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On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:30:10 -0700, Toolman Tim wrote:

> Seatoller wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:41:44 +0200, Dan Evans wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Seatoller" <> wrote in message
>>> news u...
>>>
>>>> IIRC MS say that if he changes the mobo, he would have to /buy/
>>>> another licence?
>>>
>>> Didn't happen here.
>>
>> Here is what Microsoft has to say:
>>
>> ´An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a ´new
>> personal computer¡ to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software
>> cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
>> upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect, then a new
>> computer has been created and the license of new operating system
>> software is required.¡
>>
> The OP didn't make it perfectly clear whether this was an upgrade or a
> repair, although since he indicated he had been looking for an exact
> replacement, that would make it a repair, and as such, I'd call that a
> motherboard defect. It doesn't work, it's defective, at least in my book <g>

Yes. OTOH if he had to take it to a repair shop, I've no doubt they would
charge him for a new licence. It has been reported (in one group) that
that has happened. A guy took it to an MS partner OEM & the shop
installed a new mobo, also wiped his drive. All his data, gone. They
charged him for a new XP licence too, as per MS's instructions. Makes you
wonder how often that's happening. Not having any MS OS, I'm glad I don't
have to put up with that kind of crap.

> Now, IMO, an /upgrade/ would be a non-required motherboard change that would
> either require a new CPU or /allow/ the opportunity to change that in the
> future. In other words, taking out a motherboard that /works/ and putting in
> another motherboard isn't the same as replacing it because it is
> defective/non-working. However, that's only my opinion - and it's worth
> about as much as the dog fuzz on my carpet (he's shedding an UNBELIEVABLE
> amount right now!)
>
> To look at this a bit further, f the motherboard is replaced BECAUSE it is
> defective, and is replaced with a board that could possibly allow CPU, RAM,
> video, etc. upgrades in the future, we've reached a very gray area. At what
> point is a new Windows OEM license required - dead motherboard, but upgrades
> possible...hmmm...
>
> If it were me, I'd say screw MS and reinstall the existing license then. But
> don't tell them I said that

I have no doubt you wouldn't be alone in saying that!

Respondant wrote:

> WTF? Why was it removed? Certainly no decent web space provider would take
> down a site simply because someone "whined" about it? DO tell.

Atspace isn't what you'd call decent, unless you like spammers.. so I'm
told.

The site was removed because I was apparently in violation of the TOS;
by hosting a .zip file. When I setup the site last year, this wasn't in
the TOS, I obviously didn't pay attention when they changed it.

> Hmmmmm. "Less risk" Might be a clue there.

Executables actually, due to the possibility of a false alarm or
misidentification, BugHunter does scan executables ya know. Unless
kman has changed his advice slightly, his notion poses a far higher
risk of data loss. You don't put a drive you intend to recover into an
active windows os, it will create folders unless you've patched the
host OS beforehand, and overwrite some of that data your trying to
restore. It's a small oversite on his part, I'm sure he knows better,
but it's still fun to point out for his holyness. BugHunter in a
worst case scenario will rename or delete at your command the wrong
executable.

wrote:

> Respondant wrote:
>
>> WTF? Why was it removed? Certainly no decent web space provider
>> would take down a site simply because someone "whined" about it? DO
>> tell.
>
> Atspace isn't what you'd call decent, unless you like spammers.. so
> I'm told.
>
> The site was removed because I was apparently in violation of the TOS;
> by hosting a .zip file. When I setup the site last year, this wasn't
> in the TOS, I obviously didn't pay attention when they changed it.

You seem to have that problem a lot. Anyway? What's the big deal? Surely
you have local copies of the site stored somewhere. Why not just sign up
with another host and slap it back up? Not sure if it's still on, but a
little while ago GoDaddy was offering free domain name transfers and a month
of free hosting to go along with it. Check it out.

>> Hmmmmm. "Less risk" Might be a clue there.

> Executables actually, due to the possibility of a false alarm or
> misidentification, BugHunter does scan executables ya know.

Actually no. I don't know. Nor do I care. I wouldn't use anything you
wrote on a bet. And not because of your (alleged) virus writing skillz in
the past, but because you continue to engage in this dick-swinging contest
with somebody who, time and time again, has whipped his out of a jar of
formaldehyde and beat you senseless with it.

Respondant wrote:

> You seem to have that problem a lot. Anyway? What's the big deal? Surely
> you have local copies of the site stored somewhere. Why not just sign up
> with another host and slap it back up? Not sure if it's still on, but a
> little while ago GoDaddy was offering free domain name transfers and a month
> of free hosting to go along with it. Check it out.

I have local copies of the site, yes. I'm working on a new version of
the software..

> Actually no. I don't know. Nor do I care. I wouldn't use anything you
> wrote on a bet. And not because of your (alleged) virus writing skillz in

If you don't know what bughunter does, nor do you care, why post?

alleged? Hehe, if you say so. I don't know why that's so hard for
some of you to fathom, I know several ex virus writers... It's really
no big deal.

> the past, but because you continue to engage in this dick-swinging contest
> with somebody who, time and time again, has whipped his out of a jar of
> formaldehyde and beat you senseless with it.

With his trolling skills, certainly. I'm not nearly as good at wasting
time flaming somebody on usenet. With his technical skills, that's
certainly debatable. To each his own I suppose. I really couldn't care
less if you use the program, what you think of the program or what you
think of me. You simply aren't that important.

wrote:

> Respondant wrote:
>
>> You seem to have that problem a lot. Anyway? What's the big deal?
>> Surely you have local copies of the site stored somewhere. Why not
>> just sign up with another host and slap it back up? Not sure if
>> it's still on, but a little while ago GoDaddy was offering free
>> domain name transfers and a month of free hosting to go along with
>> it. Check it out.
>
> I have local copies of the site, yes. I'm working on a new version of
> the software..
>
>> Actually no. I don't know. Nor do I care. I wouldn't use anything
>> you wrote on a bet. And not because of your (alleged) virus writing
>> skillz in
>
> If you don't know what bughunter does, nor do you care, why post?

Because it kinda wasn't the point. Not that I'd expect you to understand.

> alleged? Hehe, if you say so. I don't know why that's so hard for
> some of you to fathom, I know several ex virus writers... It's really
> no big deal.

Correct.

>> the past, but because you continue to engage in this dick-swinging
>> contest with somebody who, time and time again, has whipped his out
>> of a jar of formaldehyde and beat you senseless with it.
>
> With his trolling skills, certainly. I'm not nearly as good at wasting
> time flaming somebody on usenet.

Then why (attempt) to do it, and continue getting your ass handed to you?

> With his technical skills, that's
> certainly debatable. To each his own I suppose. I really couldn't care
> less if you use the program, what you think of the program or what you
> think of me. You simply aren't that important.

That's odd. I can't seem to find the program anywhere. Perhaps you can
provide me with a link or two?

Seatoller <> skrev i
:

> Yes. OTOH if he had to take it to a repair shop, I've no doubt they
> would charge him for a new licence. It has been reported (in one
> group) that that has happened. A guy took it to an MS partner OEM &
> the shop installed a new mobo, also wiped his drive. All his data,
> gone. They charged him for a new XP licence too, as per MS's
> instructions. Makes you wonder how often that's happening. Not having
> any MS OS, I'm glad I don't have to put up with that kind of crap.

The policy has nothing to do with harassing private users. It is
simply created to prevent dealers from installing the same Windows
copy on several machines.

The above story is completely on the hands of the shop, not MS.
Everytime I've contacted MS, I have been happy with the support
I recieved. And as I think I mentioned, my brother changed his
MB once before and had to reactivate. He called MS, and he had
no trouble getting a reactivation code.

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Respondant wrote:
> Because it kinda wasn't the point. Not that I'd expect you to understand.

Your friends with kman, you think his trolling somehow brings him on a
level way beyond others, and you ignorantly assume he's handing my ass
to me at each turn. Did you miss the post too or something? I already
explained, yesterday and the day before how to fix windows and why it
sometimes ****s up when you change mainboards.

> Correct.

Alleged, however it's not. A simple google search on raid/dustin cook
would have shown you that.

> Then why (attempt) to do it, and continue getting your ass handed to you?

I'm not getting my ass handed to me in this thread. I posted two ways
to fix the system, kman posted the same ****, essentially a day later,
offering nothing whatsoever to actually help the poster. You admire
pundits like this? Come to think of it, I'm the only one who suggested
just mounting the registry system hive and editing it a bit. And it's
actually a well known common fix. Sad..

Since were giving props to kman for handing my ass to me, what about
his suggestion on data recovery not to boot windows from the drive your
trying to save, and in the same paragraph, foolishly suggesting they
stick it in another machine? If anybody does this assinine thing,
windows will stomp some of that precious data the user is trying to
recover when it creates a fresh recycle bin, and a system volume
information folder.

Kman didn't have much of a response in defense of it, do you?


> That's odd. I can't seem to find the program anywhere. Perhaps you can
> provide me with a link or two?

Sure, I realize your trying to be a smartass; but...

http://bughunter.cjb.net/
The site has advertising, so your forewarned.

wrote:

> Respondant wrote:

>> Because it kinda wasn't the point. Not that I'd expect you to
>> understand.
>
> Your friends with kman

Wherever did you get that idea? To my knowledge, I've never even directly
replied to a post s/he's made. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.
Please provide message ID's.

> you think his trolling somehow brings him on a
> level way beyond others, and you ignorantly assume he's handing my ass
> to me at each turn.

I assume nothing. I can, however, read for comprehension.

From here on down you really ****ed up the quoting. Don't know if you did
it on purpose if you're drunk/high/still reeling from being beaten with a
pickled dick/ or what. Let's see if it gets any better;

> Did you miss the post too or something? I already
> explained, yesterday and the day before how to fix windows and why it
> sometimes ****s up when you change mainboards.
>
>> Correct.

Post edit, or pickled-dick stupor?

> Alleged, however it's not. A simple google search on raid/dustin cook
> would have shown you that.
>
>> Then why (attempt) to do it, and continue getting your ass handed to
>> you?

Post edit, or pickled-dick stupor?

That's enough.

<snip>

Respondant wrote:

> That's odd. I can't seem to find the program anywhere. Perhaps you
> can provide me with a link or two?

I have the most recent version before the site went down. (It's obvious
to me who is responsible for that, and I haven't a clue why it isn't
obvious to everyone. There aren't actually that many people in these two
groups who consistently lart other posters just for lack of a life.)

Anyway, I can email it to you if you'd like, or I can upload it to
yousendit.com for you to download at your leisure...that is, if Dustin
doesn't mind.

There's nothing wrong with Bughunter; you can ask the denizens of
alt.comp.virus/alt.comp.anti-virus for an evaluation, if the point of
your post is to actually learn something about the program.

The only other thing I want to interject in here is that I use KMan's
site as a first (and usually only) reference when I need help for
WindowsXP.

It's all well and good for the the lot of you to try to beat the ****
out of each other, but it would be better, in my very humble opinion, if
you could stick to character assassination and leave the technical
critiques out of it. I find them confusing.

rl
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"Rhonda Lea Kirk" <> wrote in news:4ginmnF1mluv7U2
@individual.net:

> Anyway, I can email it to you if you'd like, or I can upload it to
> yousendit.com for you to download at your leisure...that is, if Dustin
> doesn't mind.

I don't mind in the least bit, But I don't think his original question was
actually to find bughunter.

> There's nothing wrong with Bughunter; you can ask the denizens of
> alt.comp.virus/alt.comp.anti-virus for an evaluation, if the point of
> your post is to actually learn something about the program.

Well, true he could, as could everyone else playing, but nobody wants to do
that.

> The only other thing I want to interject in here is that I use KMan's
> site as a first (and usually only) reference when I need help for
> WindowsXP.

Hehe. I hope you don't require too much help then.



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