what are braindumps

Hi All,

I'm reading a lot of the posts, trying to gain knowledge
into the best path to atke to get my MCSD.NET
certification.

A lot of people are talking about "braindumps" and I don't
like the osund of it. What does this term refer to exactly?

And, are people allowed to go do these exams with their
cheatsheets? And are the exams "open-book" to make it
easier. I sure hope not....

Please advise...

Mike

well braindumps are brain dumps... you take the exam... you remember what
was there and you make a note and post it for others to use.
At the end of it.... the use of braindumps has sort of given exams a
laughable status. People who work hard for certification do not appreciate
some random person.. who knows nothing about programing giving the exam
based on their study of braindumps.. (most of them score on an average lot
better than people having worked hard which again annoys more people)

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Regards,
HD
Once a Geek.... Always a Geek
"Mike" <> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> I'm reading a lot of the posts, trying to gain knowledge
> into the best path to atke to get my MCSD.NET
> certification.
>
> A lot of people are talking about "braindumps" and I don't
> like the osund of it. What does this term refer to exactly?
>
> And, are people allowed to go do these exams with their
> cheatsheets? And are the exams "open-book" to make it
> easier. I sure hope not....
>
> Please advise...

Hermit Dave

>well braindumps are brain dumps... you take the exam... you remember what
>was there and you make a note and post it for others to use.

or take 'screen' dumps using digital cameras.

Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere

oh well.... never thought they would go to that an extent...

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Regards,
HD
Once a Geek.... Always a Geek
"The Poster Formerly Known as Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
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> >well braindumps are brain dumps... you take the exam... you remember what
>>was there and you make a note and post it for others to use.
>
> or take 'screen' dumps using digital cameras.
>
> Kline Sphere (Chalk) MCNGP #3

Hermit Dave

Hermit Dave wrote:
>>> well braindumps are brain dumps... you take the exam... you
>>> remember what was there and you make a note and post it for others
>>> to use.
>>
>> or take 'screen' dumps using digital cameras.
>
> oh well.... never thought they would go to that an extent...

They do... It's a major business. They can't rely on people's memories for
the commercial ones, so they actually use (relatively) high technology to
make sure they get the entire question and answers. Some of them actually
then research the question later in an attempt to show which answer is
correct, but they have no way of really knowing 100% if they got it correct.
I wonder, since the exams are supposed to be proxied, why we don't hear of
any of them ever getting caught. In the two exams I've done so far, at two
different locations, I believe that while there was no-one else in the rooms
with me, there were indeed video cameras, supposedly monitoring and/or
taping me.

Bill Hileman

how about some training centers themselves in the dumps business.. its easy
to dupe the system in that case. all you need is the cctv in a room which
looks like a real exam room with same number of people clicking away
randomly at their screens

well even my center had a cctc camera ... noticed it since it was on top of
my desk wasnt motivated enough to look around for more...

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HD
Once a Geek.... Always a Geek
"Bill Hileman" <> wrote in message
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> Hermit Dave wrote:
>>>> well braindumps are brain dumps... you take the exam... you
>>>> remember what was there and you make a note and post it for others
>>>> to use.
>>>
>>> or take 'screen' dumps using digital cameras.
>>
>> oh well.... never thought they would go to that an extent...
>
> They do... It's a major business. They can't rely on people's memories
> for
> the commercial ones, so they actually use (relatively) high technology to
> make sure they get the entire question and answers. Some of them actually
> then research the question later in an attempt to show which answer is
> correct, but they have no way of really knowing 100% if they got it
> correct.
> I wonder, since the exams are supposed to be proxied, why we don't hear of
> any of them ever getting caught. In the two exams I've done so far, at
> two
> different locations, I believe that while there was no-one else in the
> rooms
> with me, there were indeed video cameras, supposedly monitoring and/or
> taping me.
>

Hermit Dave

"Hermit Dave" <> wrote in message
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> how about some training centers themselves in the dumps business.. its
easy
> to dupe the system in that case. all you need is the cctv in a room which
> looks like a real exam room with same number of people clicking away
> randomly at their screens
>

That is probably the case more than we can imagine. Microsoft seems to have
little or no interest in policing it's business in the west. I can imagine
the level of control of it's test centers in third-world countries.

Sure! C'mon in! Give us your money, we'll take the test for you. Plus copy
the screenshots and sell them online as br@indumps! Crap, that's how half
the governments in the world do business, why would one expect test centers
to be any different?

JaR
Cynical Thug

JaR

Well, thx everyone for clarifying the fact that there are
plenty of lying cheats out there. I guess it's unavoidable
in all aspects of life.

I'll still get my MCSD.NET cert, and hopefully it won't be
so laughable.

Unfortunately, the cheaters are hurting themselves and
hurting us legit programmers even more so, by turning a
perfectly credible certification into a useless piece of
scrap paper.

Lates...


>-----Original Message-----
>"Hermit Dave" <>
wrote in message
>news:%23laUi$...
>> how about some training centers themselves in the dumps
business.. its
>easy
>> to dupe the system in that case. all you need is the
cctv in a room which
>> looks like a real exam room with same number of people
clicking away
>> randomly at their screens
>>
>
>That is probably the case more than we can imagine.
Microsoft seems to have
>little or no interest in policing it's business in the
west. I can imagine
>the level of control of it's test centers in third-world
countries.
>
>Sure! C'mon in! Give us your money, we'll take the test
for you. Plus copy
>the screenshots and sell them online as br@indumps! Crap,
that's how half
>the governments in the world do business, why would one
expect test centers
>to be any different?
>
>JaR
>Cynical Thug
>
>
>.
>

Mike

Ya know, I agree with you guys to a point, but those of us who are working
to earn our cert legitimately need to stick together and continue to tout
the value of legitimately earned certs, not spend so much time bashing paper
certs. It's a half empty/half full thing. The more potential employers hear
about worthless certs, the less they will be valued no matter who is doing
the talking.

Look, I've said it before, the cert's a credential; it says that you have
the cert, not that you're a whiz developer. Earn it honestly and it'll mean
something for you. Cheat, and it's worthless. There are plenty of M.D.'s out
there that cheated there way through Med School, and I wouldn't trust them
to treat cold symptoms. Bottom line is that the cert's not worthless, but it
doesn't make you the greatest developer either. Combine it with experience
and it'll mean something.
"Mike" <> wrote in message
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> Well, thx everyone for clarifying the fact that there are
> plenty of lying cheats out there. I guess it's unavoidable
> in all aspects of life.
>
> I'll still get my MCSD.NET cert, and hopefully it won't be
> so laughable.
>
> Unfortunately, the cheaters are hurting themselves and
> hurting us legit programmers even more so, by turning a
> perfectly credible certification into a useless piece of
> scrap paper.
>
> Lates...
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >"Hermit Dave" <>
> wrote in message
> >news:%23laUi$...
> >> how about some training centers themselves in the dumps
> business.. its
> >easy
> >> to dupe the system in that case. all you need is the
> cctv in a room which
> >> looks like a real exam room with same number of people
> clicking away
> >> randomly at their screens
> >>
> >
> >That is probably the case more than we can imagine.
> Microsoft seems to have
> >little or no interest in policing it's business in the
> west. I can imagine
> >the level of control of it's test centers in third-world
> countries.
> >
> >Sure! C'mon in! Give us your money, we'll take the test
> for you. Plus copy
> >the screenshots and sell them online as br@indumps! Crap,
> that's how half
> >the governments in the world do business, why would one
> expect test centers
> >to be any different?
> >
> >JaR
> >Cynical Thug
> >
> >
> >.
> >

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