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In article <> Keith Thompson <kst-> writes:
> writes:
....
> > By the way who created this usenet news group?
> > its good but needs development.
>
> I don't know who created it, but I think it's been around for over 20
> years.

Jerry Schwarz from BTL Murray Hill, 21 October 1982, as net.lang.c
The only charter for this newsgroup comes from that first article:
> It's purpose is to carry on discussion of C programming and
> the C programming language. Appropriate topics are
>
> Queries on how to write something in C
> Queries about why some C code behaves the way it does
> Suggestions for C modifications or extensions
> C coding "tricks"
> Compiler bugs
> Availability of compilers
> etc.
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

In article <> "nick1 (at) nildram (dot) co (dot) uk" <> writes:
> On 30 Dec 2004 22:12:22 -0800, wrote:
>
> >By the way who created this usenet news group?
>
> Google has archives going back to November 1986. For example:
>
> http://www.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en...f588df9880dafc
>
> As you can see this joins mid-thread and Google does not
> appear to have any archives from before this date.

Ah, the great renaming from 1986. Google goes back to 1981, but you have
to know the group name before that renaming.
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

In article <> Mark McIntyre <> writes:
> On 30 Dec 2004 22:12:22 -0800, in comp.lang.c , wrote:
>
> >By the way who created this usenet news group?
>
> This usenet group was created around the same time as the internet, back in
> the early 80s. It was renamed from net.lang.c in the Great Renaming.

Two errors here. The creation of comp.lang.c is a few years after the
creation of usenet, and a few years before the creation of internet.
For a good history see (although that one does not show when internet
was created - I think around 1986 - it is about usenet only):
<http://groups.google.nl/groups?selm=4p4mct%24q9r%40doc.jmu.edu&output=gpla in>.
The html link mentioned in that article no longer exists. I joined the group
by the end of 1984; I should have celebrated the 20 year anniversary .
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dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

In article <>, says...
> > I don't know who created it, but I think it's been around for over 20
> > years.
>
> Jerry Schwarz from BTL Murray Hill, 21 October 1982, as net.lang.c
> The only charter for this newsgroup comes from that first article:
> > It's purpose is to carry on discussion of C programming and
> > the C programming language. Appropriate topics are
> >
> > Queries on how to write something in C
> > Queries about why some C code behaves the way it does
> > Suggestions for C modifications or extensions
> > C coding "tricks"
> > Compiler bugs

Once upon a time, discussing specific compilers was acceptable,
but alas today it is not.

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:55:56 GMT, in comp.lang.c , "Dik T. Winter"
<> wrote:

>In article <> Mark McIntyre <> writes:
> > On 30 Dec 2004 22:12:22 -0800, in comp.lang.c , wrote:
> >
> > >By the way who created this usenet news group?
> >
> > This usenet group was created around the same time as the internet, back in
> > the early 80s. It was renamed from net.lang.c in the Great Renaming.
>
>Two errors here. The creation of comp.lang.c is a few years after the
>creation of usenet, and a few years before the creation of internet.

Firstly note that I said "around the same time as". In case that doesn't
translate well into Dutch, it doesn't mean simultaneously with, it means
"some time close to".

Secondly you're defining the internet as starting when www was released on
the public. I disagree this definition. The internet is the interconnecting
network of computers rather than a single technology running over it. The
network existed long before www.

Sorry to be pedantic but if you will start it...

--
Mark McIntyre
CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
CLC readme: <http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt>

Mark McIntyre <> writes:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:55:56 GMT, in comp.lang.c , "Dik T. Winter"
> <> wrote:
>
>>In article <> Mark
>>McIntyre <> writes:
>> > On 30 Dec 2004 22:12:22 -0800, in comp.lang.c , wrote:
>> >
>> > >By the way who created this usenet news group?
>> >
>> > This usenet group was created around the same time as the
>> > internet, back in the early 80s. It was renamed from net.lang.c
>> > in the Great Renaming.
>>
>>Two errors here. The creation of comp.lang.c is a few years after the
>>creation of usenet, and a few years before the creation of internet.
>
> Firstly note that I said "around the same time as". In case that doesn't
> translate well into Dutch, it doesn't mean simultaneously with, it means
> "some time close to".

As it turns out, net.lang.c was created very close to the time when
the Internet was created, but it wasn't carried over the Internet
until later.

> Secondly you're defining the internet as starting when www was released on
> the public. I disagree this definition. The internet is the interconnecting
> network of computers rather than a single technology running over it. The
> network existed long before www.

No, I don't think that's what we meant. The WWW originated around
1990. The Internet arguably originated 1983-01-01, when the ARPANET
changed its core protocols to TCP/IP (though the ARPANET itself dates
back to 1969).

Usenet was created in 1979, and net.lang.c appears to have been
created in 1982 (and renamed to comp.lang.c in 1986). For a long
time, most Usenet traffic was carried over UUCP, not over the
Internet.

--
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst- <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center <*> <http://users.sdsc.edu/~kst>
We must do something. This is something. Therefore, we must do this.

On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 02:38:30 GMT, in comp.lang.c , Keith Thompson
<kst-> wrote:

>Mark McIntyre <> writes:
>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:55:56 GMT, in comp.lang.c , "Dik T. Winter"
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <> Mark
>>>McIntyre <> writes:
>>
>> Firstly note that I said "around the same time as". In case that doesn't
>> translate well into Dutch, it doesn't mean simultaneously with, it means
>> "some time close to".
>
>As it turns out, net.lang.c was created very close to the time when
>the Internet was created, but it wasn't carried over the Internet
>until later.

No comment.

>> Secondly you're defining the internet as starting when www was released on
>> the public.
>
>No, I don't think that's what we meant. The WWW originated around
>1990. The Internet arguably originated 1983-01-01, when the ARPANET
>changed its core protocols to TCP/IP (though the ARPANET itself dates
>back to 1969).

Yes, thats a definition I can accept. Especially since it fits my original
dates well !!


--
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CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
CLC readme: <http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt>

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In article <> Mark McIntyre <> writes:
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 02:55:56 GMT, in comp.lang.c , "Dik T. Winter"
> <> wrote:
> >In article <> Mark McIntyre <> writes:
....
> > > This usenet group was created around the same time as the internet, back in
> > > the early 80s. It was renamed from net.lang.c in the Great Renaming.
> >
> >Two errors here. The creation of comp.lang.c is a few years after the
> >creation of usenet, and a few years before the creation of internet.
>
> Firstly note that I said "around the same time as". In case that doesn't
> translate well into Dutch, it doesn't mean simultaneously with, it means
> "some time close to".

I should not have used the word error. What I thought wrong was the
suggestion that there was any relation between the creation of both.

> Secondly you're defining the internet as starting when www was released on
> the public. I disagree this definition.

I do not define it as such. We were the first open non-USA, non-Canada
site connected to the internet back in 1988, still quite some time before
www (and at that time also called NSFnet). But we had Usenet since about
1983, and it was mainly UUCP which was used for Usenet.
--
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/

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>
> By the way who created this usenet news group?

Here's some information on how Usenet newsgroups are created:

http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/big-eight.html
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/crea...sgroups/part1/

Here's some general information about Usenet:

http://www.newbie.net/tgos/newbie/
http://www.faqs.org/usenet/index.html
http://www.ibiblio.org/usenet-i/
http://groups.google.co.uk/googlegroups/basics.html
http://directory.google.com/Top/Comp...senet/History/
http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html
http://www.google.com/googlegroups/a...nounce_20.html

You are using Google Groups Beta, so here's some info about GG2:

http://www.google.com/googlegroups/tour/index.html

Here's the Google Groups Beta discussion forum, where you can ask for help
in case you are having problems with using GG2:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/google-labs-groups2

> its good but needs development.

This Usenet newsgroup looks better when you view it with Google Groups
Original, or with a newsreader:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl...&q=comp.lang.c
http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/oe/