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Dear all
I have a question about the cert architect, it seems to have an 10 yrs
experience to fullfill it , if doesn't have 10 yrs, does it meaningless to
take the exam?

The turth is that you need to read the book to find out what you don't learn
through exp
I think couple yrs exp in s/w desgin is good enough.
I learn almost the same stuff @ school, and my school does not list 10yrs
exp as pre.
Egghead

"Joe" <> wrote in message
news:97668F1F-4149-453F-B5B6-...
> Dear all
> I have a question about the cert architect, it seems to have an 10 yrs
> experience to fullfill it , if doesn't have 10 yrs, does it meaningless to
> take the exam?

July 18, 2005

I believe it is a "requirement". Therefore, I believe they want to make
especially sure that there is a Distinct level between people with just
certifications and ones With both experience and certifications. Seems
like a good idea to me!

--
Joseph Bittman
Microsoft Certified Application Developer

Web Site: http://71.39.42.23
Static IP




"Joe" <> wrote in message
news:97668F1F-4149-453F-B5B6-...
> Dear all
> I have a question about the cert architect, it seems to have an 10 yrs
> experience to fullfill it , if doesn't have 10 yrs, does it meaningless to
> take the exam?

I would go for it!
The material is the same regardless if you read about it or learn it on the
job. There are advantages both ways.

The only thing, however, is if you have no experience you most likely will
not get paid or have a better possition then say MCAD at first however you
likelyhood of getting the job is increased.

In other words, I am MCAD now and studying for MCSD but I have no hands on
experience I dont expect a company to hire me as a decision maker my first
year out. I will still be on the debug team making as much money as any MCAD
would make but my chances of getting that job will be better. PLUS I will
already have a base I can work on for the future.

"Joe" wrote:

> Dear all
> I have a question about the cert architect, it seems to have an 10 yrs
> experience to fullfill it , if doesn't have 10 yrs, does it meaningless to
> take the exam?

This is true.
Basically one either reads new material at work or at home. Either way its
the same information. Although nothing beats a one on one mentorship work can
provide but if that is not a resource one has there is no reason to sit
around and wait for it either.

One thing people forget about the "experience" track is that it really
depends on your job. If you are stuck doing one thing week after week it
doesnt help. Then again, if you are working with a mentor its better.



"EggHead" wrote:

> The turth is that you need to read the book to find out what you don't learn
> through exp
> I think couple yrs exp in s/w desgin is good enough.
> I learn almost the same stuff @ school, and my school does not list 10yrs
> exp as pre.
> Egghead
>
> "Joe" <> wrote in message
> news:97668F1F-4149-453F-B5B6-...
> > Dear all
> > I have a question about the cert architect, it seems to have an 10 yrs
> > experience to fullfill it , if doesn't have 10 yrs, does it meaningless to
> > take the exam?
>
>
>

Yeah I think its an excellent idea (I originally misunderstood what this
level was). After all, Engineers has something very similar. I believe
accounts, doctors and lawyers (to say Board certified) also have something
similar but not for sure.

I think in some industries with board certifications require teaching at a
college level as part of the process as well. This keeps the colleges on top
of things because it’s almost impossible to hire a good teacher in a specific
industry because if they are any good they would not be teaching! This is
particularly bad in IT.


"Joseph Bittman MCAD" wrote:

> July 18, 2005
>
> I believe it is a "requirement". Therefore, I believe they want to make
> especially sure that there is a Distinct level between people with just
> certifications and ones With both experience and certifications. Seems
> like a good idea to me!
>
> --
> Joseph Bittman
> Microsoft Certified Application Developer
>
> Web Site: http://71.39.42.23
> Static IP
>
>
>
>
> "Joe" <> wrote in message
> news:97668F1F-4149-453F-B5B6-...
> > Dear all
> > I have a question about the cert architect, it seems to have an 10 yrs
> > experience to fullfill it , if doesn't have 10 yrs, does it meaningless to
> > take the exam?
>
>
>

We all know it is a good idea. After all, it is a hand-on cert from M$
But 10 yrs, I think 5yrs is reasonable. In gerenal, there is very little
different in exp between 5yrs and 10yrs.
It is different in those fields you mention. Those boards are government
authorized.
Unless M$ allows people put Linux in to the system, I think it will be
another SCEA type program.
Egghead
"Sean" <> wrote in message
news:CC2457D1-BAE0-4E3B-87DB-...
> Yeah I think its an excellent idea (I originally misunderstood what this
> level was). After all, Engineers has something very similar. I believe
> accounts, doctors and lawyers (to say Board certified) also have something
> similar but not for sure.
>
> I think in some industries with board certifications require teaching at a
> college level as part of the process as well. This keeps the colleges on
top
> of things because it¡¦s almost impossible to hire a good teacher in a
specific
> industry because if they are any good they would not be teaching! This is
> particularly bad in IT.
>
>
> "Joseph Bittman MCAD" wrote:
>
> > July 18, 2005
> >
> > I believe it is a "requirement". Therefore, I believe they want to
make
> > especially sure that there is a Distinct level between people with just
> > certifications and ones With both experience and certifications.
Seems
> > like a good idea to me!
> >
> > --
> > Joseph Bittman
> > Microsoft Certified Application Developer
> >
> > Web Site: http://71.39.42.23
> > Static IP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Joe" <> wrote in message
> > news:97668F1F-4149-453F-B5B6-...
> > > Dear all
> > > I have a question about the cert architect, it seems to have an 10 yrs
> > > experience to fullfill it , if doesn't have 10 yrs, does it
meaningless to
> > > take the exam?
> >
> >
> >

I would have to agree with you. In engineering for example the entire
fundamentals don’t change like it does in development which is why I think
someone with 5 years experience and .Net certified is clearly better for
development on .Net then someone with 15 years experience and no proven
knowledge of .Net. Perhaps 5 years is more reasonable.

I would like to see more certification oriented teaching at my college. By
that I don’t mean letter for letter but maybe at least look at the objectives
charts for various exams. One of the troubles is the books we have. The class
I have coming up covers data access by not addressing ADO much at all. More
how to make arrays and text files of all things! I thought about lobbying for
the changes but really don’t have the time or the political patience.


"Egghead" wrote:

> We all know it is a good idea. After all, it is a hand-on cert from M$
> But 10 yrs, I think 5yrs is reasonable. In gerenal, there is very little
> different in exp between 5yrs and 10yrs.
> It is different in those fields you mention. Those boards are government
> authorized.
> Unless M$ allows people put Linux in to the system, I think it will be
> another SCEA type program.
> Egghead
> "Sean" <> wrote in message
> news:CC2457D1-BAE0-4E3B-87DB-...
> > Yeah I think its an excellent idea (I originally misunderstood what this
> > level was). After all, Engineers has something very similar. I believe
> > accounts, doctors and lawyers (to say Board certified) also have something
> > similar but not for sure.
> >
> > I think in some industries with board certifications require teaching at a
> > college level as part of the process as well. This keeps the colleges on
> top
> > of things because it¡¦s almost impossible to hire a good teacher in a
> specific
> > industry because if they are any good they would not be teaching! This is
> > particularly bad in IT.
> >
> >
> > "Joseph Bittman MCAD" wrote:
> >
> > > July 18, 2005
> > >
> > > I believe it is a "requirement". Therefore, I believe they want to
> make
> > > especially sure that there is a Distinct level between people with just
> > > certifications and ones With both experience and certifications.
> Seems
> > > like a good idea to me!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Joseph Bittman
> > > Microsoft Certified Application Developer
> > >
> > > Web Site: http://71.39.42.23
> > > Static IP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Joe" <> wrote in message
> > > news:97668F1F-4149-453F-B5B6-...
> > > > Dear all
> > > > I have a question about the cert architect, it seems to have an 10 yrs
> > > > experience to fullfill it , if doesn't have 10 yrs, does it
> meaningless to
> > > > take the exam?
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>