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Ellis_Jay

ellis_jay wrote:
> http://www.alternet.org/rights/33334/

Get them damn terrorists, I say. I was watching the news on the morning
of September 11, 2001 when the whole thing happened. I watched in horror
as events unfolded. ****, the plane that hit the Pentagon crashed across
the river from daughter's office. The one intended for the White House
would have hit within 5 blocks of my daughter *if* they hadn't been
stopped by some real honest-to-god heroes. There's always trade offs
between liberty and safety. If some little transister based macaroon at
the NSA reading my spam makes the world just a little bit safer, I'm not
going to bitch about it.

It isn't that I'm not sympathetic with human rights and freedoms, there
simply comes a point when you're watching innocent people die by the
thousands that it's time to say "Okay, let a computer read my email."

"Rôgêr" wrote
> ellis_jay wrote:
> > http://www.alternet.org/rights/33334/
>
> Get them damn terrorists, I say. I was watching the news on the morning
> of September 11, 2001 when the whole thing happened. I watched in
> horror as events unfolded. ****, the plane that hit the Pentagon crashed
> across the river from daughter's office. The one intended for the
> White House would have hit within 5 blocks of my daughter *if*
> they hadn't been
> stopped by some real honest-to-god heroes. There's always trade offs
> between liberty and safety. If some little transister based macaroon at
> the NSA reading my spam makes the world just a little bit safer, I'm not
> going to bitch about it.
>
> It isn't that I'm not sympathetic with human rights and freedoms, there
> simply comes a point when you're watching innocent people die by the
> thousands that it's time to say "Okay, let a computer read my email."

Well, I am not so eager to give up my freedoms and privacy.
It's akin to saying, "I'm scared, Daddy...make it stop,
Daddy...I'll give up playing video games or staying
overnight at MaryLou's house...just make it stop. Daddy."

Benjamin Franklin wasn't just blowing smoke when he said:
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary
security, deserve neither liberty or security."
That from a man who didn't give in to fear: by signing
the Declaration of Independence, he knew there was
a 50/50 chance he would be hanged for doing so.

People died by the thousands because there were SIMPLE yet
SERIOUS *lapses* in security. Those planes should never have
been hijacked at all, but, hell, even if they were: if standard
protocol had been followed -- WHICH WAS NOT -- they would
have been shot down before reaching population centers.

The incompetents who allowed all this want you to be
afraid -- as long as you are afraid you won't notice their
stupidity and you won't care while they steal you blind
under the guise of some "War on _____" (fill in the blank
with whatever bothers you the most) -- "terror" is THE one
the incompetents like because it uh....it uh...well...it
sounds so damn S C A R E Y !

Either grow a pair of balls or go hide in a dark closet --
I don't ****ing care -- just as long as you don't start
casually flushing MY freedoms down the drain.

"Rôgêr" <> wrote in message
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> It isn't that I'm not sympathetic with human rights and freedoms, there
> simply comes a point when you're watching innocent people die by the
> thousands that it's time to say "Okay, let a computer read my email."

Sheep.

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gangle wrote:
> "Rôgêr" wrote
>> ellis_jay wrote:
>>> http://www.alternet.org/rights/33334/
>> Get them damn terrorists, I say. I was watching the news on the morning
>> of September 11, 2001 when the whole thing happened. I watched in
>> horror as events unfolded. ****, the plane that hit the Pentagon crashed
>> across the river from daughter's office. The one intended for the
>> White House would have hit within 5 blocks of my daughter *if*
>> they hadn't been
>> stopped by some real honest-to-god heroes. There's always trade offs
>> between liberty and safety. If some little transister based macaroon at
>> the NSA reading my spam makes the world just a little bit safer, I'm not
>> going to bitch about it.
>>
>> It isn't that I'm not sympathetic with human rights and freedoms, there
>> simply comes a point when you're watching innocent people die by the
>> thousands that it's time to say "Okay, let a computer read my email."
>
> Well, I am not so eager to give up my freedoms and privacy.
> It's akin to saying, "I'm scared, Daddy...make it stop,
> Daddy...I'll give up playing video games or staying
> overnight at MaryLou's house...just make it stop. Daddy."
>
> Benjamin Franklin wasn't just blowing smoke when he said:
> "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary
> security, deserve neither liberty or security."
> That from a man who didn't give in to fear: by signing
> the Declaration of Independence, he knew there was
> a 50/50 chance he would be hanged for doing so.
>
> People died by the thousands because there were SIMPLE yet
> SERIOUS *lapses* in security. Those planes should never have
> been hijacked at all, but, hell, even if they were: if standard
> protocol had been followed -- WHICH WAS NOT -- they would
> have been shot down before reaching population centers.
>
> The incompetents who allowed all this want you to be
> afraid -- as long as you are afraid you won't notice their
> stupidity and you won't care while they steal you blind
> under the guise of some "War on _____" (fill in the blank
> with whatever bothers you the most) -- "terror" is THE one
> the incompetents like because it uh....it uh...well...it
> sounds so damn S C A R E Y !
>
> Either grow a pair of balls or go hide in a dark closet --
> I don't ****ing care -- just as long as you don't start
> casually flushing MY freedoms down the drain.
>
>
>

Well said gangle, my sentiments exactly.

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In message <441657c2$0$24087$>,
Rôgêr took 16 lines to impart the following:

>ellis_jay wrote:
>> http://www.alternet.org/rights/33334/
>
>Get them damn terrorists, I say.

<snip>

>It isn't that I'm not sympathetic with human rights and freedoms, there
>simply comes a point when you're watching innocent people die by the
>thousands that it's time to say "Okay, let a computer read my email."

So, where will you fit into the new police state, Roger?
Snitch? Common criminal? Illegal alien? Drug trafficker?
Money launderer? How about terrorist?

You turn will come.

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 01:37:58 -0800, "gangle" <> wrote:

<snip>
>Well, I am not so eager to give up my freedoms and privacy.
>It's akin to saying, "I'm scared, Daddy...make it stop,
>Daddy...I'll give up playing video games or staying
>overnight at MaryLou's house...just make it stop. Daddy."
>
>Benjamin Franklin wasn't just blowing smoke when he said:
> "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary
> security, deserve neither liberty or security."
>That from a man who didn't give in to fear: by signing
>the Declaration of Independence, he knew there was
>a 50/50 chance he would be hanged for doing so.
>
>People died by the thousands because there were SIMPLE yet
>SERIOUS *lapses* in security. Those planes should never have
>been hijacked at all, but, hell, even if they were: if standard
>protocol had been followed -- WHICH WAS NOT -- they would
>have been shot down before reaching population centers.
>
>The incompetents who allowed all this want you to be
>afraid -- as long as you are afraid you won't notice their
>stupidity and you won't care while they steal you blind
>under the guise of some "War on _____" (fill in the blank
>with whatever bothers you the most) -- "terror" is THE one
>the incompetents like because it uh....it uh...well...it
>sounds so damn S C A R E Y !
>
>Either grow a pair of balls or go hide in a dark closet --
>I don't ****ing care -- just as long as you don't start
>casually flushing MY freedoms down the drain.

Excellent post. The USA used to be the place people would come because they knew
that here, they would finally get to live their dreams of freedom. Those who
fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it - and it's becoming more like
1939 Germany. I fear our loss of freedoms more than I fear another terrorist
strike, because I hear words designed to foster that fear in order to further
that loss, yet no real evidence to justify those fears. The polls dip - another
terrorist scare. We have become a nation of sheep, and I fear *all*our freedoms
will be led to slaughter.


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In article <>,
says...
> Those who
> fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it - and it's becoming more like
> 1939 Germany. I fear our loss of freedoms more than I fear another terrorist
> strike, because I hear words designed to foster that fear in order to further
> that loss, yet no real evidence to justify those fears.

So, you've missed all of the attacks on US People over the last 10
years?

So, you've missed missed all the failed attacks on US People over the
last 10 years?

So, you've failed to hear the Terrorists say they won't stop until every
non-muslim is dead?

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In message <7gyRf.25910$>,
Leythos took 21 lines to impart the following:

>In article <>,
> says...
>> Those who
>> fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it - and it's becoming more like
>> 1939 Germany. I fear our loss of freedoms more than I fear another terrorist
>> strike, because I hear words designed to foster that fear in order to further
>> that loss, yet no real evidence to justify those fears.
>
>So, you've missed all of the attacks on US People over the last 10
>years?
>
>So, you've missed missed all the failed attacks on US People over the
>last 10 years?
>
>So, you've failed to hear the Terrorists say they won't stop until every
>non-muslim is dead?

Put your head back in the sand, quick, whilst your government
shits all over the rights and freedoms earned, often in blood, by
your ancestors.

In article <. net>,
says...
> In message <7gyRf.25910$>,
> Leythos took 21 lines to impart the following:
>
> >In article <>,
> > says...
> >> Those who
> >> fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it - and it's becoming more like
> >> 1939 Germany. I fear our loss of freedoms more than I fear another terrorist
> >> strike, because I hear words designed to foster that fear in order to further
> >> that loss, yet no real evidence to justify those fears.
> >
> >So, you've missed all of the attacks on US People over the last 10
> >years?
> >
> >So, you've missed missed all the failed attacks on US People over the
> >last 10 years?
> >
> >So, you've failed to hear the Terrorists say they won't stop until every
> >non-muslim is dead?
>
> Put your head back in the sand, quick, whilst your government
> shits all over the rights and freedoms earned, often in blood, by
> your ancestors.

I don't have my head in the sand, and as a prior service member I feel a
little safer knowing that the Patriot Act didn't get canceled. Since it
doesn't impact ANY of our freedoms what do you have to complain about.

If you're not communicating with known terrorists, if you're not a
terrorist, then you don't have anything to worry about.

So, if I understand you correctly, you would rather watch your neighbor
being blown to bits than to allow the government to keep them from being
killed?

What about your family, is it ok for the enemy to kill them while you
watch, rather than have them protected by the governement?

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