Attn MCP Cert Team: MCSD Logo Versioning Required

Greetings. This letter is to both the MS Cert Team and to anyone else who
cares.

I am currently interviewing at some select companies here in Minnesota. At
every interview thus far, I have had to explain that, although the logo on
my resume merely states MCSD, I am certified in VS6 and .NET. They see the
logo and assume I am only certified in VB6 or VC6.

The MCSD graphics that Microsoft has given me for use on BCs and resumes do
not state the version of Microsoft technology for which I am certified. In
other words, I have passed four additional exams (three C# exams and the
Architecture exam) to keep the same MCSD logo.

The Microsoft certification rules are quite specific in stating that I
cannot modify Microsoft certification logos in any way. However, due to the
recent confusion of my potential employers, I am exceedingly tempted to add
a small, blue, italicized "for Microsoft .NET" to the bottom of the MCSD
logo to truly advertise my certification level. I understand this would be a
violation.

I feel this is a serious issue. No, a certification logo on my resume does
not ensure placement. However, I have found that it often helps me to get me
a call back for a first interview when I submit a resume to a company. I
would just like the logo to be a bit more specific.

Davin Mickelson,
MCSD.NET (not supposed to do this either)

Davin Mickelson

>They see the
>logo and assume I am only certified in VB6 or VC6.

What about Foxpro, hee, hee!

Kline Sphere

Doh!

I crossed about five people out there.

Davin

"Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news:...
> >They see the
> >logo and assume I am only certified in VB6 or VC6.
>
> What about Foxpro, hee, hee!

Davin Mickelson

>At
>every interview thus far, I have had to explain that, although the logo on
>my resume merely states MCSD, I am certified in VS6 and .NET.

Why does it really matter? Surely a company will read your resume and
deduce whether or not you 'may' be fit for the role based on your
experience .

However it does seem daft that there is not a separate logo for dot
net.

Kline Sphere

>I crossed about five people out there

Six I heard. lol!

Kline Sphere

True - my experience is a larger part of what will place me at a company.

I am hoping that the letter will at least motivate someone on the cert team
to bring it up as a meeting agenda item. They have continually had the
problem with developers thumbing their noses at the entire idea of
certifications. They should make the extra effort for those of us who
actually give a hoot.

Davin


"Kline Sphere" <.> wrote in message
news...
> >At
> >every interview thus far, I have had to explain that, although the logo
on
> >my resume merely states MCSD, I am certified in VS6 and .NET.
>
> Why does it really matter? Surely a company will read your resume and
> deduce whether or not you 'may' be fit for the role based on your
> experience .
>
> However it does seem daft that there is not a separate logo for dot
> net.

Davin Mickelson

You could add a notation beneath the logo (not modifying the logo) to
indicate that your certification is .NET. Also, you could list your
certification exams seperately in a section called "Education and
Certifications".


"Davin Mickelson" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Greetings. This letter is to both the MS Cert Team and to anyone else who
> cares.
>
> I am currently interviewing at some select companies here in Minnesota. At
> every interview thus far, I have had to explain that, although the logo on
> my resume merely states MCSD, I am certified in VS6 and .NET. They see the
> logo and assume I am only certified in VB6 or VC6.
>
> The MCSD graphics that Microsoft has given me for use on BCs and resumes
do
> not state the version of Microsoft technology for which I am certified. In
> other words, I have passed four additional exams (three C# exams and the
> Architecture exam) to keep the same MCSD logo.
>
> The Microsoft certification rules are quite specific in stating that I
> cannot modify Microsoft certification logos in any way. However, due to
the
> recent confusion of my potential employers, I am exceedingly tempted to
add
> a small, blue, italicized "for Microsoft .NET" to the bottom of the MCSD
> logo to truly advertise my certification level. I understand this would be
a
> violation.
>
> I feel this is a serious issue. No, a certification logo on my resume does
> not ensure placement. However, I have found that it often helps me to get
me
> a call back for a first interview when I submit a resume to a company. I
> would just like the logo to be a bit more specific.
>
> Davin Mickelson,
> MCSD.NET (not supposed to do this either)
>
>

Good point about adding the text below it. I can do that in whichever
font/color/formatting I choose. But I must adhere to the logo rules about
the amount of whitespace that must surround the logo.

I do mention my certification titles in the Certification section.

Thanks for your ideas.

Davin

<JBarton> wrote in message news:%...
> You could add a notation beneath the logo (not modifying the logo) to
> indicate that your certification is .NET. Also, you could list your
> certification exams seperately in a section called "Education and
> Certifications".
>
>
> "Davin Mickelson" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Greetings. This letter is to both the MS Cert Team and to anyone else
who
> > cares.
> >
> > I am currently interviewing at some select companies here in Minnesota.
At
> > every interview thus far, I have had to explain that, although the logo
on
> > my resume merely states MCSD, I am certified in VS6 and .NET. They see
the
> > logo and assume I am only certified in VB6 or VC6.
> >
> > The MCSD graphics that Microsoft has given me for use on BCs and resumes
> do
> > not state the version of Microsoft technology for which I am certified.
In
> > other words, I have passed four additional exams (three C# exams and the
> > Architecture exam) to keep the same MCSD logo.
> >
> > The Microsoft certification rules are quite specific in stating that I
> > cannot modify Microsoft certification logos in any way. However, due to
> the
> > recent confusion of my potential employers, I am exceedingly tempted to
> add
> > a small, blue, italicized "for Microsoft .NET" to the bottom of the MCSD
> > logo to truly advertise my certification level. I understand this would
be
> a
> > violation.
> >
> > I feel this is a serious issue. No, a certification logo on my resume
does
> > not ensure placement. However, I have found that it often helps me to
get
> me
> > a call back for a first interview when I submit a resume to a company. I
> > would just like the logo to be a bit more specific.
> >
> > Davin Mickelson,
> > MCSD.NET (not supposed to do this either)
> >
> >
>
>

Davin Mickelson

How do you distinguish the MCSDs? Do you list the .NET MCSD as "MCSD for
..NET"?

BTW, I agree wholeheartedly with you on this issue. Microsoft should
distinguish the logos. And heck, they've added the .NET moniker to just
about everything else they own, why not just add it to the MCSD to read
MCSD.NET? <grin>

--
Leigh Kendall MCSD, MCDBA

"Davin Mickelson" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Good point about adding the text below it. I can do that in whichever
> font/color/formatting I choose. But I must adhere to the logo rules about
> the amount of whitespace that must surround the logo.
>
> I do mention my certification titles in the Certification section.
>
> Thanks for your ideas.
>
> Davin
>
> <JBarton> wrote in message news:%...
> > You could add a notation beneath the logo (not modifying the logo) to
> > indicate that your certification is .NET. Also, you could list your
> > certification exams seperately in a section called "Education and
> > Certifications".
> >
> >
> > "Davin Mickelson" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> > > Greetings. This letter is to both the MS Cert Team and to anyone else
> who
> > > cares.
> > >
> > > I am currently interviewing at some select companies here in
Minnesota.
> At
> > > every interview thus far, I have had to explain that, although the
logo
> on
> > > my resume merely states MCSD, I am certified in VS6 and .NET. They see
> the
> > > logo and assume I am only certified in VB6 or VC6.
> > >
> > > The MCSD graphics that Microsoft has given me for use on BCs and
resumes
> > do
> > > not state the version of Microsoft technology for which I am
certified.
> In
> > > other words, I have passed four additional exams (three C# exams and
the
> > > Architecture exam) to keep the same MCSD logo.
> > >
> > > The Microsoft certification rules are quite specific in stating that I
> > > cannot modify Microsoft certification logos in any way. However, due
to
> > the
> > > recent confusion of my potential employers, I am exceedingly tempted
to
> > add
> > > a small, blue, italicized "for Microsoft .NET" to the bottom of the
MCSD
> > > logo to truly advertise my certification level. I understand this
would
> be
> > a
> > > violation.
> > >
> > > I feel this is a serious issue. No, a certification logo on my resume
> does
> > > not ensure placement. However, I have found that it often helps me to
> get
> > me
> > > a call back for a first interview when I submit a resume to a company.
I
> > > would just like the logo to be a bit more specific.
> > >
> > > Davin Mickelson,
> > > MCSD.NET (not supposed to do this either)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Leigh Kendall

While job searching a few years ago, I found that some interviewers had a
"la dee freeken da" attitude about Microsoft certification. I think that
some IT people who are not certified (and who perhaps don't care to be) are
perhaps intimidated. This sometimes manifests itself when they pretend not
to know what it is and ask why I felt my certification would make me a
better candidate.


"Davin Mickelson" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Greetings. This letter is to both the MS Cert Team and to anyone else who
> cares.
>
> I am currently interviewing at some select companies here in Minnesota. At
> every interview thus far, I have had to explain that, although the logo on
> my resume merely states MCSD, I am certified in VS6 and .NET. They see the
> logo and assume I am only certified in VB6 or VC6.
>
> The MCSD graphics that Microsoft has given me for use on BCs and resumes
do
> not state the version of Microsoft technology for which I am certified. In
> other words, I have passed four additional exams (three C# exams and the
> Architecture exam) to keep the same MCSD logo.
>
> The Microsoft certification rules are quite specific in stating that I
> cannot modify Microsoft certification logos in any way. However, due to
the
> recent confusion of my potential employers, I am exceedingly tempted to
add
> a small, blue, italicized "for Microsoft .NET" to the bottom of the MCSD
> logo to truly advertise my certification level. I understand this would be
a
> violation.
>
> I feel this is a serious issue. No, a certification logo on my resume does
> not ensure placement. However, I have found that it often helps me to get
me
> a call back for a first interview when I submit a resume to a company. I
> would just like the logo to be a bit more specific.
>
> Davin Mickelson,
> MCSD.NET (not supposed to do this either)
>
>