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I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
(don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
28-75mm if the zoom works out well.

thanks.

<RnR> wrote in message news:...
>I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
> around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
> want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
> don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
> fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
> have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
> zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
> mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
> (don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
> 28-75mm if the zoom works out well.
>
> thanks.

I always suggest L series lenses in answer to this sort of question. You
have bought a very good camera body and you will not be using it at its best
if you fit mediocre lenses. Look at the 24-104mm f4 L IS. You will only buy
it once yet you will possibly replace the camera body every 3 years or so.

If you insist on an economy lens look at the 28-105mm f3.5-4.5 II USM. It's
a quarter the cost of the L lens and very much lighter and smaller. It's no
where near as good but if you've never used L you'll probably think it's
quite a good lens.

John

>> I don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
>> fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
>> have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
>> zoom for the trip.
> I always suggest L series lenses in answer to this sort of question. You
> have bought a very good camera body and you will not be using it at its best
> if you fit mediocre lenses. Look at the 24-104mm f4 L IS. You will only buy
> it once yet you will possibly replace the camera body every 3 years or so.

I agree with you completely, but the OP specifically said he didn't want
top of the line and not too a heavy lens.

> If you insist on an economy lens look at the 28-105mm f3.5-4.5 II USM. It's
> a quarter the cost of the L lens and very much lighter and smaller. It's no
> where near as good but if you've never used L you'll probably think it's
> quite a good lens.

There's also a 28-135mm f3.5-5.6 version with IS. It's a bit more
expensive but might suit the requirement for more reach a bit better.

--
Derek Fountain on the web at http://www.derekfountain.org/

RnR wrote:
> I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
> around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
> want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
> don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
> fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
> have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
> zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
> mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
> (don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
> 28-75mm if the zoom works out well.
>
> thanks.

It is really difficult to choose a lens for someone, unless I have seen
their work. However I will make a few observations.

The "kit" lens 18-55 zoom is a great general use travel lens. It is
super light and small. It covers moderate wide angle to slight telephoto.
The quality is good, but not great. The price is great.

I carry the above and the 10-22 extra wide zoom for most of my vacation
type work. I also have a 75-200 for use when I need something longer as
well as a 500, but the only time I have carried either on a vacation type
trip was when I was expecting to do some "nature" work involving animals.

In my experience most general users (You will find that most of those
who answer questions here are not general users, but are advanced amateurs
or professionals.) greatly underestimate the value of wide angle and greatly
over estimate the value of telephoto.

Many years ago I sold camera equipment. I can't tell you how many times
I had customers tell me they needed a telephoto lens because they were going
to be taking photos of mountains, or how disappointed they were with the
results of using telephotos when taking photos of mountains. Mountains are
far away, but you need a wide angle as the are very big!

Indoor or even outdoor photos of building often demand wide angle as
does taking photos of groups of people in confined spaces.

In short, consider the advantages of wide angle.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia 's Muire duit

"Joseph Meehan" <> wrote in message
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> RnR wrote:
>> I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
>> around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
>> want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
>> don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
>> fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
>> have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
>> zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
>> mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
>> (don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
>> 28-75mm if the zoom works out well.
>>
>> thanks.
>
> It is really difficult to choose a lens for someone, unless I have seen
> their work. However I will make a few observations.
>
> The "kit" lens 18-55 zoom is a great general use travel lens. It is
> super light and small. It covers moderate wide angle to slight telephoto.
> The quality is good, but not great. The price is great.
>
> I carry the above and the 10-22 extra wide zoom for most of my
> vacation type work. I also have a 75-200 for use when I need something
> longer as well as a 500, but the only time I have carried either on a
> vacation type trip was when I was expecting to do some "nature" work
> involving animals.
>
> In my experience most general users (You will find that most of those
> who answer questions here are not general users, but are advanced amateurs
> or professionals.) greatly underestimate the value of wide angle and
> greatly over estimate the value of telephoto.
>
> Many years ago I sold camera equipment. I can't tell you how many
> times I had customers tell me they needed a telephoto lens because they
> were going to be taking photos of mountains, or how disappointed they were
> with the results of using telephotos when taking photos of mountains.
> Mountains are far away, but you need a wide angle as the are very big!
>
> Indoor or even outdoor photos of building often demand wide angle as
> does taking photos of groups of people in confined spaces.
>
> In short, consider the advantages of wide angle.
>
>


Amen. I recently traded a Canon 17-40 f/4L for a Tokina 12-24 f/4 AT-X Pro
DX. The crop factor on the 350-400D proved too much, so I opted for the
Tokina which now actually gives me 18mm at the widest end. I have to say, I
like the Tokina better in all aspects, even though it has no red stripe.





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> Joseph Meehan
>
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>
>
>
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 01:17:32 -0600, RnR wrote:

>I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
>around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
>want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
>don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
>fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
>have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
>zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
>mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
>(don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
>28-75mm if the zoom works out well.

The kit lenses (18-55mm and 17-85mm) would be excellent choices for
the type of photography you describe. The 18-55 is a fine lens and is
very light in weight. It is often criticized in this NG because folks
here are very fussy and there are sharper lenses, but those lenses are
much heavier and more expensive.

The 17-85mm also is not top of the line and is not very sharp at the
corners, but has image stabilization (compensating for mild camera
motion) and has a wider zoom range, which is very useful if you are
going to have just one lens. You will get a lot of good pictures with
this lens and it is fun to use.

A zoom range of 28-75mm is not that great for the 20D because the wide
end is not very wide. Many people find they need around 17-18mm for
interior shots such as you might want to take on the ship.

It's lens, not lense.

KS

On Jan 2, 2:17 am, RnR wrote:
> I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
> around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
> want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
> don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
> fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
> have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
> zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
> mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
> (don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
> 28-75mm if the zoom works out well.
>
> thanks.

On Jan 2, 2:17 am, RnR wrote:
> I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
> around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
> want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
> don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
> fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
> have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
> zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
> mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
> (don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
> 28-75mm if the zoom works out well.
>
> thanks

If you need more tele, the Canon 70-210 f4L is just a wonderful lens,
the latest with IS would be better but not essential if $ are a
concern. It has been around long enough that used ones are readily
available. Check KEH.com.
If you need wide look at the 17-40 Canon (again available used), for
even wider the 10-22 Canon, 12-24 Tokina or the 10-20 Sigma, the Canon
being the best. probably not available used. The Tamron you have is a
great walk around lens wouldn't sell it unless it is not performing for
you. Having a wide, the Tamron and the 70-210 would be a great kit and
not to heavy, I'm used to medium, large format, and motorized 35s. So
even my D200 seem light ( I used a friends Canon with a 17-40, and
70-210 for a few months before buying the D200. Wish Nikon had a lens
as good and light as the 70-210 f4L.

Tom

RnR wrote:
> I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
> around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
> want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
> don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
> fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
> have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
> zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
> mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
> (don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
> 28-75mm if the zoom works out well.

I have used a Sigma 18-200mm for about 1.5 years on a Canon 300D and
find it to be a fantastic all around performer. It produces outstanding
photos for my wife and I. It is light weight, small, well built, has
zoom a lock, quick and accurate focus and can be had for a very
reasonable price. Here are a few shots I have taken in various shooting
conditions all through its zoom range:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...s/IMG_5975.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../CRW_7106a.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../CRW_7000a.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../CRW_6841a.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../CRW_6933a.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2...IMemorial8.jpg
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c2.../CRW_6703a.jpg

I wouldn't hesitate to go on a vacation with this as my only lens. It
will cover about any shooting situation you encounter.

RnR wrote:
> I may take a cruise vacation (bahamas) and like to use a good all
> around (short preferable in length) zoom lense (28-??). Basically
> want to zoom in and out for vacation pics on the ship and land. I
> don't want top of the line stuff but middle quality I think will be
> fine and not too heavy of a lense (camera is already a bit heavy). I
> have one lense for all around now, Tamron 28-75mm but would like more
> zoom for the trip. Otherwise I like this Tamron lense and wouldn't
> mind a similar quality. I just want one lense to use for the trip
> (don't want to have to change lenses) and might consider selling the
> 28-75mm if the zoom works out well.
>
> thanks.

If you like the Tamron Lens, then you might consider the Tamron

AF18-200mm F/3.5-6.3 XR Di II

It is fairly short for such a wide range of focal lengths and it only
weighs 14 oz's. I used one and a Tamron Photography workshop and it
was good. Everything that we shot was outdoors at a game preserve.

You probably already know this information, but I will go ahead and
include it in this post. The CCD sensor on the 20D has a multiplication
factor of 1.6x. So the above lens is equivalent to a 29-320mm for a
film camera or a full-frame DSLR.

I an looking for a lens myself, but I am wanting the lowest F-Stop I can
get at a reasonable price. I was not able to test the above lens in a
indoor low-light situation, so I passed on it.