's not installed on
the host), the license may restrict you to using it on only one host.
Otherwise, a small company would buy just one copy of their product
and go walking around to each host to boot from its CD to save images
of each. If you don't buy their server version, or you don't buy
"seats" for each host (by buying multiple or volume licenses), they
probably want you to buy a license for EACH host on which you use the
personal version. With the Home version, you are buying just one
license to use on one host.

Thanks for the detailed reply.
The Advent model is 7096, 331 series.
Have since discovered that as well a the PC World support here:
http://www.pcservicecall.co.uk/Layout.aspx?ID={83fc02db-cfe2-4a17-b721-6293437d63f4}&CatID={7eb8e27d-3b7c-45e0-bfb3-6886b4584728}
I can also get drivers/BIOS/manual from ECS who actually make Advent here:
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWeb/Downloa...uID=71&LanID=9
Have also found an unofficial Advent forum which I have subscribed to here:.
http://www.w00tw00t.co.uk/support/.
There is as I said a 4.7GB, hidden to Explorer, partition but it can be seen
in Disk Management.
Like you said that's likely where the DVD image is being taken from but why
can't I make more than one copy, that seems unnecessarily restrictive to me.
What I haven't as yet tried is making a copy of the DVD restore disc I have
made already, I hope they haven't put some sort of protection on that as
well.
As for True Image I only know it's Version 9, build 2.245, I haven't used it
much but will look at it in more detail to see what I can do with it.
Thanks again for your input.

--
Kenny Cargill

"Cigarettes are killers that travel in packs."

"Vanguard" <> wrote in message
news:. ..
> "Kenny" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Recently bought an Advent notebook which does not have recovery media
>> supplied but an inbuilt utility for making your own which I've done,
>> after installing AV, firewall and a few other things but it only let's
>> one use of it!
>> Curious as to whether this utility has also backed up these added extras
>> as well similar to True Image etc.? Have looked Advent support site but
>> couldn't find the answer to this one.
>> Is there any way of cheating this utility to get more than one use of it
>> or should I install something like True Image?
>> Alternatively I already have True Image on main PC which is wirelessly
>> connected via router to notebook. Can I run it from there to make a disk
>> image of the notebook?
>> There is also a 4.75GB FAT32 recovery partition on HDD.
>> If I use True Image could I make this usable space?
>> Sorry if this is a bit long winded but would apreciate any advice or
>> suggestions.
>
>
> It is very likely that the Advent "utility" simply saves a pre-recorded
> image (from a file or partition) onto the CD-R[W] so that is the image you
> get when you restore. It is unlikely that it saves an image of the
> current state of your hard drive(s). You will lose everything when you
> restore using that type of restore CD and be back to what the host looked
> like when you first got it. The blurb at
> http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/laptop/4480.htm (you never mentioned
> YOUR model) indicates that you can do an in-place upgrade or repair of the
> Windows OS without losing other setup. So you can get the OS working
> again but the utility is not for saving images of the current state of the
> hard drive(s). The manual that came with your laptop doesn't describe
> this "utility"?
>
> You sure the Advent utility for making recovery media isn't reading from a
> hidden partition (or using an image file)? Many of those "restore"
> utilities that create a CD simply read an image file, often in its own
> partition, that is then used to lay that image atop the OS partition on
> the hard drive. That wipes everything out on the OS partition and brings
> you back to the same state as when you bought the computer. So all your
> applications, configuration, and data on that partition are lost because
> an image is laid atop that partition. Since you have True Image, you can
> do all your application installs, configurations, tweaking, and data file
> saves and then save an image to use for restoration. However, the image
> you create on one host cannot be used on any other host unless the
> hardware is [nearly] identical.
>
> The Acronis license probably lets you use the personal version on just one
> computer. Which version do you have? Home or Workstation version? Or do
> you have the Server or Enterprise version? Read the license for whatever
> version you happen to have. The reason the personal or Home version(s)
> are cheaper is that they don't include server-based backups for
> remote/client hosts and other enterprise features. They also expect you
> to use it on one host and not go installing it on multitudes of hosts
> everywhere. You didn't buy a site license. You just bought a
> personal-use, one-host license.
>
> With the Server versions of True Image, a client needs to be installed on
> the hosts to be backed up to send the data back to the server to be
> recorded. I suppose they could read through the networked drives or
> shared resources but that would be a logical file backup and not a
> partition/drive image. Something has to be on the host to which the
> server can communicate. If you are using a personal version, it installs
> on just the one host and that is the only host you get to image using that
> license. While you can save the image to a neworked drive or restore from
> an image file on a networked drive, there is nothing running on the remote
> host to read its disks to send back the data for your instance of
> TrueImage to save. You will need another legit copy of TrueImage Home on
> each of your hosts; i.e., you'll need to buy another copy for your laptop.
> Again, read the license. They may permit more than one host on which you
> can install their personal version but, at just $25 apiece, I doubt it.
>
> Look at the license for True Image. It probably says that you get to use
> it on only one host. You currently have it installed on your desktop.
> The license may permit (or simply not restrict) you from uninstalling
> their software from one host and installing on another. That is, you can
> move it around as long as it is installed on only one host at a time.
> However, because its install CD is probably bootable so it can be used as
> a standalone product (i.e., it's not installed on the host), the license
> may restrict you to using it on only one host. Otherwise, a small company
> would buy just one copy of their product and go walking around to each
> host to boot from its CD to save images of each. If you don't buy their
> server version, or you don't buy "seats" for each host (by buying multiple
> or volume licenses), they probably want you to buy a license for EACH host
> on which you use the personal version. With the Home version, you are
> buying just one license to use on one host.
>

Vanguard wrote:
> "Kenny" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>
>> Recently bought an Advent notebook which does not have recovery media
>> supplied but an inbuilt utility for making your own which I've done,
>> after installing AV, firewall and a few other things but it only let's
>> one use of it!
>> Curious as to whether this utility has also backed up these added
>> extras as well similar to True Image etc.? Have looked Advent support
>> site but couldn't find the answer to this one.
>> Is there any way of cheating this utility to get more than one use of
>> it or should I install something like True Image?
>> Alternatively I already have True Image on main PC which is wirelessly
>> connected via router to notebook. Can I run it from there to make a
>> disk image of the notebook?
>> There is also a 4.75GB FAT32 recovery partition on HDD.
>> If I use True Image could I make this usable space?
>> Sorry if this is a bit long winded but would apreciate any advice or
>> suggestions.
>
>
>
> It is very likely that the Advent "utility" simply saves a pre-recorded
> image (from a file or partition) onto the CD-R[W] so that is the image
> you get when you restore. It is unlikely that it saves an image of the
> current state of your hard drive(s). You will lose everything when you
> restore using that type of restore CD and be back to what the host
> looked like when you first got it. The blurb at
> http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/advent/laptop/4480.htm (you never mentioned
> YOUR model) indicates that you can do an in-place upgrade or repair of
> the Windows OS without losing other setup. So you can get the OS
> working again but the utility is not for saving images of the current
> state of the hard drive(s). The manual that came with your laptop
> doesn't describe this "utility"?
>
> You sure the Advent utility for making recovery media isn't reading from
> a hidden partition (or using an image file)? Many of those "restore"
> utilities that create a CD simply read an image file, often in its own
> partition, that is then used to lay that image atop the OS partition on
> the hard drive. That wipes everything out on the OS partition and
> brings you back to the same state as when you bought the computer. So
> all your applications, configuration, and data on that partition are
> lost because an image is laid atop that partition. Since you have True
> Image, you can do all your application installs, configurations,
> tweaking, and data file saves and then save an image to use for
> restoration. However, the image you create on one host cannot be used
> on any other host unless the hardware is [nearly] identical.
>
> The Acronis license probably lets you use the personal version on just
> one computer. Which version do you have? Home or Workstation version?
> Or do you have the Server or Enterprise version? Read the license for
> whatever version you happen to have. The reason the personal or Home
> version(s) are cheaper is that they don't include server-based backups
> for remote/client hosts and other enterprise features. They also expect
> you to use it on one host and not go installing it on multitudes of
> hosts everywhere. You didn't buy a site license. You just bought a
> personal-use, one-host license.
>
> With the Server versions of True Image, a client needs to be installed
> on the hosts to be backed up to send the data back to the server to be
> recorded. I suppose they could read through the networked drives or
> shared resources but that would be a logical file backup and not a
> partition/drive image. Something has to be on the host to which the
> server can communicate. If you are using a personal version, it
> installs on just the one host and that is the only host you get to image
> using that license. While you can save the image to a neworked drive or
> restore from an image file on a networked drive, there is nothing
> running on the remote host to read its disks to send back the data for
> your instance of TrueImage to save. You will need another legit copy of
> TrueImage Home on each of your hosts; i.e., you'll need to buy another
> copy for your laptop. Again, read the license. They may permit more
> than one host on which you can install their personal version but, at
> just $25 apiece, I doubt it.
>
> Look at the license for True Image. It probably says that you get to
> use it on only one host. You currently have it installed on your
> desktop. The license may permit (or simply not restrict) you from
> uninstalling their software from one host and installing on another.
> That is, you can move it around as long as it is installed on only one
> host at a time. However, because its install CD is probably bootable so
> it can be used as a standalone product (i.e., it's not installed on the
> host), the license may restrict you to using it on only one host.
> Otherwise, a small company would buy just one copy of their product and
> go walking around to each host to boot from its CD to save images of
> each. If you don't buy their server version, or you don't buy "seats"
> for each host (by buying multiple or volume licenses), they probably
> want you to buy a license for EACH host on which you use the personal
> version. With the Home version, you are buying just one license to use
> on one host.
>
You should be supplied with a backup of your systems for a laptop or a
desktop even hidden partitions are not good. I have an HP with a hidden
partition and there was a class action law suit to make them supply the
owners with back cds. I think that is only right and making your own
backup with only one usage is fraudulant arrogance.