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EW105
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      01-28-2006
I'm looking for negative feedback. I've been a pc user for the beginning
and I want to know more about Macs. I've spoken and discussed this with
Mac users and get plenty of positive feedback but now I'd like the other
point of view, if any pc users have looked into getting an Apple
computer and didn't like it?
With much less problems as far as viruses and other security threats,
cool design, affordability, quality machines, why wouldn't it make sense
to switch to a Mac, except that there's fewer programs available than
for a pc?
thanks
 
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      01-28-2006

"EW105" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for negative feedback. I've been a pc user for the beginning
> and I want to know more about Macs. I've spoken and discussed this with
> Mac users and get plenty of positive feedback but now I'd like the other
> point of view, if any pc users have looked into getting an Apple
> computer and didn't like it?
> With much less problems as far as viruses and other security threats,
> cool design, affordability, quality machines, why wouldn't it make sense
> to switch to a Mac, except that there's fewer programs available than
> for a pc?
> thanks



With a PC you get considerably better performance for the amount of money
spent...
but of course Windows-based machines are less secure than a MAC.

What I do is use both Linux and Windows on my PC's.
I use Linux mainly for internet etc so don't have to worry too much about
the security issues


 
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      01-28-2006
EW105 wrote:
> I'm looking for negative feedback. I've been a pc user for the
> beginning and I want to know more about Macs. I've spoken and
> discussed this with Mac users and get plenty of positive feedback but
> now I'd like the other point of view, if any pc users have looked
> into getting an Apple computer and didn't like it?
> With much less problems as far as viruses and other security threats,
> cool design, affordability, quality machines, why wouldn't it make
> sense to switch to a Mac, except that there's fewer programs
> available than for a pc?
> thanks


I've considered it but everytime I've tried using a Mac it's just felt so
alien and uncomfortable. The OS has never seemed that fast either and I've
played with the faster Macs. I guess windoze has taken too insidious a hold
on my mind. If I were to generalise, I would say a Mac is fine for very
general use i.e basic Office apps plus internet, or the more specialised pro
video/music/dtp apps where it tends to have the upperhand.

As a computer enthusiast I think the PC is the way to go. Also if you know
what you're doing and take sensible precautions you're not likely to run
into viruses and other nasties that often. The inherent security problems
in Windows is another matter of course but many do seem to be of the "the
user must visit a specially crafted webpage..." thus reducing the real-world
effect of these vulnerabilities.

The other thing you lose by such a switch is full compatibility with PCs -
workwise that's not something I could ever accept. The clients I work with
use Windows and do my colleagues.

And of course you don't have to be running Windows on a PC, so the
comparisons get more complicated. Overall though the PC is more hackable,
has more applications and represents better bang for your buck IMO. Plus
you have to take the new Intel-based Macs into account so that's going to
change things in the coming months.


 
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      01-28-2006
What trick, what device, what starting-hole on Sat, 28 Jan 2006
09:19:17 -0500, canst thou now find out, to hide EW105 <(E-Mail Removed)>
from this open and apparent shame?:

>I'm looking for negative feedback. I've been a pc user for the

beginning
>and I want to know more about Macs. I've spoken and discussed this

with
>Mac users and get plenty of positive feedback but now I'd like the

other
>point of view, if any pc users have looked into getting an Apple
>computer and didn't like it?
>With much less problems as far as viruses and other security threats,
>cool design, affordability, quality machines, why wouldn't it make

sense
>to switch to a Mac, except that there's fewer programs available than
>for a pc?
>thanks


I have a friend who just couldn't seem to make his PC work.
He wasn't of a mind to operate the dang thing. Too make drivers to
load and whatnot.
He also couldn't figure out his ISP.

I suggested he get a Mac & AOL and he's not VERY happy with his
online/computer experiences! (But he now sends me tons of forwarded
crap in email with a zillion other peoples emails showing and virus
warnings &c. I've had to plonk his ass!
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www.seph.ca
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      01-28-2006
yeah?

try googling "mac security issues"

I always find that old standby trite and untrue.

People who harp on about security issues are
a: generally woefully under-informed, under-protected
b: neurotic in every facet of their daily life

A mac is a mac is a mac
A pc by any other name would smell just as sweet

Pc's
You can get anything you need for a pc
You have any goal, you can go out and easily find software that can do the
task by download, purchase, or shareware.
Everyone one you know has one.

Mac's
Try to remember that we have been hearing the same mac bullshit for over
10-12 years now...
Comparing pros and cons of the two mediums mostly based on arguments made
during the infancy of speedy 386's and win 3.1 are hardly persuasive over
time.

Most home mac users are so ignorant of a mac's workings that they slop
filled drives and their fave word processor/snood type games.

PC users have the advantage of having lived through Win98, and therefor can
now consider themselves honorary accredited microsoft technicians, their
valued expertise filling many a newsgroup with blather and chatter, and
every store tech, customer service agent, help desk from the Phillipines to
Timbuktu will never say "I don't know" because these days everyone thinks
they know everything.

They don't.

my 2 cents

~S~




> but of course Windows-based machines are less secure than a MAC.
>
> What I do is use both Linux and Windows on my PC's.
> I use Linux mainly for internet etc so don't have to worry too much about
> the security issues



 
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      01-28-2006
"EW105" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I'm looking for negative feedback. I've been a pc user for the beginning
> and I want to know more about Macs. I've spoken and discussed this with
> Mac users and get plenty of positive feedback but now I'd like the other
> point of view, if any pc users have looked into getting an Apple
> computer and didn't like it?
> With much less problems as far as viruses and other security threats,
> cool design, affordability, quality machines, why wouldn't it make sense
> to switch to a Mac, except that there's fewer programs available than
> for a pc?
> thanks



Stop looking at the solution backwards. Based on your critical and
important tasks, decide what applications best fit the requirements for
those tasks. Then find which platforms on which those critical and
important applications will run. Use the platform best suited for the task
and application. Don't go picking an OS and then try to figure out if it
was the right choice. Do you buy some fancy new player to only then check
if there is actually any media usable by that player (unless you enjoy the
bleeding edge with the incumbent risks and tribulations)? However, if your
requirements dictate a Unix platform rather than a Windows platform, there
is no need to waste time going with Mac OS/X since there are plenty of other
cheaper Unix OS'es to go with.

Reasons why I've never bothered going to or stay with a Mac:
- Dearth of software titles, especially specialty, vertical, or business
software. For example, WinRunner is the top automated test tool but doesn't
support Mac. I'm involved in a personal project to write a point-of-sale
and accounting software and I won't waste my time writing it for the tiny
market share of the Mac. Where's the money to be made for end-user and
business software? If I need to port the product, it will be to Linux and
not specifically the Mac.
- Pricier hardware. Some is nearly equivalently priced but too much is
higher priced.
- Dearth of vendors supporting the platform.
- No reason to pay for their Unix OS (OS/X) when so many are free, cheaper,
or have a larger and more active community from which to cull support.
- I don't buy prebuilt computers. I build my own. Easier and cheaper to
find parts for a platform that supports Windows or Linux. I live in a large
dual-city metropolis and can no longer even find a retail outlet carrying
Mac parts or software if I have an immediate same- or next-day need. They
went out of business.
- I develop for the largest market share of consumers and business, and they
predominantly use Windows or some flavor of Unix and I can use the same
hardware platform for both and either one at a time or even concurrently.
- Our company produces application software supporting several hardware
platforms: Windows (95 to XP and server versions), IBM (AIX, AS-400, MVS),
HP-UX, Sun Solaris, SCO, Linux, etc. No direct Mac support. Why? Little
or no revenue there for business-grade software (which is a lot higher
priced than consumer-grade software that most users discuss).

If I had some tasks that were best suited for executing on a Mac - which
means that I would need *several* of them unless one was highly critical and
had no equivalent Windows or Linux counterpart (which is highly unlikely) -
then I'd use that platform. That hasn't occurred, so far, in well over a
decade, and is even less a requirement after they switched to a Unix kernel
since there are other [free] Unix choices. As far as the claimed lesser
security of Windows, that depends entirely on the expertise (or lack
thereof) of the user(s) which also applies towards any OS. How many users
actually [self-]train on each OS that they use? How many ever read a book
on their OS beyond the "<topic> for Dummies" level, if even that? How many
users actually ever bother to read the documentation for software that they
install? Just watch the newsgroups for posters that ask questions regarding
topics already coverd in the included help, found by roaming through the
configurable options, or by searching the online knowledgebases, forums, or
newsgroups. The biggest flaw in security is the user, and most are lazy and
ignorant - and by deliberate choice. Why do you think so many home/personal
users buy pre-built boxes with a pre-installed OS? Those are not the users
with which you want to discuss the merits of one OS over another because
they have very little expertise or experience in anything but what they
bought pre-made. Also remember that in the corporate environment that users
rarely get a choice for their platform. They get whatever their IT dept. or
sysadmins want to support across the enterprise network and they pick
whatever best suits the needs of the company and not the user, but those
choices are also biased by their expertise in each platform (i.e., they
support what they know).

I usually don't bother to go back to a platform that I've abandoned. When
Apple switched to OS/X, I started to reconsider that platform, but the
various *free* distros for Linux which run on cheaper hardware disqualified
Mac as a choice. If I'm going to using something non-Microsoft, it isn't
going to be Apple. At this point, I'm not sure that I'll bother spending
more money to go with Windows Vista (although I'll probably get it at work
or have to support and test with it at work). For personal-use on my home
computer, I might end up instead going with Ubuntu (or Kubuntu if I prefer
the KDE desktop over Gnome) or maybe Fedora. Mac OS/X isn't in the list of
candidates.

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      01-28-2006
EW105 wrote:
> I'm looking for negative feedback. I've been a pc user for the beginning
> and I want to know more about Macs. I've spoken and discussed this with
> Mac users and get plenty of positive feedback but now I'd like the other
> point of view, if any pc users have looked into getting an Apple
> computer and didn't like it?
> With much less problems as far as viruses and other security threats,
> cool design, affordability, quality machines, why wouldn't it make sense
> to switch to a Mac, except that there's fewer programs available than
> for a pc?
> thanks


One issue is if you are a gamer there are not many that will play on the
Mac. Along with all the other programs that are windows only. Also in
general there are more free and low cost programs for the pc.

Second issue they are in the middle of switching them selves from
PowerPC to Intel chips. With out going to in depth one might not want
to buy and Mac with a PowerPc chip as they are being fazed out but on
the other hand you might not want to buy the new faster Intel based Mac
as until the program are written in native Intel code they will be run
in emulation mode and will be slower. As a side note all Apple software
shipped on the Intel macs will be native. Just things like Photoshop
have not caught up.

Third issue I love to tinker with my computer so a full tower that I can
open and add stuff to is important to me. It is real tuff to do that
with a mini or Imac. You have to get the top of the line mac to do that.

Cost issue I have not done a side by side test my self but if you take
as close as you can configurations for both the Apple will me more. You
might counter with the fact the Apple comes with all the I stuff that
you might not get with your windows computer plus with windows you will
need to buy virus and spyware protection. So the net cost for both
might not be that far off. Still you are never going to be able to go
to BestBuy and get an Apple computer monitor and printer for 299.95
after rebate like you can a windows computer.

 
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      01-28-2006
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:19:17 -0500, EW105 wrote:

> I'm looking for negative feedback.


I don't need one; I already have a PS2.


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      01-28-2006
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:29:52 -0500, Frosty wrote:

> I have a friend who just couldn't seem to make his PC work. He wasn't of a
> mind to operate the dang thing. Too make drivers to load and whatnot.
> He also couldn't figure out his ISP.


Was he with NTL or AOL?

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      01-28-2006
EW105 wrote:
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> I'm looking for negative feedback. I've been a pc user for the beginning
> and I want to know more about Macs. I've spoken and discussed this with
> Mac users and get plenty of positive feedback but now I'd like the other
> point of view, if any pc users have looked into getting an Apple
> computer and didn't like it?
> With much less problems as far as viruses and other security threats,
> cool design, affordability, quality machines, why wouldn't it make sense
> to switch to a Mac, except that there's fewer programs available than
> for a pc?


Use a mac if you need or want a mac. They are good computers.


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