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John McWilliams
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      11-01-2006
David J Taylor wrote:
> David J. Littleboy wrote:
> []
>> BS again. Looking at page after page of grainy grit gets old quick.
>> The grain detracts from the images, not enhances them.

>
> Whatever works for you - I do not think that technical excellence or
> complete freedom from grain is essential for an image to be worth looking
> at, or for me to enjoy.


Without too much stretching, it seems as though you and the other David
J might actually be more in agreement than otherwise.

But I was wrong once before on this NG....


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David J Taylor
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      11-01-2006
John McWilliams wrote:
> David J Taylor wrote:
>> David J. Littleboy wrote:
>> []
>>> BS again. Looking at page after page of grainy grit gets old quick.
>>> The grain detracts from the images, not enhances them.

>>
>> Whatever works for you - I do not think that technical excellence or
>> complete freedom from grain is essential for an image to be worth
>> looking at, or for me to enjoy.

>
> Without too much stretching, it seems as though you and the other
> David J might actually be more in agreement than otherwise.
>
> But I was wrong once before on this NG....
>
>
> <s.>


Oh, quite possibly! I just don't mind a little noise in an image, and
feel there are times when grain or noise can positively enhance the
character of an image. Like David, I probably wouldn't want to look at
page after page of such images, nor would I expect significant grain in
"daylight" condition images....

David


 
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Annika1980
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      11-01-2006

Kinon O'Cann wrote:
> Reichman's review is up, and if you wish to believe him, Leica has hit a
> home run with this one.
>
> www.luminous-landscape.com


That review makes me want to go out and buy a new camera ... a Canon 5D.

 
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frederick
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      11-01-2006
Barry Pearson wrote:
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> The Nikon D70 (and perhaps other Nikons?) is claimed to have a lossy,
> but "visually lossless", compression of raw data before storage. This
> was apparently to achieve smaller raw files. I assume the M8 has it for
> the same reason. It enables the raw file for a 10 MP camera to be 10 MB
> without any other compression, and if it is run through the DNG
> Converter to (losslessly) compress it, that typically reduces to 7 MB
> or less. (And the D70 had a weaker than normal anti-alias filter).
>


Have you seen examples comparing lossy with lossless raw format on a
camera that has both options?
That I haven't seen any posted on the internet perhaps indicates that
there's nothing to see? Perhaps I haven't looked hard enough.
 
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frederick
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      11-01-2006
Annika1980 wrote:
> Kinon O'Cann wrote:
>> Reichman's review is up, and if you wish to believe him, Leica has hit a
>> home run with this one.
>>
>> www.luminous-landscape.com

>
> That review makes me want to go out and buy a new camera ... a Canon 5D.
>

If you fit some Shakti stones to the M8, then you will clearly see the
je ne sais quoi intangible qualities that Leica offers.
Shakti stones have many more published favourable reviews than the M8
itself.
http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm
The patented Noise Reduction Technology should be exactly and perfectly
as effective on digital cameras as it is for audio applications.
Then again, if they work for the M8, they'll also work for the 5d.
 
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Scott W
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      11-01-2006

frederick wrote:
> Annika1980 wrote:
> > Kinon O'Cann wrote:
> >> Reichman's review is up, and if you wish to believe him, Leica has hit a
> >> home run with this one.
> >>
> >> www.luminous-landscape.com

> >
> > That review makes me want to go out and buy a new camera ... a Canon 5D.
> >

> If you fit some Shakti stones to the M8, then you will clearly see the
> je ne sais quoi intangible qualities that Leica offers.
> Shakti stones have many more published favourable reviews than the M8
> itself.
> http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm
> The patented Noise Reduction Technology should be exactly and perfectly
> as effective on digital cameras as it is for audio applications.
> Then again, if they work for the M8, they'll also work for the 5d.


That is too funny. When we use to do EMI testing of new products we
always had a big box of ferrites, which is what I am sure that stone
it. Sure it reduces EMI but you can get the same thing for a fraction
the cost at many places. The idea of just placing the ferrite near the
device in question is pretty funny as well. Mostly they don't do a
thing to improve performance, more to keep a device from radiating too
much EMI.

Scott

 
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Barry Pearson
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      11-01-2006
On Nov 1, 8:08 pm, frederick <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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> Have you seen examples comparing lossy with lossless raw format on a
> camera that has both options?
> That I haven't seen any posted on the internet perhaps indicates that
> there's nothing to see? Perhaps I haven't looked hard enough.


Good point. No. I've seen lots of largish prints from people with D70s,
and haven't identified an issue.

Since I started using a digital camera, I've only shot raw. But it
isn't because I have been obsessed with every last bit! It is largely
because it is the simplest and most flexible way for me to take photos.

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frederick
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      11-01-2006
Scott W wrote:
> frederick wrote:
>> Annika1980 wrote:
>>> Kinon O'Cann wrote:
>>>> Reichman's review is up, and if you wish to believe him, Leica has hit a
>>>> home run with this one.
>>>>
>>>> www.luminous-landscape.com
>>> That review makes me want to go out and buy a new camera ... a Canon 5D.
>>>

>> If you fit some Shakti stones to the M8, then you will clearly see the
>> je ne sais quoi intangible qualities that Leica offers.
>> Shakti stones have many more published favourable reviews than the M8
>> itself.
>> http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm
>> The patented Noise Reduction Technology should be exactly and perfectly
>> as effective on digital cameras as it is for audio applications.
>> Then again, if they work for the M8, they'll also work for the 5d.

>
> That is too funny. When we use to do EMI testing of new products we
> always had a big box of ferrites, which is what I am sure that stone
> it. Sure it reduces EMI but you can get the same thing for a fraction
> the cost at many places. The idea of just placing the ferrite near the
> device in question is pretty funny as well. Mostly they don't do a
> thing to improve performance, more to keep a device from radiating too
> much EMI.
>
> Scott
>

Oh you cynic!
Just like the M8, Shakti Stones have reviewers singing their praises.
The Leica M8 and Shakti stones are targeting exactly the same
econo-intellectual demographic. Shakti and Leica should work together.
 
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Scott W
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      11-01-2006
frederick wrote:
> Oh you cynic!
> Just like the M8, Shakti Stones have reviewers singing their praises.
> The Leica M8 and Shakti stones are targeting exactly the same
> econo-intellectual demographic. Shakti and Leica should work together.


I can't argue with that

scott

 
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      11-01-2006

frederick wrote:
> Have you seen examples comparing lossy with lossless raw format on a
> camera that has both options?
> That I haven't seen any posted on the internet perhaps indicates that
> there's nothing to see? Perhaps I haven't looked hard enough.


http://regex.info/blog/photo-tech/nef-compression/

 
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