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Anonymous
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      05-02-2006
How would you make sure that no one got any critical personal data
on you, or from you?

Show them it works then format both hard drives? ( in our case we
have two )


 
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Jim
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      05-02-2006
http://dban.sourceforge.net/

"Anonymous" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> How would you make sure that no one got any critical personal data
> on you, or from you?
>
> Show them it works then format both hard drives? ( in our case we
> have two )
>
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      05-02-2006
"Jim" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> http://dban.sourceforge.net/
>
> "Anonymous" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> How would you make sure that no one got any critical
>> personal data on you, or from you?
>>
>> Show them it works then format both hard drives? ( in our
>> case we have two )


Depending on how old the computer is, the hard drives may be
very small by today's standards (a new hard drive is one of the
easiest ways of upgrading a computer - just make sure the MB can
handle the new size) or near death.

There are a variety of utilities (some free) which will wipe
your drives so even the military won't be able to recover
anything from it, but just formatting them (twice for the hell
of it) will probably do the job for an average person.

If the new owner wants a new drive(s), take out your hard dives,
open them with small screwdrivers, and take a heavy hammer to
them. It can be quite satisfying, especially when you think of
all the moments the ****ing thing almost drove you nuts.



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Plato
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      05-02-2006
Anonymous wrote:
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> How would you make sure that no one got any critical personal data
> on you, or from you?


Zero fill.

> Show them it works then format both hard drives? ( in our case we
> have two )


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EricP
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      05-02-2006
On Tue, 02 May 2006 16:38:43 -0500, Anonymous <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>How would you make sure that no one got any critical personal data
>on you, or from you?
>
>Show them it works then format both hard drives? ( in our case we
>have two )
>

The only way to be secure with sensitive info is to remove the drives
and destroy them, "formatting" does nothing and a child can recover
the files.

Next best is to use a utility that writes junk over the whole drive a
number of times and makes it extremely difficult for Joe Public to get
any files off them, but the authorities can if they throw time at it.
Only you know what you have on the drive.
 
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Jimchip
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      05-02-2006
On 2006-05-02, Jim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> http://dban.sourceforge.net/


I actually believe their claims and have used the program:
http://software.newsforge.com/print....5/09/14/178204
"If you don't have a government lab, an electron microscope, a dedicated
team of computer forensics specialists, and a huge amount of time and money,
you will not recover your data after DBAN has wiped your hard drive."

So for the consumer, just trying to clean up before a sale, I think it is a
good choice. That's what the OP wants.

One doesn't need a gov't lab, however. "a dedicated
team of computer forensics specialists, and a huge amount of time and money"
(I would change 'huge' to moderate but expensive) could still get at the
first data written but maybe not the overwrites of that first data.

If it's really critical data...00 buckshot

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> "Anonymous" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> How would you make sure that no one got any critical personal data
>> on you, or from you?
>>
>> Show them it works then format both hard drives? ( in our case we
>> have two )


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Mara
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      05-03-2006
On Tue, 02 May 2006 23:20:25 -0000, Jimchip
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On 2006-05-02, Jim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> http://dban.sourceforge.net/

>
>I actually believe their claims and have used the program:
>http://software.newsforge.com/print....5/09/14/178204
>"If you don't have a government lab, an electron microscope, a dedicated
>team of computer forensics specialists, and a huge amount of time and money,
>you will not recover your data after DBAN has wiped your hard drive."
>
>So for the consumer, just trying to clean up before a sale, I think it is a
>good choice. That's what the OP wants.


This would work, too, for what the OP wants.

http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/

>One doesn't need a gov't lab, however. "a dedicated
>team of computer forensics specialists, and a huge amount of time and money"
>(I would change 'huge' to moderate but expensive) could still get at the
>first data written but maybe not the overwrites of that first data.
>
>If it's really critical data...00 buckshot


A sledgehammer and a contest works for me.

"Ok, which one of you can break it into the most pieces with one hit?"

<snip>

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philo
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      05-03-2006
Anonymous wrote:
> How would you make sure that no one got any critical personal data
> on you, or from you?
>
> Show them it works then format both hard drives? ( in our case we
> have two )
>
>

Format the drive , then reload the OS.
they will at least have a working computer...
and one the drive is reloaded the chances of them recovering any data is
pretty close to zero...
if the drive is just formatted... data could still be retrieved
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Jimchip
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      05-03-2006
On 2006-05-03, Mara <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Tue, 02 May 2006 23:20:25 -0000, Jimchip
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>On 2006-05-02, Jim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> http://dban.sourceforge.net/

>>
>>I actually believe their claims and have used the program:
>>http://software.newsforge.com/print....5/09/14/178204
>>"If you don't have a government lab, an electron microscope, a dedicated
>>team of computer forensics specialists, and a huge amount of time and money,
>>you will not recover your data after DBAN has wiped your hard drive."
>>
>>So for the consumer, just trying to clean up before a sale, I think it is a
>>good choice. That's what the OP wants.

>
> This would work, too, for what the OP wants.
>
> http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/


For windows...and less chance of not doing it right.

>
>>One doesn't need a gov't lab, however. "a dedicated
>>team of computer forensics specialists, and a huge amount of time and money"
>>(I would change 'huge' to moderate but expensive) could still get at the
>>first data written but maybe not the overwrites of that first data.
>>
>>If it's really critical data...00 buckshot

>
> A sledgehammer and a contest works for me.
>
> "Ok, which one of you can break it into the most pieces with one hit?"
>
><snip>
>

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Mara
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      05-03-2006
On Wed, 03 May 2006 00:25:46 -0000, Jimchip
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>On 2006-05-03, Mara <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 May 2006 23:20:25 -0000, Jimchip
>><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2006-05-02, Jim <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> http://dban.sourceforge.net/
>>>
>>>I actually believe their claims and have used the program:
>>>http://software.newsforge.com/print....5/09/14/178204
>>>"If you don't have a government lab, an electron microscope, a dedicated
>>>team of computer forensics specialists, and a huge amount of time and money,
>>>you will not recover your data after DBAN has wiped your hard drive."
>>>
>>>So for the consumer, just trying to clean up before a sale, I think it is a
>>>good choice. That's what the OP wants.

>>
>> This would work, too, for what the OP wants.
>>
>> http://www.heidi.ie/eraser/

>
>For windows...and less chance of not doing it right.


Mea culpa - I haven't been following the thread. What is the OP's OS?

I would think that overwriting an average hdd (w/Windows, etc..) with the DOJ
algorithm 7 times would do the job for simpler things.

>>
>>>One doesn't need a gov't lab, however. "a dedicated
>>>team of computer forensics specialists, and a huge amount of time and money"
>>>(I would change 'huge' to moderate but expensive) could still get at the
>>>first data written but maybe not the overwrites of that first data.
>>>
>>>If it's really critical data...00 buckshot

>>
>> A sledgehammer and a contest works for me.
>>
>> "Ok, which one of you can break it into the most pieces with one hit?"
>>
>><snip>


Shotguns are for things that shatter in a mentally satisfying manner when shot,
such as dead Linksys routers, some printers, AOL cds, etc.. Hard drives just
kind of lay there with holes in them after a shotgun blast, although they do
jump a bit when hit, depending on how close you are when you pull the trigger,
and what gauge of shotgun you use.

"That's the voice of experience speaking."

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