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i tell him to join the frickin military, lol

"Politician Spock" <> wrote in message
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> "billyw" <> wrote in message
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> > no.. i'm giving you a recent experience.. rather than your half baked
made
> > up views
> >
>
> If you had a kid who just graduated High School and wanted to pursue an IT
> career in a market where no one with no experience, no education, or no
> certification is even considered for even the lowest entry level position,
> and no one is even willing to allow your kid to do volunteer work, what
> would you do? Do you advise him to get his MCSE and then go find a job
> (based on your recent experience), or do you advise him to get a college
> degree and then find a job? And why?
>
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your initial reply was with regard to a comparison about people that had
specific qualifications.. not about anyones kids..
no point trying to turn this into something it isn't

"Politician Spock" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "billyw" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > no.. i'm giving you a recent experience.. rather than your half baked
made
> > up views
> >
>
> If you had a kid who just graduated High School and wanted to pursue an IT
> career in a market where no one with no experience, no education, or no
> certification is even considered for even the lowest entry level position,
> and no one is even willing to allow your kid to do volunteer work, what
> would you do? Do you advise him to get his MCSE and then go find a job
> (based on your recent experience), or do you advise him to get a college
> degree and then find a job? And why?
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
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> © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
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try this http://tinyurl.com/j7t6

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"Jim" <> wrote in message
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> I maily have been working retail in my 6 year career and I
> am looking to get out. Since I was 17 I have been looking
> at taking the MCSE. What I want to know would this be a
> good thing to go for when I have no other training in the
> IT field and my knowlege of computers is basic. Will the
> MCSE be all I really need or should I also consider other
> certifications?

"billyw" <> wrote in message
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> which qualification i want my kids to have..
> a degree, simple.. no contest.
> but that doesn't negate the fact that in the instance you suggested i'd
> rather take a motivated simpleton than a ex student who is so far up his
own
> arse he'll never see the sun
>

I never suggested that. I didn't come into the conversation until *YOU* made
the claim "but i still maintain that someone just out of college is pretty
useless". Why would you want your kid to get a college degree if you
maintain that someone just out of college is pretty useless?

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I just passed MCP Exam and saved money on it.

Got the voucher from www.getcertified4less.com

Here is promotion Code ::*1133 *:: I Used to get extra saving.

I don't know the expiration of promotin code.

I thought if some one of you want to save money but using this
promotion code.

Good Luck for test.

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Which by the way is how most (read as a lot of) people
break the catch 22 cycle in many industries not just IT.

>-----Original Message-----
>i tell him to join the frickin military, lol
>
>"Politician Spock" <> wrote in
message
>news:...
>> "billyw" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>> > no.. i'm giving you a recent experience.. rather than
your half baked
>made
>> > up views
>> >
>>
>> If you had a kid who just graduated High School and
wanted to pursue an IT
>> career in a market where no one with no experience, no
education, or no
>> certification is even considered for even the lowest
entry level position,
>> and no one is even willing to allow your kid to do
volunteer work, what
>> would you do? Do you advise him to get his MCSE and
then go find a job
>> (based on your recent experience), or do you advise him
to get a college
>> degree and then find a job? And why?
>>
>> --
>> Politician Spock
>> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
>> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties,
and confers no
>rights.
>> You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for
your inability to
>> understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the
imaginary gnomes
>> living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
>> © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
>>
>
>
>.
>

because there are other people in the world apart from me. and the put a
deal of store in degrees etc. so i'd prefer my kids had the best start
possible....
It's basically my one reason for working

"Politician Spock" <> wrote in message
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> "billyw" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
> > which qualification i want my kids to have..
> > a degree, simple.. no contest.
> > but that doesn't negate the fact that in the instance you suggested i'd
> > rather take a motivated simpleton than a ex student who is so far up his
> own
> > arse he'll never see the sun
> >
>
> I never suggested that. I didn't come into the conversation until *YOU*
made
> the claim "but i still maintain that someone just out of college is pretty
> useless". Why would you want your kid to get a college degree if you
> maintain that someone just out of college is pretty useless?
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
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> You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability to
> understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
> living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
> © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
>

"billyw" <> wrote in message
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> because there are other people in the world apart from me. and the put a
> deal of store in degrees etc. so i'd prefer my kids had the best start
> possible....
> It's basically my one reason for working
>

If these "other people in the world... put a deal of store in degrees",
either they are wrong, or you are wrong maintaining that people just out of
college are pretty useless.

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"billyw" <> wrote in message
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> ok... lets do this slowly..
> in MY recent experience........
>
> what is so hard about this for you to grasp??
>

Nothing. I grasped it long ago. As I said before "Glad to see you are basing
your views of society's workforce on what you experienced from two people.
You never let me down." The issue continued because you said my views are
made up and half baked. If you want your kids to get a college education,
you are basing it on a made up half baked view, because my view is exactly
the same as what motivates you to want your kids to get a college education.

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i'd agree that many HR depts are run on half baked ideas so therefore i
agree with your las comments

but put simply a college education does not instantly make someone suitable
for all jobs, all it shows is an ability for retention. not for adaptation
or inovation.
would you say that someone who has been a car mechanic all his life and
fully understands the workings of thge internal combustion engine is less
educated than a brain surgeon...
they may be leaders in their chosen field therefore they are aware of what
they are aware of.. college educations should never be taken as a
significant sign of intelligence.. look at george bush, he has an mba.. that
is just a sign of wealth


"Politician Spock" <> wrote in message
news:...
> "billyw" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > ok... lets do this slowly..
> > in MY recent experience........
> >
> > what is so hard about this for you to grasp??
> >
>
> Nothing. I grasped it long ago. As I said before "Glad to see you are
basing
> your views of society's workforce on what you experienced from two people.
> You never let me down." The issue continued because you said my views are
> made up and half baked. If you want your kids to get a college education,
> you are basing it on a made up half baked view, because my view is exactly
> the same as what motivates you to want your kids to get a college
education.
>
> --
> Politician Spock
> MCSA, CCEA, MCNGP #15
> The MCNGP Team - We're here to help
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
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> You assume all risk for your use. Not responsible for your inability to
> understand logic, ambiguous references, sarcasm, the imaginary gnomes
> living in my garden, or William Shatner's acting.
> © 2003 Star Trek Federation. All rights reserved.
>