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henk
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      01-14-2006
I want to straat with c++, but what do i need for that?
I saw ms visual c++ .net standard v 2003, is this a good start? in do i
have than everything i need in that package?

Henk.
 
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Victor Bazarov
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      01-14-2006
henk wrote:
> I want to straat with c++, but what do i need for that?


Usually you need a good book, a text editor, and a compiler. I
presume you already have a computer with an operating system on it.

> I saw ms visual c++ .net standard v 2003, is this a good start? in do
> i have than everything i need in that package?


It is a good start, although it probably not cheap. You can find
a free compiler. Look for "Dev-C++". Alternatively, I'd recommend
MS Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition. It's free and quite good. Do
not get distracted by setting up projects, managing configurations
and so on. Begin with using the command-line compiler. You will
still need a good book. Look at www.accu.org for book reviews or
sift through the news archives for gazillion of book recommendations.

V


 
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      01-14-2006
Victor Bazarov schreef:
> henk wrote:
>
>>I want to straat with c++, but what do i need for that?

>
>
> Usually you need a good book, a text editor, and a compiler. I
> presume you already have a computer with an operating system on it.
>
>
>>I saw ms visual c++ .net standard v 2003, is this a good start? in do
>>i have than everything i need in that package?

>
>
> It is a good start, although it probably not cheap. You can find
> a free compiler. Look for "Dev-C++". Alternatively, I'd recommend
> MS Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition. It's free and quite good. Do
> not get distracted by setting up projects, managing configurations
> and so on. Begin with using the command-line compiler. You will
> still need a good book. Look at www.accu.org for book reviews or
> sift through the news archives for gazillion of book recommendations.
>
> V
>
>

Ok thanks for the help!, i shall get the prorgams later.

Henk.
 
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pauldepstein@att.net
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      01-14-2006

Victor Bazarov wrote:
> henk wrote:
> > I want to straat with c++, but what do i need for that?

>
> Usually you need a good book, a text editor, and a compiler. I
> presume you already have a computer with an operating system on it.
>
> > I saw ms visual c++ .net standard v 2003, is this a good start? in do
> > i have than everything i need in that package?

>
> It is a good start, although it probably not cheap. You can find
> a free compiler. Look for "Dev-C++". Alternatively, I'd recommend
> MS Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition. It's free and quite good. Do
> not get distracted by setting up projects, managing configurations
> and so on. Begin with using the command-line compiler. You will
> still need a good book. Look at www.accu.org for book reviews or
> sift through the news archives for gazillion of book recommendations.
>
> V


I, myself, am a beginner who is using Dev C++. I'm struggling with the
debugger a bit, and my impression is that other debuggers are better.
So that may be a downside for Dev C++ compared to most others.

Paul Epstein

 
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      01-14-2006
http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed) schreef:
> Victor Bazarov wrote:
>
>>henk wrote:
>>
>>>I want to straat with c++, but what do i need for that?

>>
>>Usually you need a good book, a text editor, and a compiler. I
>>presume you already have a computer with an operating system on it.
>>
>>
>>>I saw ms visual c++ .net standard v 2003, is this a good start? in do
>>>i have than everything i need in that package?

>>
>>It is a good start, although it probably not cheap. You can find
>>a free compiler. Look for "Dev-C++". Alternatively, I'd recommend
>>MS Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition. It's free and quite good. Do
>>not get distracted by setting up projects, managing configurations
>>and so on. Begin with using the command-line compiler. You will
>>still need a good book. Look at www.accu.org for book reviews or
>>sift through the news archives for gazillion of book recommendations.
>>
>>V

>
>
> I, myself, am a beginner who is using Dev C++. I'm struggling with the
> debugger a bit, and my impression is that other debuggers are better.
> So that may be a downside for Dev C++ compared to most others.
>
> Paul Epstein
>


I'm now downloading ms visual c++ express, i have no experience with
programming, so for now i stick with that for start.

henk
 
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JustBoo
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      01-14-2006
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:59:23 +0100, henk <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>I want to straat with c++, but what do i need for that?
>I saw ms visual c++ .net standard v 2003, is this a good start? in do i
>have than everything i need in that package?
>Henk.


If you have already purchased it, AFAIK, yes.

If you haven't bought it yet there are some alternatives:
http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/cpp.shtml
should get you started. Search yourself though.

This is a good group for Standard C++ questions.

comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,
is the group for specific Windows questions.

Good Luck
 
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      01-14-2006
JustBoo schreef:
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:59:23 +0100, henk <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I want to straat with c++, but what do i need for that?
>>I saw ms visual c++ .net standard v 2003, is this a good start? in do i
>>have than everything i need in that package?
>>Henk.

>
>
> If you have already purchased it, AFAIK, yes.
>
> If you haven't bought it yet there are some alternatives:
> http://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/cpp.shtml
> should get you started. Search yourself though.
>
> This is a good group for Standard C++ questions.
>
> comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32,
> is the group for specific Windows questions.
>
> Good Luck


No i have not purchased anything already.
I'm gonna have a look at the mentioned adres.
Thanks.

henk
 
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frankgerlach@gmail.com
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      01-16-2006
The best debugger is a couple of printf() statements at the right
place... In many cases this is the *only* feasible debugger. For
example, if a program exits after processing 5000 records, you can
hardly step though it 5000 times and then discover the problem with
your debugger (OK, you could watch a counter and break at 4999, but
this is already quite sophisticated). Reading/grep-ing a log written by
some properly placed printf()s is often the fastest way to find a bug.
And if you think that microsoft's debugger is not good, try gdb - you
will quickly want the ms debugger again

 
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      01-16-2006
On 15 Jan 2006 16:56:45 -0800, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:

>The best debugger is a couple of printf() statements at the right
>place... In many cases this is the *only* feasible debugger.


True. The same thing can be realized with iostreams as well. It's
considered more modern and standard, at least in this group.
Just a different way to get the same output.

> Reading/grep-ing a log written by
>some properly placed printf()s is often the fastest way to find a bug.


I find them very useful for temporal based programs. (Programs that
must run over time with many state variables that change over time.)

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