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Sens Fan Happy In OH
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      03-28-2006
Since this group loves to hear about idiots in the PC-field that think
they know it all, here's one to pass along.

Today the "networking and PC specialist" that the sister company I work
for hires in from time to time to build them new PCs and help with PC
issues came up with a few good ones I just had to share. I happened to
be in the office trying to help solve an issue with a co-worker's very
slow-running PC and to remove unwanted/unneeded startup programs when
he steps in and says, "What the hell is THAT running in the background
for?" He points to a program that I typically install on all PCs here
that use a lot of memory-hogging programs such as CorelDraw, Photoshop,
etc. The program is RamCleaner. But here's the best part.

"You don't need that stupid program. Windows already has one running
inside of it?"

"Okay, smartguy ... where?"

"Here, inside the Task Manager on the Performance tab."

My reply? "Hmmm, then obviously you have no idea what a RAM cleaning
program does, do you? Nor do you have any idea what that "performance"
tab there really has in it, do you?" At this point I could see the
question marks bubbling up from his brain as if to say, "Duh, I'm too
stupid to admit I'm wrong and don't know everything." With that I
laughed and left the room. This is the same person that swears by
Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
on a system." He also has never heard of Avast! Someone who "claims"
to be able to build PCs and build them to work has never heard of
Avast? NOr AVG? Nor Kaspersky?

I think that pretty much says everything What a joke!

Hope you all get a good laugh off this!

 
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      03-28-2006
In article <(E-Mail Removed) .com>,
http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed) says...
> This is the same person that swears by
> Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
> on a system."


We have 1500 servers/workstations running Symantec Corp Edition and not
a single one of them has been compromised, ever, and we've had more than
1000 nodes for more than 5 years.

At the same time, I've seen AVG systems compromised every couple months.

One other thing, I would never install "RamCleaner" on any production
machine.

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Oldus Fartus
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      03-28-2006
Sens Fan Happy In OH wrote:
> Since this group loves to hear about idiots in the PC-field that think
> they know it all, here's one to pass along.
>
> Today the "networking and PC specialist" that the sister company I work
> for hires in from time to time to build them new PCs and help with PC
> issues came up with a few good ones I just had to share. I happened to
> be in the office trying to help solve an issue with a co-worker's very
> slow-running PC and to remove unwanted/unneeded startup programs when
> he steps in and says, "What the hell is THAT running in the background
> for?" He points to a program that I typically install on all PCs here
> that use a lot of memory-hogging programs such as CorelDraw, Photoshop,
> etc. The program is RamCleaner. But here's the best part.
>
> "You don't need that stupid program. Windows already has one running
> inside of it?"
>
> "Okay, smartguy ... where?"
>
> "Here, inside the Task Manager on the Performance tab."
>
> My reply? "Hmmm, then obviously you have no idea what a RAM cleaning
> program does, do you? Nor do you have any idea what that "performance"
> tab there really has in it, do you?" At this point I could see the
> question marks bubbling up from his brain as if to say, "Duh, I'm too
> stupid to admit I'm wrong and don't know everything." With that I
> laughed and left the room. This is the same person that swears by
> Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
> on a system." He also has never heard of Avast! Someone who "claims"
> to be able to build PCs and build them to work has never heard of
> Avast? NOr AVG? Nor Kaspersky?
>
> I think that pretty much says everything What a joke!
>
> Hope you all get a good laugh off this!
>


Yep, certainly did. Find it hard to believe anybody would recommend,
let alone use snake oil programs.

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old man
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      03-28-2006
As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition - not
just in flags and whistles
Perhaps its because Corp needs more user imput to configure, rather than
being all singing home edition, which then becomes somewhat a resource hog.
I ran Various Norton AV and NIS editions without problems for many years,
until NIS2005 - I then gave up and switched to F-Secure, which seems OK so
far.



"Leythos" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> In article <(E-Mail Removed) .com>,
> (E-Mail Removed) says...
> > This is the same person that swears by
> > Symantec as "the best and only antivirus program you should be running
> > on a system."

>
> We have 1500 servers/workstations running Symantec Corp Edition and not
> a single one of them has been compromised, ever, and we've had more than
> 1000 nodes for more than 5 years.
>
> At the same time, I've seen AVG systems compromised every couple months.
>
> One other thing, I would never install "RamCleaner" on any production
> machine.
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Gordon
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      03-28-2006
old man wrote:

> As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition -


I've got the best AV program in the WHOLE UNIVERSE - it's called
Linux.......

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Leythos
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      03-28-2006
In article <NadWf.23383$(E-Mail Removed)>,
(E-Mail Removed)e says...
> As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition - not
> just in flags and whistles
> Perhaps its because Corp needs more user imput to configure, rather than
> being all singing home edition, which then becomes somewhat a resource hog.
> I ran Various Norton AV and NIS editions without problems for many years,
> until NIS2005 - I then gave up and switched to F-Secure, which seems OK so
> far.


Actually, the Corp edition doesn't require as much effort to install as
the home versions, insert CD, click install Antivirus, select
"unmanaged" (if this was a home system), and then it's done the same as
the Norton product.

I agree that the Norton line has become bloated, and 2006 seems to be
more of a pig than any earlier version, but I think they are trying to
protect people from their own ignorance.

The problem with the Corp edition is that you have to purchase 10
licenses to get into it. They sell a Small Business Edition version, but
it expires every year, and you can get 5 licenses, where the Corp
edition doesn't expire every year.


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Leythos
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      03-28-2006
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
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> old man wrote:
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> > As I understand it Corp.Edition is far superior to Home User edition -

>
> I've got the best AV program in the WHOLE UNIVERSE - it's called
> Linux.......


Except that there are a TON of compromised Linux machines online all the
time.

The more home users start using it, the more of the compromised Linux
machines we'll see.

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Gordon
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      03-28-2006
Leythos wrote:


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> Except that there are a TON of compromised Linux machines online all the
> time.


I'm sorry? Where did you get THAT useless piece of misinformation from? The
only Linux viruses that are in the wild (all three of them I think) are NOT
critical!

Seeing as your ISP, your Bank, and a very large number of top institutions
and sites (including Google) use Linux servers, (and a Linux server OS is
just what I have on my desktop without all the gui bells and whistles and
applications) don't you think you're talking out of your backside?

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      03-28-2006
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
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> Leythos wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Except that there are a TON of compromised Linux machines online all the
> > time.

>
> I'm sorry? Where did you get THAT useless piece of misinformation from? The
> only Linux viruses that are in the wild (all three of them I think) are NOT
> critical!
>
> Seeing as your ISP, your Bank, and a very large number of top institutions
> and sites (including Google) use Linux servers, (and a Linux server OS is
> just what I have on my desktop without all the gui bells and whistles and
> applications) don't you think you're talking out of your backside?


Did you see where I wrote "Compromised" and not Virus?

Compromised doesn't mean virus, it means that an exploit has been found
in one of the modules/applications, and that it's being misused by
unauthorized connections. You can't possibly tell me that you've missed
the exploits over the last few months.

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Gordon
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      03-28-2006
Leythos wrote:


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> Did you see where I wrote "Compromised" and not Virus?
>
> Compromised doesn't mean virus, it means that an exploit has been found
> in one of the modules/applications, and that it's being misused by
> unauthorized connections.


And that is false as well! Yes there ARE exploits that COULD be run on Linux
machines, but as a) most users don't run as root (unlike Windows XP where
most users DO run as root - aka admin) and b) that the exploits can only be
"exploited" by actually having physical access to the machine, your
contention is a non starter.

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