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> Kinon O'Cann je napisao/la:
>> I never thought this camera could succeed, since it seems to compete with
>> cameras with more capabilities, like SLRs. I think Sony really blew it by
>> not improving the 828. If Sony had included IR, and a good movie mode on
>> the
>> R1 I might have bought one. But what in the hell is the point in the R1
>> if
>> you already own an SLR? And if you're willing to carry something that
>> large,
>> why not just get an SLR? Sony clearly missed the boat on this one.
>>
>
> It's cheapest solution for someone in the need of great image quality
> maybe?

But the image quality isn't great, especially at higher ISOs where it cannot
compete with the DLSRs.

>

"Alfred Molon" <> wrote in message
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> In article <Gqn4h.20$>, Kinon O'Cann
> says...
>>
>> I never thought this camera could succeed, since it seems to compete with
>> cameras with more capabilities, like SLRs. I think Sony really blew it by
>> not improving the 828. If Sony had included IR, and a good movie mode on
>> the
>> R1 I might have bought one. But what in the hell is the point in the R1
>> if
>> you already own an SLR? And if you're willing to carry something that
>> large,
>> why not just get an SLR?
>
> Live preview. I've nothing against cameras with interchangeable lenses
> and large sensors, as long as they have live preview on a swivelable
> screen. That's an essential feature for the kind of photography I do.

How did you get along in life before this cam appeared? What camera offered
that combination prior to this one?

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Kinon O'Cann je napisao/la:
> <> wrote in message
> > It's cheapest solution for someone in the need of great image quality
> > maybe?
>
> But the image quality isn't great, especially at higher ISOs where it cannot
> compete with the DLSRs.
>


Now, I didn't use DSLR ever, have my A70 for three years and I want
some nice pictures without trashing mega-bucks. As Steve said, DSLR
with matching image quality would cost double the R1 at least (888$
here at my place, 800$ 350D w kit lens, 952$ E-500 w dual kit), and I
can believe him seeing images made with kit lens that came with most.

I want nice clean believable pictures for my architecture and landscape
photo, RAW and 24-120, can you gave me another solution for least money
and hassle with using it and carrying it around? (don't care for higher
ISO, I like night photography but tripod is a must anyway for it)...

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> Kinon O'Cann je napisao/la:
>> <> wrote in message
>> > It's cheapest solution for someone in the need of great image quality
>> > maybe?
>>
>> But the image quality isn't great, especially at higher ISOs where it
>> cannot
>> compete with the DLSRs.
>>
>
>
> Now, I didn't use DSLR ever, have my A70 for three years and I want
> some nice pictures without trashing mega-bucks. As Steve said, DSLR
> with matching image quality would cost double the R1 at least (888$
> here at my place, 800$ 350D w kit lens, 952$ E-500 w dual kit), and I
> can believe him seeing images made with kit lens that came with most.
>
> I want nice clean believable pictures for my architecture and landscape
> photo, RAW and 24-120, can you gave me another solution for least money
> and hassle with using it and carrying it around? (don't care for higher
> ISO, I like night photography but tripod is a must anyway for it)...

A Canon or Nikon entry level DSLR with an appropriate lens would be fine.
Maybe a little more, maybe a little less oney, but a far better system. And,
if you want to shoot RAW, forget the Sony. 10 seconds between shots?!
Please! A total waste of time.

>

In article <QUJ4h.30$>, Kinon O'Cann
says...

> if you want to shoot RAW, forget the Sony. 10 seconds between shots?!

3.5 seconds if you use a fast Memory Stick. You probably have never used
an R1.
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In article <OwF4h.26$>, Kinon O'Cann
says...
>
> How did you get along in life before this cam appeared? What camera offered
> that combination prior to this one?

Tons of other cameras with a smaller sensor.
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I believe at dpreview they state considering just the lens of the R1 is
worth 900$ itself, so for the present price its a great deal for
architectural shooting if you use Iso 100. Add to that I.S., swivel Lcd,
and live preview. To get a dslr and lens to compete would likely cost
16-1800. It probably hasnt sold since it is a specific use camera , and
big. For 650 or so buy it.

In article <21014-45537C11->, m Ransley
says...
> I believe at dpreview they state considering just the lens of the R1 is
> worth 900$ itself, so for the present price its a great deal for
> architectural shooting if you use Iso 100. Add to that I.S.,

Unfortunately the R1 has no IS.
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Panos wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> so, why is this? cuz of the alpha???
>>> this is the most short-lived camera ever.
>> I would have liked a non-SLR camera with a larger sensor for better
>> quality - at least until I saw the size and weight of that brute!
>>
>> David
>
> Your desire is shared by many other people but unfortunately it is not
> shared by the camera manufacturers who want to make you buy an SLR
> camera with their overpriced lenses in order to lock you in their
> system. The upcoming Sigma DP1 looks promising but it is still under
> development.
>
> Panos
>
Too bad the Stigma DP1 is a 4.5 megapixel toy

"Alfred Molon" <> wrote in message
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> In article <QUJ4h.30$>, Kinon O'Cann
> says...
>
>> if you want to shoot RAW, forget the Sony. 10 seconds between shots?!
>
> 3.5 seconds if you use a fast Memory Stick. You probably have never used
> an R1.

Wow. Blazing speed. I never used one with a card that fast, true. But that
still stinks.

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