Suggestions for positions now that I have MCSD

I am finding that finding a position is a real challenge in the seattle area.
It appears that everyone want 3 years experience in .NET.
How do I get the experience?
Unless you have C++ experiance, entry level .Net positions appear to be hard
to get.
--
Thanks, Tom

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Not everyone is asking for 3+ years of experience. If you browse
monster.com, hotjobs.com, etc. long enough, you will find entry level
positions. If you are new to the job market (as a developer), then finding
the ideal job may not be an option. One path is to enter a company through
the QA or technical support department and then work your way into
development. This approach may be easier in a medium or small sized company
where the IT departments tend to be more fluid and people typically end up
wearing more than one hat. If SQL Server development (advanced queries,
stored procedures, database modeling, etc) isn't currently one of you
skills, then combing that with programming will help open doors. Just
remember to never stop learning and networking with the right people.

"Tom in Seattle" <> wrote in message
news:2116611A-E728-4EE1-B81B-...
> I am finding that finding a position is a real challenge in the seattle
area.
> It appears that everyone want 3 years experience in .NET.
> How do I get the experience?
> Unless you have C++ experiance, entry level .Net positions appear to be
hard
> to get.
> --
> Thanks, Tom

Tom in Seattle wrote:

> I am finding that finding a position is a real challenge in the
> seattle area. It appears that everyone want 3 years experience in
> .NET. How do I get the experience?
> Unless you have C++ experiance, entry level .Net positions appear to
> be hard to get.

Have you made any web sites for volunteer organizations? This is
something that looks good on a resume.

Eric

Eric

>Have you made any web sites for volunteer organizations? This is
>something that looks good on a resume.

I guess for entry level positions it would help, assuming that is, the
site serves some purpose other than displaying fancy graphics.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere

No company in their right mind would be interested in
employing someone who does not have the proper on the job
experience within the company's area of expertise. It is
giving people false hope suggesting otherwise.

>-----Original Message-----
>>Have you made any web sites for volunteer organizations?
This is
>>something that looks good on a resume.
>
>I guess for entry level positions it would help, assuming
that is, the
>site serves some purpose other than displaying fancy
graphics.
>
>Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3
>.
>

Geoff

My company recently posted a vacancy for a graduate junior
software developer/engineer to work in our Microsoft
technology tools department. We stopped acknowledging
receipts once we had received 1000 postal résumés in just
7 days. These included half a dozen or so with PHD's, go
figure!

>-----Original Message-----
>Not everyone is asking for 3+ years of experience. If you
browse
>monster.com, hotjobs.com, etc. long enough, you will find
entry level
>positions. If you are new to the job market (as a
developer), then finding
>the ideal job may not be an option. One path is to enter
a company through
>the QA or technical support department and then work your
way into
>development. This approach may be easier in a medium or
small sized company
>where the IT departments tend to be more fluid and people
typically end up
>wearing more than one hat. If SQL Server development
(advanced queries,
>stored procedures, database modeling, etc) isn't
currently one of you
>skills, then combing that with programming will help open
doors. Just
>remember to never stop learning and networking with the
right people.
>
>"Tom in Seattle" <>
wrote in message
>news:2116611A-E728-4EE1-B81B-...
>> I am finding that finding a position is a real
challenge in the seattle
>area.
>> It appears that everyone want 3 years experience
in .NET.
>> How do I get the experience?
>> Unless you have C++ experiance, entry level .Net
positions appear to be
>hard
>> to get.
>> --
>> Thanks, Tom
>
>
>.
>

Geoff

Sorting out a handful of good candidates from a stack of 1000 resumes
requires a special talent. Tech recruiters who shotgun their client's
resumes to every possible opening just aggrevate the situation.

My advice to anyone just getting started would be to first finish their
degree (4 years will suffice), learn what is in demand (not just what is
being taught) and get their foot in the door of any development shop. It
doesn't matter which development shop, a good observer can learn lessons
even from a bad shop.

"Geoff" <> wrote in message
news:33b101c48f27$bb1f1750$...
My company recently posted a vacancy for a graduate junior
software developer/engineer to work in our Microsoft
technology tools department. We stopped acknowledging
receipts once we had received 1000 postal résumés in just
7 days. These included half a dozen or so with PHD's, go
figure!

>-----Original Message-----
>Not everyone is asking for 3+ years of experience. If you
browse
>monster.com, hotjobs.com, etc. long enough, you will find
entry level
>positions. If you are new to the job market (as a
developer), then finding
>the ideal job may not be an option. One path is to enter
a company through
>the QA or technical support department and then work your
way into
>development. This approach may be easier in a medium or
small sized company
>where the IT departments tend to be more fluid and people
typically end up
>wearing more than one hat. If SQL Server development
(advanced queries,
>stored procedures, database modeling, etc) isn't
currently one of you
>skills, then combing that with programming will help open
doors. Just
>remember to never stop learning and networking with the
right people.
>
>"Tom in Seattle" <>
wrote in message
>news:2116611A-E728-4EE1-B81B-...
>> I am finding that finding a position is a real
challenge in the seattle
>area.
>> It appears that everyone want 3 years experience
in .NET.
>> How do I get the experience?
>> Unless you have C++ experiance, entry level .Net
positions appear to be
>hard
>> to get.
>> --
>> Thanks, Tom
>
>
>.
>

>My advice to anyone just getting started would be to first finish their
>degree (4 years will suffice)

too right.

> It
>doesn't matter which development shop, a good observer can learn lessons
>even from a bad shop.

although the reputation of the 'bad shop', as you put it, travels with
you has well....

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere

>No company in their right mind would be interested in
>employing someone who does not have the proper on the job
>experience within the company's area of expertise.

totally agree, I never insinuated otherwise

> It is
>giving people false hope suggesting otherwise.

very true.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere

IT developers are like the journeyman sailors of the 18th century. We sign
up with the first ship that comes to port looking for an able seaman,
experience a shipwreck or two, survive (or even participate in) a good
mutiny, occasionally find ourselves languishing unemployed in some port, and
dream of one day being master or even commander of our own vessel.
WKidd

"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:...
> >My advice to anyone just getting started would be to first finish their
> >degree (4 years will suffice)
>
> too right.
>
> > It
> >doesn't matter which development shop, a good observer can learn lessons
> >even from a bad shop.
>
> although the reputation of the 'bad shop', as you put it, travels with
> you has well....
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3