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Richard Heathfield
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      01-03-2006
nelu said:

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> Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> You, also, need to get some help in learning to distinguish between
>> Usenet and real life.

>
> Even when a lot of people apply what they learn on Usenet in real-life?


You need to learn to distinguish between Kenny McCormack and a person
genuinely interested in, and capable of learning from, your answer.

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Keith Thompson
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      01-03-2006
http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed) (Kenny McCormack) writes:
> In article <dpda4c$1lm$(E-Mail Removed)-infra.bt.com>,
> Richard Heathfield <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> (The usual RH psychobabble - deleted)
> (Then clayne says)
>>> But hey, it's that important to be right, right?

>>
>>It can be, yes, when lives are at stake. Badly-written code can kill people.

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Randy Howard
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      01-03-2006
Kenny McCormack wrote
(in article <dpdrr8$aqf$(E-Mail Removed)>):

> In article <dpda4c$1lm$(E-Mail Removed)-infra.bt.com>,
> Richard Heathfield <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> (The usual RH psychobabble - deleted)
> (Then clayne says)
>>> But hey, it's that important to be right, right?

>>
>> It can be, yes, when lives are at stake. Badly-written code can kill people.

>
> You need to learn how to distinguish between Usenet and real life.


And also to recognize when they intersect.

> When you can show me where the contents of a Usenet post affect life/death
> in the real world (i.e., not in the funny little online world), then we'll
> talk, OK?


Simple: Post the source code to a virus here. The real world
will stand up and take notice.

More obscure way: Fail to teach students properly, they go to
Usenet to get help, they get bad advice, then graduate anyway,
go on to employment in a nuclear power plant, on missile
guidance systems, space shuttle management software, etc.
People die.

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clayne
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      01-04-2006
nelu wrote:
> Companies like Siemens use C in a lot of programs used in cars and
> airplanes, some of them in vital places. There are a lot of cases of
> tragedies (cars and planes) related to badly written code (even C).


Hate to break it to you, but they aren't coming to comp.lang.c for code
auditing. Neither are the R+D crew of nuclear reactors and air traffic
control management software.

 
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nelu
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      01-04-2006

clayne wrote:
> Hate to break it to you, but they aren't coming to comp.lang.c for code
> auditing. Neither are the R+D crew of nuclear reactors and air traffic
> control management software.

Oh, I forgot that those people are born with special mutations that
make them C gurus before they get out of the womb.
Maybe rocket scientists don't come here, but there's a chance that some
of them were here before becoming rocket scientists... and maybe
someone who will become a rocket scientist is already here, trying to
learn and getting incomplete information because they were not directed
to the specialists.
You probably know a lot about rockets to help with an answer, but, if
you are wrong, how many people in here are going to correct you?
And errors propagate exponentially... even if they can't.

 
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clayne
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      01-04-2006
Keith Thompson wrote:
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Self-important guy, it's not trolling. We're bringing up valid issues
with valid content and dispute. Just because you fail to agree with or
recognize observations outside of your own
little world does not mean they can be automatically written off as
"trolls trolling." But I understand - it's intellectually easier for
you to cast off that which you don't agree with. All part of that
asperger's thing again, I guess.

 
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clayne
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      01-04-2006
Markus Becker wrote:

> They have a
> problem, ask and discuss, sometimes even learning something
> during the discussions and be glad afterwards that they
> were able to solve their problems. Perhaps they even have
> learned something that helps them to avoid problems or
> errors of similar categories in the future?
>
> Markus, score adjusted


Because typically the answers are snide, strident, and self-important -
with a subtle goal of the regulars trying to out-correct/identify
mistakes of others. There's typically not much pragmatism exercised and
answers are full of implied perfectionism.

 
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Walter Roberson
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      01-04-2006
In article <(E-Mail Removed) om>,
clayne <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Because typically the answers are snide, strident, and self-important -
>with a subtle goal of the regulars trying to out-correct/identify
>mistakes of others. There's typically not much pragmatism exercised and
>answers are full of implied perfectionism.


Well, this -is- comp.LANG.c . It might be different if it were
comp.PROGRAMMING.c .
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Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? It hath
been already of old time, which was before us. -- Ecclesiastes
 
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clayne
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      01-04-2006
Walter Roberson wrote:
> >Because typically the answers are snide, strident, and self-important -
> >with a subtle goal of the regulars trying to out-correct/identify
> >mistakes of others. There's typically not much pragmatism exercised and
> >answers are full of implied perfectionism.

>
> Well, this -is- comp.LANG.c . It might be different if it were
> comp.PROGRAMMING.c .
> --
> Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? It hath
> been already of old time, which was before us. -- Ecclesiastes


And what verse of the bible quotes: "Thou shalt have right to be snide
asshole if posting to comp.lang.* but thou shalt exercise the restraint
of the holy one if stricken by the filth of comp.programming.*" ? I
think that's in Ecclesiastes somewhere as well.

 
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Grumble
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      01-04-2006
clayne wrote:
> But I understand - it's intellectually easier for you to cast off
> that which you don't agree with. All part of that asperger's thing
> again, I guess.


Asparagus?
 
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