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I've got Home edition - want to upgrade to Pro. Online
used prices are much lower (i.e., $100 vs.$200) How can
one sell a product, which can only be licensed, in used
condition. How does this work? Can it be registered? I
don't get it...

Whassup?

Jay

Jay wrote:
> I've got Home edition - want to upgrade to Pro. Online
> used prices are much lower (i.e., $100 vs.$200) How can
> one sell a product, which can only be licensed, in used
> condition. How does this work? Can it be registered? I
> don't get it...
>
> Whassup?
>
> Jay

You can't sell software once you've installed it. It says so in the EULA.

There was a minor scandal a year ago, because some people donated PCs
with Windows to charity and the charity had to buy Windows licenses
because you can't even give Windows away legally.

It's true.

So how is it that "reputable" online vendors can sell used
software? Or is it, as you say, simply illegal?


>-----Original Message-----
>Jay wrote:
>> I've got Home edition - want to upgrade to Pro. Online
>> used prices are much lower (i.e., $100 vs.$200) How
can
>> one sell a product, which can only be licensed, in
used
>> condition. How does this work? Can it be registered?
I
>> don't get it...
>>
>> Whassup?
>>
>> Jay
>
>You can't sell software once you've installed it. It
says so in the EULA.
>
>There was a minor scandal a year ago, because some people
donated PCs
>with Windows to charity and the charity had to buy
Windows licenses
>because you can't even give Windows away legally.
>
>It's true.
>
>.
>

I've noticed that these "deals" are often described
as "Educational" versions - how does that play in the
scheme?

Jay
>-----Original Message-----
>Jay wrote:
>> I've got Home edition - want to upgrade to Pro. Online
>> used prices are much lower (i.e., $100 vs.$200) How
can
>> one sell a product, which can only be licensed, in
used
>> condition. How does this work? Can it be registered?
I
>> don't get it...
>>
>> Whassup?
>>
>> Jay
>
>You can't sell software once you've installed it. It
says so in the EULA.
>
>There was a minor scandal a year ago, because some people
donated PCs
>with Windows to charity and the charity had to buy
Windows licenses
>because you can't even give Windows away legally.
>
>It's true.
>
>.
>

If you found someone that sells used gold at a good
price, let me know.
>-----Original Message-----
>So how is it that "reputable" online vendors can sell
used
>software? Or is it, as you say, simply illegal?
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>Jay wrote:
>>> I've got Home edition - want to upgrade to Pro.
Online
>>> used prices are much lower (i.e., $100 vs.$200) How
>can
>>> one sell a product, which can only be licensed, in
>used
>>> condition. How does this work? Can it be
registered?
>I
>>> don't get it...
>>>
>>> Whassup?
>>>
>>> Jay
>>
>>You can't sell software once you've installed it. It
>says so in the EULA.
>>
>>There was a minor scandal a year ago, because some
people
>donated PCs
>>with Windows to charity and the charity had to buy
>Windows licenses
>>because you can't even give Windows away legally.
>>
>>It's true.
>>
>>.
>>
>.
>

>So how is it that "reputable" online vendors can sell used
>software? Or is it, as you say, simply illegal?

That would depend on the software in question.

However, in general (as is the case with Microsoft), you paying for a
license to use the software, NOT the software itself.

Actually, it says you can transfer ownership ONCE, the second owner is the
one who cannot transfer ownership and further... Besides, since when can MS
dictate how many times a product can be sold anyway? Not to mention being
able to tell if the owner doesn't register the software...

Just sell it and be done....

Lorne

"General Protection Fault" <> wrote
in message news:...
> Jay wrote:
> > I've got Home edition - want to upgrade to Pro. Online
> > used prices are much lower (i.e., $100 vs.$200) How can
> > one sell a product, which can only be licensed, in used
> > condition. How does this work? Can it be registered? I
> > don't get it...
> >
> > Whassup?
> >
> > Jay
>
> You can't sell software once you've installed it. It says so in the EULA.
>
> There was a minor scandal a year ago, because some people donated PCs
> with Windows to charity and the charity had to buy Windows licenses
> because you can't even give Windows away legally.
>
> It's true.
>

wrote:
> So how is it that "reputable" online vendors can sell used
> software? Or is it, as you say, simply illegal?

It depends on the license. If it's Microsoft software, it's illegal.

Who is this "reputable" vendor?

Lorne Smith wrote:

> Actually, it says you can transfer ownership ONCE, the second owner is the
> one who cannot transfer ownership and further... Besides, since when can MS
> dictate how many times a product can be sold anyway? Not to mention being
> able to tell if the owner doesn't register the software...

When you installed the software, you agreed to the license that says you
won't transfer ownership (as in the case of Windows 2000). They can ask
you to agree to anything they want. If you installed the software, you
agreed to the license, and it's legally binding and enforceable.

So you see why software licenses are ridiculous.

But like I said, the terms of the EULA allow you to transfer ownership ONCE,
so you can resell it, it's just that the guy who buys it from you isn't
allowed to sell it on (according to MS... Licensing limitations such as this
are not really enforceable).

It's not yet been established in court whether the terms of the EULA are
legally enforeable or not. Until they are, the whole thing is a gret area
really...

BTW: Be carefull M$ don't try and sue you for using some of their
terminology for your nick!

Lorne


"General Protection Fault" <> wrote
in message news:...
> Lorne Smith wrote:
>
> > Actually, it says you can transfer ownership ONCE, the second owner is
the
> > one who cannot transfer ownership and further... Besides, since when can
MS
> > dictate how many times a product can be sold anyway? Not to mention
being
> > able to tell if the owner doesn't register the software...
>
> When you installed the software, you agreed to the license that says you
> won't transfer ownership (as in the case of Windows 2000). They can ask
> you to agree to anything they want. If you installed the software, you
> agreed to the license, and it's legally binding and enforceable.
>
> So you see why software licenses are ridiculous.
>
>